- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Thank you for the feedback on the tune. Glade you enjoyed the drive and had fun with it too, just odd that you said it was a drifter seems to be a commonality between the testers I wonder what I did to make it so drift friendly.**I’m not a negative person, so if there is any criticism of a tune; it’s not meant to be an insult, and if my time is slower than what you have, then that’s fair enough. These are non bias opinions based on how I drive and should be taken with a grain of salt! I respect and appreciate the time the tuners have put into their tunes and I will try everything I can to get the most out of the tune itself.**
FITT Mustang Challenge by MCH
Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07
Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13
Ford Shelby GT500 '13
Track(s):
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow
Please Read
Most cars that I found to be fast were on the loose side and required you to be "on it" turn after turn. Just my opinion, but at a track like Willow Springs, one small oops can cost you. I liked the cars that weren't necessarily the quickest, but I felt confident and consistent in, hence why some fast times might have lower DC scores. I'm betting those scores would be higher on other tracks.
Each tuner was drawn at random, but put in the order as listed to help Hami with the spreadsheet. I ran each car for 2 sets of 5 laps.
Driving Options
Driving Line: OFF
Blind Spot Indicator: OFF
Active Steering: OFF
Traction Control: 0
Active Stability Management (ASM): OFF
Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS): 1
Skid Recovery Force (SRF): OFF
Controller Sensitivity: 5
DS3 (dpads)
"X" throttle
Square brake
Automatic Transmission
Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07
@DaBomm4
Time: 1:19.753
DC Score: 6.5
Review: When I wasn't fighting the front understeer, the rear end would kick out on me and vice versa. I won't lie, this was a very tough car to drive and I left everything out on the track with it. I think you did what had to be done in order to make this car competitive against the other Mustangs. Even though it was an underdog at the start, and a handful, your tune did manage to knock off over a second than stock. I wish we had another '07 to compare it to. Sorry mate.
Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13
@787bcgr
Time: 1:17.385
DC Score: 8.5
Review: Solid tune, nothing that stood out as being a problem. Can get a little tail happy on accel, but steady on the throttle and you can keep most of that in check. I like it!
@Bowtie-muscle
Time: 1:17.577
DC Score: 8.0
Review: Stable tune and felt comfortable in the car. Slight understeer from mid to exit it nothing major. Gearing took me a few laps to get used to. Nice job!
@DolHaus
Time: 1:17.312
DC Score: 7.5
Review: I ran more laps in this car than any other because I couldn't get the feel for it. It felt stiff throughout most of the track. Rear grip was decent, but if the back end did step out, it would snap itself back in line, catching me out (over correcting) Every turn needed full concentration because it wasn't predictable to me. So much precision is needed for this car. In short...this car would be faster with someone better at the wheel.
@gtmetacrisis
Time: 1:17.403
DC Score: 9.5
Review: The rear kept in line, but maybe a click or two over the sweet spot because it picked up some understeer from mid to exit. Other than that, this is a great car, very well done!
@ImToLegitToQuit
Time: 1:16.884
DC Score: 7.5
Review: Turn in was pretty solid. The brakes were decent, if you found your rhythm between the 2; corner entry was a breeze. The only thing that killed the stability was the rest of the turn. The rear end seemed very edgy. Give it too much throttle, you're in the kitty litter, too much steering input....in the kitty litter. Just never really knew what back end was doing, and I don't think it did either...except for it just wanted to go! Fast car though!👍
@krenkme
Time: 1:17.962
DC Score: 9.0
Review: A krenkme car that didn't kill me, gets a point...a krenkme car that was just brilliant to drive, another point. This is a great car, the max downforce made this tune very easy to drive, you can brake later into the turn and it helped keep the rear in check. But with that spoiler comes lack of speed and that tight condition on mid corner. I can deal with the mid corner being snug, but the lack of speed is what stops this from being perfect. I still would gladly take this car as is and race others in it. The best car of yours that I have driven! Break out the cake!
@xande1959
Time: 1:18.196
DC Score: 8.0
Review: This car had tons of rear grip. I loved the confidence, being able to put the hammer down anywhere and the rear end wouldn't step out. But the understeer that came with it was frustrating. Once you get used to it(ie change your driving line to more of a 4WD), you can put down some good times, but until then you will find yourself "diamond-ing" the long sweepers. A little bit of love from the e-brake will help stop you from carrying your line into the sand.
Ford Shelby GT500 '13
@Badger66
Time: 1:17.476
DC Score: 9.0
Review: Had a hint of understeer throughout the turn on the sweepers. But a car that that doesn't throw you around the track with some decent speed. Very comfortable and good job!
@brian wolf
Time: 1:17.015
DC Score: 8.0
Review: This car is all about being precise. Needs more TLC with the throttle and steering input than I can give it using dpads and a button. The speed and agility is there. I tried to push for a sub 17, but would end up at the beach. Weird transmission setup, but well done.
