Female Drivers.

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I'm going to bed soon, but just wanted to say something here real quick before I do. Why has there never been any female drivers(game model thingies) in Gran Turismo? I think that is pretty messed up I mean there are great female drivers in the world so why not include them in GT? I hope that in GT6 PD gets a little smarter and adds female drivers in it.

Does anyone else here agree with this.

And yes this is a serious topic I am not joking, just wanted to clear that up before someone may accuse this of being a joke topic.

The same reason males aren't implemented into dress up/make up style games.
 
PAC_Warrior
GT can do without this typical western PC poison. So no thank you.

They should add the hot booth babes from Tokyo Auto Saloon and the Umbrella babes in the game espically in photo travel mode. Why? Because it is more of an eastern approach in their car shows/race series. Now that would be great! And for The rest of us with hot Import Models!! :D

Good idea or what?

And to our female members, no offence. This was a just an idea I was thinking about at the moment.

But it would be a good idea to have a option for female drivers in the game, but like one of the other posters said earlier it will take another body to design and alter to a typical female form, even as a custom character or avatar for the gamer to make and personalize is a long process and should be added in GT6. So at the meantime let's just use our imagination if someone wants a female driver, just think that your driver is a female.
 
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I only wanted revival because I've had a couple of laughs at this thread and we have it. The word troll is thrown around way to much on forums these days so I don't even bother.
 
Who cares about gender in racing game?

Well I do. So does my girlfriend. This is not a huge issue in my book (there are other things to be implemented first) but it would be nice to see different genders. Not just as drivers but in the crowds. Having a sausage-fest of dudes watching the sidelines of every race with no females or kids is weird. Some kids are VERY into racing...I know I have been as long as I can remember.
 
I truly agree with, there are so many female race car drivers, those have proved themselves as excellent race car drivers from many couple of years. Many examples are available that show that girls are also perfect race car drivers like Danicca Patrick, she is one of the fastest female race car driver of NASCAR.


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Id love an all female half naked pit crew, that would be nice.

but seriously, I think my bob is female. She drives like one. Braking when she needs to be accelerating and too timid to overtake. And sooo moody too.
 
stormbringer
Id love an all female half naked pit crew, that would be nice.

but seriously, I think my bob is female. She drives like one. Braking when she needs to be accelerating and too timid to overtake. And sooo moody too.

I think a bit too much sterotypical sexism there.
 
I think a bit too much sterotypical sexism there.

Nah, I know chicks who've crashed their cars just because of some self induced panic.
Pressing the acc when should've braked. or just taking their hands off the steering when in a tight spot. It ain't sexism, I'm talking out of experience.
 
IceMan PJN
Drivers are almost entirely male. If you list all the world's female drivers, they're still so relatively few as to be just token females. That isn't to say that they can't have an option for a female driver rendered in the game, but the focus on males is obviously due to the fact that virtually all race drivers are male.

There have been just five female Formula One drivers in the entire history of F1. Among them they have collectively started 29 grands prix, with zero poles, zero podiums, zero wins, zero championship wins, and only one of them earned any points at all - Lella Lombardi earned half a point.

I have less precise information regarding female NASCAR drivers (mainly because I just don't follow NASCAR at all), but there can't have been terribly many because I never hear of them. The ones that's in there must be in lower series, at least in general. For example, in the case of the overhyped Danica Patrick ("DP" as I now like to call her), I'm not aware of her yet climbing above the Nationwide series, which is still up there but not the top series. If there's been hundreds of NASCAR drivers over the decades and various series, and a few dozen have been female, that's nothing and little more than a footnote.

Wikipedia seems to list as many as a whopping six female rally drivers; that's not in recent years but altogether. There doesn't seem to have been very many female Indy drivers, either.

But, yes, they're technically in there. Again, I have no problem with having an option to render a GT driver as female. I'm just saying there's a reason they didn't feel the need to bother.

