Ford Mustang Thread: 2011 General Talk

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JCE
Care to divulge your "inside sources"? I don't trust a rumor mill web site/forum (in this case that Mustang forum). Unless this source is a Ford engineer or works for the corporate office I highly doubt anyone really know what's coming and how much of it is indeed coming.
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Look into this thread, page 10 and forward it starts getting good, page 12 and up you're getting GREAT info. Main sources are Boomer, and "goesfast"

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=481245&page=10
YSSMAN
God, I hope so. I mean, five-speed slushboxes are genuinely adequate, but for the manual gearbox... It just makes sense. Put in the outrageously tall sixth gear and run similar ratios to the current box, dodge that "Gas Guzzler" tax. Pretty much, it just makes sense. Especially in the light of more powerful engines coming on board.

Now, Ford has to address one other issue:

Please, please, please offer a legitimately awesome green color on the car. The lime/vomit green is not cool. No, it doesn't have to be Bullitt-edition Highland Green. But please, c'mon, offer a better color. The car deserves it.
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There is no guzzler tax on a GT :sly:
 
I'm betting that there will be on the 400 BHP Coyote version next year, as the bump in displacement and power should increase the fuel consumption a fair bit. Of course, its a guess, but it makes sense.
 
But the engine is also going to be a 4v DOHC motor with a 6 speed, as opposed to the current 3v SOHC motor with 5 speed. 4v is more efficient, DOHC > SOHC, 6 speed > 5 speed. So at the very least we shouldn't see a drop in MPGs
 
YSSMAN
I'm betting that there will be on the 400 BHP Coyote version next year, as the bump in displacement and power should increase the fuel consumption a fair bit. Of course, its a guess, but it makes sense.
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Eh I doubt it.

For one, even though it's a bigger motor, the change to a T56 will fix the highway fuel economy and the theoretically better low-end torque will make it do better in the city loop.

Also, I know why they're going to a 6-speed now and it has nothing to do with the 5 speed not being enough gears; rather it's because the 3650 they use right now is already near its limit for power holding. Breaking stock transmissions in unmodified cars is bad for business, so coughing up a few hundred bucks more per car is nothing really. Considering they'd see probably about a 30-40% failure rate.
 
I could see myself buying this new 3.7l mustang in the future. Will it start at under $20,000 like the older cars?
 
YSSMAN
I'm betting that there will be on the 400 BHP Coyote version next year, as the bump in displacement and power should increase the fuel consumption a fair bit. Of course, its a guess, but it makes sense.
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Maybe, maybe not. If the engine's efficiency is good enough then at puttering around throttle inputs the fuel efficiency should get better. (Let's not forget the weight reduction offered by the alloy block).
 
Chances are right at 20k, perhaps slightly higher.

Actually now that I think about it... That would put Mustang looks and performance at four-cylinder Fusion pricing which means either the price on the Mustang is going to go up or the Fusion is going to get cheaper.
 
From what I've read the '11 V6 will start at 21k. I hope that's just a preliminary (too high) figure though
 
The V6 at $19,000-21,000 is going to be a cracking good deal. I might of found my new daily driver. I can wait if necessary. :D
 
Transmissions are still up in the air, but the part numbers aren't carryover, so speculation points to 6 speeds.

As Per Ford Parts Division Info.

Listed as Specific 2011 Mustang Powertrains. I have Part Numbers and All Specific Engine Component part Numbers. Most are Mustang Specific Part Numbers. They are Different Components than Listed for Milan Zepher Etc.

3.7 Litre V6 4v Auto & Standard Trans Listings

5.0 L 4V Standard & Auto Trans Listings.

5.4L 4V Supercharged Listing.

I am Surprized the 5.4 is still Listed. I was Expecting a 5.0L Twin Turbo. Perhaps 2012. I will Dig for More Specifics and Update.

