Ford Mustang Thread: 2011 General Talk

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The Crown Victoria is only sold to fleets and municipalities now I believe. The last of the panther cars we'll be able to buy are starting to fade away...
 
seckcimike
225 grand? im sure if you buy a stock one, and build it to those exact specs, it wouldnt cost that much lol...........I think spending 225k on a mustang is a bad investment alone, idc if its racing or not.
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It isn't for Matech who have been winning a lot of races with their FR500GT3's.
 
Toronado
But Ford has had that engine for 10 years. The 3650 crimes against humanity.
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The existence of EcoBoost and the application of it in a neuvo-SHO makes up for all previous ills in my book. That, and they're actually giving us the Fiesta.

Most, if not all, of my previous issues with Ford have been removed.
 
You mean not giving us the new one?

I'm willing to forgive it, because honestly, its still a somewhat decent car. I'd rather have a neuvo-Focus than a Civic or Corolla (shows how insane I am), my only complaint is that they discontinued use of the MZR under the hood. Absolute fail...
 
Impressive numbers, surely making it an extremely reasonable option to the 370Z, but with those added bonuses comes a pretty major increase in price. If my calculations are correct, a GT with the "Track Pack" is going to run $30K... Right where the SS and the R/T kick in at. To me, the GT should be the "value-priced" option of the three, and running $3000 over the previous GT price of about $27K (nicely equipped)... Its a a small stumble.
 
This is true, but I have no idea what the performance figures, much less the price, will look like.

I actually got a phone call from my Dad today about the Camaro, he just heard about the 540 BHP Cobra and he wanted to know if they're doing something better than the SS (he wants a Camaro with the LS7), but obviously, they haven't told us anything. Sounds like the $32K SS is right up his alley, but he hasn't gotten a call from Berger yet on his wait-list spot.

...Still, the fact that I can get a V6 Camaro RS for about the $25-27K price range, I'd call that a decent alternative to the Mustang despite the 100 lb weight difference and the loss of 10 BHP overall.

The Hyundai will be an interesting alternative, but as long as I have the bowtie option, I don't think it will be as high on my list. But, then again, the thought of a turbo model is a pretty good one, especially if I'm looking at the mid $20K range.
 
Is it just me or are these new wheels fan-bloody-tastic?

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I also like the new interior touches as well. Looks like a good one, imagine how well this would do with an even better suspension? *cough*Roush
 
YSSMAN
This is true, but I have no idea what the performance figures, much less the price, will look like.

I actually got a phone call from my Dad today about the Camaro, he just heard about the 540 BHP Cobra and he wanted to know if they're doing something better than the SS (he wants a Camaro with the LS7), but obviously, they haven't told us anything. Sounds like the $32K SS is right up his alley, but he hasn't gotten a call from Berger yet on his wait-list spot.

...Still, the fact that I can get a V6 Camaro RS for about the $25-27K price range, I'd call that a decent alternative to the Mustang despite the 100 lb weight difference and the loss of 10 BHP overall.

The Hyundai will be an interesting alternative, but as long as I have the bowtie option, I don't think it will be as high on my list. But, then again, the thought of a turbo model is a pretty good one, especially if I'm looking at the mid $20K range.
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Pricing for the GenCoupe will be released on the 11th. Performance is looking damn good on paper, though.

It's going to be real interesting between the Camaro, Mustang, GenCoupe, 350z, and G37. Too bad the 'Stang doesn't have IRS.
 
Just wait, an IRS will be coming from Roush. I almost bet they are working on one right now if not testing it. Alot of people are screaming for it. My Ford dealer has people asking for one as an option. The word is getting around...
 
The Gen Coupe will give this a run for its money, that is for sure. More so with the LSD and fancy brake kit options. Hyundai is setting the Gen Coupe be everything from fun coupe to serious sports car.

If IRS becomes more available though, will help the Mustang out a lot. Still, they are cheap for quite a bit of power and the lack of IRS is only problematic on rougher surfaces.
 
YSSMAN
Impressive numbers, surely making it an extremely reasonable option to the 370Z, but with those added bonuses comes a pretty major increase in price. If my calculations are correct, a GT with the "Track Pack" is going to run $30K... Right where the SS and the R/T kick in at. To me, the GT should be the "value-priced" option of the three, and running $3000 over the previous GT price of about $27K (nicely equipped)... Its a a small stumble.
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All three of those cars have dissapointed me. I had high hopes for the camaro, but after seeing it recently at the Houston I lost interest. It comes across as a cheap vehicle, especially the v6, despite the power it produces. The Challenger just way too big and cheap, and the mustang's make over is hideous! I wouldnt trade my gto in for any of them. I hate to say it, but the cars from Hyundai, Nissan and Infiniti are looking like pretty good buys compared to these.
 