Now, for the really unpleasant part: "great female drivers". All joking aside, when people throw praise at female race drivers, it's generally with a connotation of "she does well for a female". Their performance and praise is generally in regards to them as a female driver specifically, rather than as a driver in general.

If Danica Patrick had instead been Daniel Patrick (male), nobody but the strictest of Indy fans would know who it was. The reporters make a habit of walking back to 27th on the starting grid to interview Danica Patrick, but nobody would give two craps about Daniel Patrick starting 27th on the grid. People don't praise her for being a top driver, but for being a top female driver. Being a top female driver isn't quite the same as being a top driver.

It's always been a friggin' joke whenever people talk about Danica in Formula One because she just isn't F1 material, plain and simple, but I do want to see her in a F1 car in an F1 race so she can fall flat on her pretty face in front of 600 million F1 fans and 200 nations. They'll need special members of the pit crew to run up and wipe the tears from her eyes when she sobs over things being too hard.

Looking over DP's Indy car seasons, she's finished 12th, 9th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 10th, and is presently 11th in 2011 so far. So, her very best season was 5th place, and she's averaged 8.6th so far in IRL. Sure, that's decent, but not normally quite well enough to be "great". That's just "great for a female driver", which again isn't the same.

Let's average the performance of all 2010 female IRL drivers (doing so because it was a completed season, versus what I was originally going to do and use 2011). I'm not going to count drivers who only did one or just a few races, because of course they're going to rank at the bottom. Danica Patrick finished 10th in 2010. Milka Duno finished 23rd. Simona de Silvestro placed 19th. Sarah Fisher was 26th. Between these four they averaged a finish of 19.5th for the 2010 season. That's not terribly good when one considers that many of the 2011 IRL participants only participated in a few individual races and only 24 drivers joined in more than half of the season's events, and only 22 were there for all of them. This means 2010's IRL female drivers averaged in the back. So, while Danica specifically does alright, IRL's female drivers in general don't do so well relative to their male counterparts.

Now, one could try to argue that there's males at the back. That's true, there are, but they're also in the middle and they're also at the front. They don't average at the rear. They average around average rather than averaging toward the back, as common sense would suggest.

Look, I know this isn't going to make me very popular. Hate me if you like. I'm not going to lie to you, though. I just tell it to you straight, whether it's good or bad. The truth is that while some female drivers have enjoyed some degree of success, in general they don't do so hot.

This guy makes a well thought out and valid point about their being no 'great' female racing drivers.I think sabine schmitz is great but there is the problem that I wouldnt be AS impressed with her driving if she were a bloke.
On the other hand, GT5 is a racing game and a female avatar is not a bad idea to get more females playing.
 
stormbringer
Nah, I know chicks who've crashed their cars just because of some self induced panic.
Pressing the acc when should've braked. or just taking their hands off the steering when in a tight spot. It ain't sexism, I'm talking out of experience.

Yeah. It's still sterotypical.
 
I'm female and I don't care the non-gender drivers. Okay, it would be nice if they did, but some reactions and suggestions in this topic are clear for me that when we had female drivers, I think I won't race with them anyway...

There was a time that I race many roulette races in Open Lobby's...someone was asking me what gender I was...so my answer was very short :"Female"..... That day I didn't reached the finish anymore without extremely bashing/banging, because the boys won't be humiliated by girls...

For me is GT5 a very good game..."The cheapest way to do something with motorsports", it isn't gaming for me anymore.

I read some names... Sabine Schmitz, VBH, Danica Patrick... my female idol in motorsports is Sandra van der Sloot and she raced the 24H of Dubai this year with 4 other women with a cool project: The Racing Diva's. Here you will read an article/compliment from 24HDubai.com
 
^ if your being given too much hassle, mute them. There are lots of great female racing drivers, and even one who was in f1 when fangio was around. He said she drives very fast.
 