Enjoy,

KC
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More info: http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=482275


EDIT: There are now (2) confirmed 6 speed autos. For V6 and GT I'd imagine

EDIT2: On Autoblog http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/18/return-of-the-5-0-part-deux-5-0-badge-returning-on-2011-mustang/
 
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How long before 2005-2010 Mustang GT owners swap out to the new 5.0L? :lol:

Might save me money getting a preowned 2005 GT then just swapping out the engine/transmission. :D
 
There's nothing stopping you from doing that and swapping in a 5.0 and trans from the FRPP catalog
 
Secretly I want an 05-09 Mustang GT almost as bad as I want a SL500. But at least in my case the Mustang GT is more affordable all around and is within reach sooner.
 
JCE
The V6 at $19,000-21,000 is going to be a cracking good deal. I might of found my new daily driver. I can wait if necessary. :D
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Lucky Americans, have local, affordable, attractive, well performing, 2 door sports cars. I'd kill for a reborn mid-size 2 door V6 Torana.:(
 
JCE
But you have the Monaro, Falcon and the Utes! I still wouldn't trade. :D
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The Monaro hasn't been on sale for some 3 years now, and wasn't exactly cheapish.:( The Utes are awesome, but let's face it, they may be as good as the sedans now, they're still not 2 door sports cars the grade of Mustangs and such.
 
YSSMAN
Although GM nixed their plans to produce RHD variants of the Camaro, Performax will be doing commissioned conversions in Australia starting this month.

Not exactly cheap, but it counts, right?



Otherwise, we're waiting on that damn Toyobaru.
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It counts, but yeah, still very expensive. Why are you waiting for the Toyobaru? Wouldn't that be a competitor to the Genesis Coupe and not really these bigger V6 and V8 powered GT cars?
 
I'd be waiting for the Toyobaru mainly because its the successor to the car I already have, and that it is supposed to be cheap - crazy cheap - like, less than $20K to start, cheap, here in North America.

Otherwise, it fits in the segment just fine. Although it would be a better competitor for the Genesis 2.0T, by price (and the like), it would line up just fine with a V6 Mustang and Camaro.
 
The 3.7L Mustang, Genesis 2.0T and Toyobaru is going to be an awesome battle for the 20K RWD coupe market. I cant wait :drool:
 
I would love to see Toyboy look like those renders and speculated drawings, because they're almost all beautiful.
 
YSSMAN
I'd be waiting for the Toyobaru mainly because its the successor to the car I already have, and that it is supposed to be cheap - crazy cheap - like, less than $20K to start, cheap, here in North America.

Otherwise, it fits in the segment just fine. Although it would be a better competitor for the Genesis 2.0T, by price (and the like), it would line up just fine with a V6 Mustang and Camaro.
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Would you really take a Toyota over a Camaro or Mustang or Gen Coupe? No you wouldn't. :sly:👍
 
No, I wouldn't. But, the price is compelling if they keep it that low. Although I think they're sticking us with a 2.5L Boxer as standard fare. I don't like that.

I still have my fingers crossed for a 2.0T Camaro, but it doesn't look like it will happen.
 
Even though I really didn't want an I4 in the Camaro maybe it does need one since it is likely that the EcoBoost I4 will make an appearance in the 2011 Mustang.
 
I think the Camaro body is too big and heavy for an L4, but to quote GM Holden chairman Mark Reuss "You'd be surprised how much weight we can save on the current Commodore". I'd say the same is for the Camaro, I hope they realise it a necessity to go forwards with the Camaro.
 
If they use an I4 the weight might not be that much of an issue since its a phyiscally smaller engine.
 
JCE
If they use an I4 the weight might not be that much of an issue since its a phyiscally smaller engine.
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That is true, the weight would drop, wouldn't it still weigh like 1600kg min. though? Pretty heavy for a 4cyl to cart around.
 
YSSMAN
I'd be waiting for the Toyobaru mainly because its the successor to the car I already have, and that it is supposed to be cheap - crazy cheap - like, less than $20K to start, cheap, here in North America.
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When that Toyobaru comes out, Honda is going to be wondering where are the Honda Civic enthusiast. :lol: I hope Nissan won't ignore this move by Toyota/Subaru and comes out with a new Sylvia/SX car. The better the variety of cheap I4 RWD coupes on the market, the cooler the car culture. 👍
 

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