@Lewis_Hamilton_
Time: 1:16.719
DC Score: 10.0
Review: Holy 🤬 What a car! Yes it can get squirrely loose on low speed corners, (which you can easily control the slide) and yes it lights up the outside front on the sweepers, (but it would still rotate) but you know what? I didn't care! I had a smile the entire time I was driving it, I wanted the laps to keep going. The strangest thing was knowing full well that I was the limit of what this car can do...you can actually hear the car saying "C'mon, you can do better than that!" It was me as the driver who left tenths of a second all over the track.
@Otaliema
Time: 1:17.326
DC Score: 8.0
Review: Do you have some sort of discrimination against tires? Fast tune, but you had better hold on! The rear will slide, but the crazy thing is that it can become predictable and managed after a few laps. Just be sure that there are less than 3 laps to a race because the Goody's won't last. I did feel like a drift king (I am usually the kings' jester when it comes to drifting) on the last turn which was a huge help in dropping the lap time.
@shaunm80
Time: 1:17.764
DC Score: 9.0
Review: This is a good tune. It was very stable and incredibly easy to drive. You would be expecting the rear to step out on you, but it stays fairly planted. A little more mid corner rotation would be a bonus. Nice job!
@sinof1337
Time: 1:19.390
DC Score: 7.0
Review: Pretty neutral. Had some pesky understeer, not much but it was enough to slow you down and be mindful of your exit. Not sure why this tune was slow for me. The only thing different about this tune (that is noticeable) was that it was the only Shelby above 90.0% power limiter.
Thank you for the review glad you had a blast with it, As I said above I am wondering what I did to make it so driftable at least it's controllable. Drive it more! Get the edge of control habit ingrainedFITT: Ford Mustang Challenge Reviews
My review and impressions, in general I liked most of the tunes for this challenge but not all. Some gave me a challenge just to drive and some surprised me with how they got me to drive. I have never claimed to be the best tuner (not by a long shot) or the best driver, so if I did not match your best lap please know that I gave each tune the best I could to get the most out of it. All tunes were given a minimum of 12 laps and a max of 15, more laps were for driver error or the thinking that I was real close to a better time.
Tunes tested in random order by model: Mustang Gt, Shelby GT500 and finally the Boss 302 with my own tune being last for fairness (that way I would be furthest away from my tune).
DC was extremely difficult for me in this challenge as some of the fast cars I struggled with and some of the slower ones I really liked. I took into consideration the following: Best lap time, enjoyment, and how long it took to learn and reach the best lap. If there are any questions about DC, please ask.
@Motor City Hami I apologize for some of these DC scores but it is the only way I felt that was fair and represented my true impressions.
Mustang GT
@DaBomm4:
Lap time - 1:19.784 - DC - 7.5
Leading up to the deadline, I had tuned each of the three cars but spent the least amount of time on this one as I felt it was the slowest AND hardest to improve. The night before I began testing I took my GT for 8 laps to prepare and set a base time, your tune did manage to beat it. There is the ever present understeer that you managed quite well but lose of rear grip on accel through turns 3,4 and 5. Overall a really nice job here and I applaud the effort of being the only one brave enough to try this one. DC was given a bonus for that.👍
Boss 302
@787bcgr :
Lap time - 1:16.934 (2nd fastest!) - DC - 9.5
Good solid tune although I never touched 6th gear, did not matter. It could get loose on throttle in turns 3,4 and 5 but so did many others (most). Nothing more to add but very well done, I really enjoyed it and the speed surprised me.
Bowtie-muscle
Lap time - 1.:17.234 - DC - 9.2
Will not say much about my own tune other than I think it is one of the 3 best I have submitted for FITT challenges, and like the other 2, will not win. A touch more understeer thru the sweepers than I remembered and I did not match my best time during testing. I do believe it is one of the easiest to drive and be consistent with but I will let others be the judge of that.
@DolHaus :
Lap time - 1:17.547 - DC - 8.0
I really struggled with this tune making it fast, it had good rotation and the rear only loose in the usual place. I did find that it would push wide if I gave it too much throttle in turn 2 which made throttle control that much more important. A good tune non the less.
@gtmetacrisis :
Lap time - 1:17.456 - DC - 9.0
Just a really good solid tune right here. Maybe, just a tick on the snug side in turns 3 and 5, when I got those two turns correct, the time dropped. Very impressive for your first time out.