To add to the discussion its most likely that Mr Kaz and the PD crew don't know what lady folk are I mean how many women are going to wait 5 years while you develop a racing game :sly:
 
To add to the discussion its most likely that Mr Kaz and the PD crew don't know what lady folk are I mean how many women are going to wait 5 years while you develop a racing game :sly:

What?

Are you saying women are far smarter than us and would have moved on to something else while we googled "GT5 release date" for five years?

I don't understand what you've added to the conversation.

Here's how you add to the conversation:

Kaz is a multi-millionaire with two Ford GTs. I'm more than sure he fully understands "lady folk", and the ladies know him.
 
Or did he mean: The developers haven't seen females for 5 years long..so they don't know how to model a female body :D
 
Or did he mean: The developers haven't seen females for 5 years long..so they don't know how to model a female body :D

Nice, I see.
They've worked 20 hours a day and have been sleeping under their desks resulting in missed dates and divorces. I didn't really think of it that way.

Back on topic, I met Danika Patrick at Indianapolis a few years back during their test runs leading up to the Indy 500. She is extremely nice, but did seem a bit overwhelmed and tired.
I know drivers are typically smaller in size, but wow is she short. I'm 6'2", and felt like an absolute monster standing there while she wrote some chicken scratch on a flyer for me. A very attractive and talented woman nonetheless.
 
Again: It is a generic figure.

A woman would need pretty gigantic boobs for them to be clearly visible in a racing suit. Modelling that would make women more angry than not having seperate female models in the game.
As far as poses go: My wife uses the one where you see the driver from the back with HER head turned. Maybe we need another pose like this:

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And then everybody will be happy.
 
Drivers are almost entirely male. If you list all the world's female drivers, they're still so relatively few as to be just token females. That isn't to say that they can't have an option for a female driver rendered in the game, but the focus on males is obviously due to the fact that virtually all race drivers are male.

There have been just five female Formula One drivers in the entire history of F1. Among them they have collectively started 29 grands prix, with zero poles, zero podiums, zero wins, zero championship wins, and only one of them earned any points at all - Lella Lombardi earned half a point.

I have less precise information regarding female NASCAR drivers (mainly because I just don't follow NASCAR at all), but there can't have been terribly many because I never hear of them. The ones that's in there must be in lower series, at least in general. For example, in the case of the overhyped Danica Patrick ("DP" as I now like to call her), I'm not aware of her yet climbing above the Nationwide series, which is still up there but not the top series. If there's been hundreds of NASCAR drivers over the decades and various series, and a few dozen have been female, that's nothing and little more than a footnote.

Wikipedia seems to list as many as a whopping six female rally drivers; that's not in recent years but altogether. There doesn't seem to have been very many female Indy drivers, either.

But, yes, they're technically in there. Again, I have no problem with having an option to render a GT driver as female. I'm just saying there's a reason they didn't feel the need to bother.

Now, for the really unpleasant part: "great female drivers". All joking aside, when people throw praise at female race drivers, it's generally with a connotation of "she does well for a female". Their performance and praise is generally in regards to them as a female driver specifically, rather than as a driver in general.

If Danica Patrick had instead been Daniel Patrick (male), nobody but the strictest of Indy fans would know who it was. The reporters make a habit of walking back to 27th on the starting grid to interview Danica Patrick, but nobody would give two craps about Daniel Patrick starting 27th on the grid. People don't praise her for being a top driver, but for being a top female driver. Being a top female driver isn't quite the same as being a top driver.

It's always been a friggin' joke whenever people talk about Danica in Formula One because she just isn't F1 material, plain and simple, but I do want to see her in a F1 car in an F1 race so she can fall flat on her pretty face in front of 600 million F1 fans and 200 nations. They'll need special members of the pit crew to run up and wipe the tears from her eyes when she sobs over things being too hard.

Looking over DP's Indy car seasons, she's finished 12th, 9th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 10th, and is presently 11th in 2011 so far. So, her very best season was 5th place, and she's averaged 8.6th so far in IRL. Sure, that's decent, but not normally quite well enough to be "great". That's just "great for a female driver", which again isn't the same.