JCE
Just wait, an IRS will be coming from Roush. I almost bet they are working on one right now if not testing it. Alot of people are screaming for it. My Ford dealer has people asking for one as an option. The word is getting around...
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It probably won't perform any better and it'll be much more expensive. I don't think Roush will even try it. The chassis was not designed for it. It will not work the way an independent rear suspension is supposed to. The supercharged SVT Cobra was afflicted with wheel hop problems that hampered its drag strip performance--problems that the 350Z especially and just about every other competitor doesn't have to deal with. They were designed as a whole, not retrofitted. Retrofitting parts never works as well as designing them as a whole.

The cost to benefit just doesn't make enough sense. The car can already perform wonderfully--why spend more money for marginal increases at best? I say wait until the next full chassis redesign.
 
Keef
The chassis was not designed for it.
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The chassis underpinning the current Mustang is a simplified version of what was in the Lincoln LS.

Keef
The supercharged SVT Cobra was afflicted with wheel hop problems that hampered its drag strip performance
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And was still faster than the GT500 was.

Keef
Retrofitting parts never works as well as designing them as a whole.
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The SVT Cobra was retrofitted with IRS (chassis being 20 years old and all), and it was a better handling car because of it (compared to the prior SVT Cobra).

Keef
The car can already perform wonderfully--why spend more money for marginal increases at best? I say wait until the next full chassis redesign.
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That being said, I agree with this bit anyways.
 
^ What they don't tell you is that the GT500 has a higher trap speed and apparently is having more issues out of the hole.

Quickest '03 Cobra time I know of is a 12.43 @ 113, versus a 12.25 @ 115 for the GT500.

The GT500 loses a good bit on launch after just a little snooping around at MM&FF, but doubtless that's due to tires that are not much wider (285s vs 275s on the old car), much more power, and greater nose weight of the GT500.
 
Keef
The cost to benefit just doesn't make enough sense. The car can already perform wonderfully--why spend more money for marginal increases at best? I say wait until the next full chassis redesign.
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Exactly, the numbers being posted by the standard GT are just phenomenal for the price. Knowing that the Camaro and Challenger were coming, it looks like Ford did its homework, and it is paying off. I keep wondering what kind of effect it will have on the GT500, as otherwise, the GT is about where that was in terms of grip.
 
super cirrus
And yet, its still faster at the drag strip than the LRA GT500:

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Good video, was definately good to hear some supercharger whine with some V8 growls. I still think the '03-04 Cobra is a much better animal than the GT500 will ever be. Like they said, I'll take TWO Cobras for the price of one GT500. :D
 
The only thing they need to add to that lineup is a 2.0L EcoBoost I4 at the bottom, bringing prices down, and keeping the power output high. Something around 260-275 BHP would be perfect, especially if they offered the Track Pack suspension from the GT.
 
I still think the V8 will still be the preferred choice of most hi-po Mustang buyers. But, there will be the people who just want to be different and go against the grain, like myself. I'm very eager to see what tuners can do with that EcoBoost engine. It might not sound all that great, but damn I bet it'll scoot.
 
Doesn't the Mustang currently use the 4.0L V6? And that motor only puts down 210 hp, so the EcoBoost four would probably be a better option than that in the future. Unless they can keep the EcoBoost to around 250-270 hp, and they crank the V6 up a little over 300 hp.

Also, does anybody foresee a problem if they offer the EcoBoost V6 at 365 hp, a 5.0L GT with 385 hp and something with potentially 400 hp? You don't need three engines within 40 hp of each other.

Which makes me wonder if Ford will put the EcoBoost six in the Mustang at all. The Mustang GT is awesome because it has V8 power, and I think replacing that with a turbo 6 or putting the V6TT above the V8 GT would hurt its credentials in that respect.

Toronado
It almost makes you wonder what the point of the GT500 is.
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The GT500 is putting down 540 hp (I believe) for 2010, so that car is still a fair bit above the others in terms of performance. It'll still be a more special Mustang that is quite a bit more capable than the rest.
 

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