@ImToLegitToQuit :
Lap time - 1:17.059 (3rd fastest) - DC 8.5
NO room for error on this tune at all, had to hit my marks or I was off to the litter and I spent many laps off track. Very hard to adjust and get the line right especially the hill section which was always an adventure. However, when I did manage to get it right, what a lap and I am sure there is more to be had. If the rear was more stable and the curbs did not upset this one so much, it would have been a true blast. Unfortunately, the last lap I ran was the fastest, otherwise your time would have been 6 tenths slower. Not a 9.0 tune, was thinking an 8.0 but I cannot ignore the final lap time.
@krenkme :
Lap time - 1:17.587 - DC - 8.5
If this is your dark side, than I like it, a lot. Great grip and rotation, good entry and very good all around tune. One issue, the final gear was too short hurting lap times. More gear and you would have a special ride here. Well done.
@xande1959 :
Lap time - 1:18.212 - DC 7.5
I am sorry my friend but I struggled to get more out of this one and it took me a while to figure out why. Too much rear grip causing understeer on entry and slowing rotation, also when braking the nose would dive and cause the front end to push wide. Not a bad tune at all, just not fast enough.
Shelby GT500
@Badger66 :
Lap time - 1:18.012 - DC - 8.0
Outrageously smooth and easy to drive, I loved it. The hill section was tricky on exit with some oversteer but otherwise a really good entry. You have obviously spent enough time over at Exeter Gt to learn a thing or two and your tune was very much like shaun's feel wise. He did beat you but only by an eyelash. Congrats
@brian wolf :
Lap time - 1:17.963 - DC - 8.0
First thought: 3 speed? First impression: (turn 1) Holy lift off oversteer Batman! This was a prelude to some of the other wild rear end tunes, but yours was the easiest to learn and adjust to. Did spent some time off track (rubber mallot in the backseat is to pound the dents out of the roof) but turn 5 was always the best with your tune. Turn 8 (last turn) however, was always interesting. This car loves to rotate and can be really fast when you get it right, not sure I got all out of this one, might be another 3 or 4 tenths still out there, sorry.
3speed trans was a stroke of brilliance and did not hurt this tune at all.
@Lewis_Hamilton_ :
Lap time - 1:17.440 - DC - 7.9
Total handful for me, the rear just would not cooperate and I struggled with this tune more than any other. Entry and braking caused the rear to jump and not always able to save, spent more laps in the litter than any other. When I did get it right tho, if I ever did that is, it was very rewarding and I was looking for someone to high-five. Much like Legit's tune, the last 2 laps were unfortunately the fastest. Not quite an 8.0 for me but too good for a 7.5 so it got a 7.9 due to the speed it gave and is capable of. Just not in my hands unfortunately.
@Otaliema :
Lap time - 1:16.789 (Fastest!) - DC - 9.5
That medication must do wonders but it clouds your brain, did I not tell you more than once that i cannot drift???? Well, not until I drove this one that is. This one likes to be sideways, not sure it is happy going straight. Always smoking the tires and leaving skidmarks, lucky for you tire wear is off. Amazingly it had only a few trips off track and most due to driver trying to get the most out of it. Unbelievable rotation if you can hold it, right on the edge of losing it. Excellent tune, and like DolHaus's GTO, managed to change my driving style, if only for a short time.
@shaunm80 :
Lap time - 1:17.943 - DC - 8.0
What I have come to expect from you, no disappointment here. Good, solid, easy to drive with just a touch of understeer caused by car/track combo. Only where others had it as well but without the oversteer on exit. Only issue was 6th gear maybe a tick too long? Well done.
@sinof1337 :
lap time - 1.19.026 - DC - 7.7
I really like this tune, great grip and smooth with a touch of oversteer on exit. Throttle control helped as did adjusting my line. This had the most weight and most power but I think the problem here was the final gear. At the start finish line I was blinking in 6th and looking for another gear. Felt as though the time should have been much better and I was stunned at the lap times. I really hope another tester gets more from this tune. Good job.
@Motor City Hami :
Boss 302 R
Lap time - 1:17.082 - DC - 9.3
Since you had already built this one and did not enter, I decided to see how it would perform compared to the rest of ours. No oil change meant I added intake tuning and adjusted power limiter from 96.8 to 95.7. This tune was not built for this track and could get really squirrelly on entry but would not have been the worst. Just a hint of understeer in some turns but not bad, I only ran 5 laps with it. The first was to learn the tune and warm up to it, the second lap the rear jumped out on turn 6. Laps 3 and 4 were the best with lap 3 being a 1:17.220 (which would have been 4th best), shaved a little off on lap 4. the final lap was egual to the ghost but I lost it on the final turn.
Conclusion; very thankful you DID NOT enter or finish this with a few adjustments or you could have smoked the field. That is why you are still the man to beat.
Thank you Hami for putting this challenge together and for allowing me to partake.
Thank you to all the tuners for great and enjoyable tunes.
Thank you very much for the wonderful and in depth feedback and tuning tips I'll definitely give them a shot and see how the car turns out.