Let's average the performance of all 2010 female IRL drivers (doing so because it was a completed season, versus what I was originally going to do and use 2011). I'm not going to count drivers who only did one or just a few races, because of course they're going to rank at the bottom. Danica Patrick finished 10th in 2010. Milka Duno finished 23rd. Simona de Silvestro placed 19th. Sarah Fisher was 26th. Between these four they averaged a finish of 19.5th for the 2010 season. That's not terribly good when one considers that many of the 2011 IRL participants only participated in a few individual races and only 24 drivers joined in more than half of the season's events, and only 22 were there for all of them. This means 2010's IRL female drivers averaged in the back. So, while Danica specifically does alright, IRL's female drivers in general don't do so well relative to their male counterparts.

Now, one could try to argue that there's males at the back. That's true, there are, but they're also in the middle and they're also at the front. They don't average at the rear. They average around average rather than averaging toward the back, as common sense would suggest.

Look, I know this isn't going to make me very popular. Hate me if you like. I'm not going to lie to you, though. I just tell it to you straight, whether it's good or bad. The truth is that while some female drivers have enjoyed some degree of success, in general they don't do so hot.

I just read this after some dude above me quoted it. I think youve hit bullseye.

You know, considering women weigh alot less than men, they would make ideal candidates for highspeed racing. Sadly, i think its the delicate nature of women that prevents them from being competitive.

Ofcourse there are exceptions. But very very rare.

Women, i believe, are born artists. Just because of their emotional qualities. High stress physical sports is not something their bodies are made for.
 
Women are born to do whatever they want, aswell as men are. Just because women don't take up motorsport that often doesn't mean they're not capable. Just look at Michèle Mouton, who almost won the world rally championship in 1982, yes that's the group B era.
 
There's tons of women in motorsports, from drivers, to fans, to the scantily clad ones that are there to boost morale!
In fact, that's what GT needs, scantily clad models to present the A-spec championship trophies to us :) and instead of the option to get your A-spec driver to pose with your car in photomode, you can have a bikini model!!
I hope that's in 2.04 :dopey:
 
Irony that women are generally better pilots of aircraft than men.

The problem is that racing is dangerous, pushing your car too much could result in an accident, or worse. Men have an easier time ignoring the danger associated with pushing a one ton slab of metal inches away from guard rails at 340kph. I think it has to do with hormones.
 
Without wanting to sound rude but honestly if you check the female racers, you dont really notice they are women when they are in full suit.

Here's a picture of Simona De Silvestro, our swiss Cart driver, if you dont know, it's not obvious that she's a women under the helmet :

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This one from Vicki Butler Hendersson neither :

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So yeah dont jump on conclusion :D
 
OK8
Women are born to do whatever they want, aswell as men are. Just because women don't take up motorsport that often doesn't mean they're not capable. Just look at Michèle Mouton, who almost won the world rally championship in 1982, yes that's the group B era.

They can do whatever they want, but factually, on average, a woman's physiology can only keep up with men to a certain point. That person you mentioned is of course the exception, just like with everything else.
 
Without wanting to sound rude but honestly if you check the female racers, you dont really notice they are women when they are in full suit.

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Nicely chosen pictures. In others, it is as plain as the sun in the sky that Simona is a woman while in her suit, same goes for most women. Someone else tried proving the same point with a picture that clearly showed the opposite of what they said.

It's irrelevant anyway. There's really no sensible reason for there not to be a female version of the drivers for those who want them. Sure some people are perverts, should we take chat out of the game too, as that causes a lot more trouble? The fact that there hasn't been a female WDC or NASCAR champ is just as irrelevant. There are many women racers at nearly all levels of the sport, and more all the time. There are many female fans as well.

It's not at all important, but it's not as if it would take much time to tweak a second almost identical driver model either.
 

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