Fortunately, all is forgotten when you have moments like this:
You cannot do those things in Forza (you know why Nubur....I wont say it because we all know how angry you guys get) let alone drive at night, in the rain, snow, dirt etc. There is just so much more to do in Gt5 than there is in Forza.
No one is disputing that at its best GT5 is a simply stunning looking title, what we are saying (and you seem to be unable to comprehend) is that on a small percentage of the title looks that good.
Go and find me a shot looking that good with rain or dirt or snow or dust in it, that's one that hasn't been edited outside of GT. Or one that looks that good with a standard car or track.
Its the inconsistency that is the issue for many and while you may be fine with it, simply posting up premium shots doesn't make many of us forget about it.
Allow him.....not everyone's first language is english. Maybe he is not fluent with it I dunno.
No one is stopping him, and quite clearly English is not his first language.
Again just because it is not visible does not necessarily mean it is not calculated. Can you show any pictures of Forza's tyre wear....no but we all know its there. The fact of the matter is it is unlikely you will ever know if it is there or not as you do not have the physics simulation in your hands. However we know Tire deformation is not modelled in GT5 (if it is then just not correctly).
Yes you can see Forza's tyre wear, its shown for each tyre in the telemetry screen.
Correct me if I am wrong but torque steer is directly derived due to the differences of contact patches in the left and right wheels. Differences in contact patches in those wheels is simulated in GT5 especially seen in banked corners so it is simulated and there is torque steer in GT5 but with cars with much more torque.
First torque steer is caused by a number of factors, the main one being unequal length driveshaft (common in FWD cars) causing an unequal transfer of torque to each of the driven wheels. That will result in a difference in contact patch, etc.
You don't need a banked corner to see it (as the effect of the banking will have a much more pronounced effect, what you are seeing in GT (and I seriously doubt you can provide evidence to counter this, is simply the effect of a load transfer calculation on a tyre due to the banking. Certainly nothing about the way the cars behave would indicate anything else. That it doesn't happen on a flat surface is a further indicator of this.
Fire up Forza and try the same (and the Cobra test which I'm still waiting to here back from you on) and the telemetry shows you the affect all these factors are having on the grip at each tyre, the load and its transfer, the suspension geometry changes, etc.
The tyre model in GT5 is providing no more than a grip value for each tyre, call that a contact patch if you will, but I don't.
As I have said before I cannot show you any videos because I do not have the means to upload but when doing the above test in GT5 the car does go in a straight line. So it might be sensible to say that FM has a better tire model.
At last.
However it would be silly to say that this proves it has a better physics model as there are numerous other variables that determine the driving physics with many being unavailable to test or even know they are being measured. Furthermore the above test is very specific and namely tests torque steer with engines with a decent amount of torques so again this is no justification that FM4 has better physics.
The issue is that its not just the tyre model. Even with a simply grip value for each tyre (which is what I suspect GT5 has), if the load transfer and suspension geometry changes were also being modelled then at least some change in traction for each of the driven wheels should occur. That it doesn't indicates (as I have said repeatedly) that something is not right with these areas as well. That's further indicated by the manner in which changes to tuning values act in GT5.
Now I would like to say something about FM4's physics engine. The guys at ISR also agree with me but I find that correcting a car in FM4 is far too easy. (played on 05-01-2012) Granted there is some people here that will say sometimes sims make it too hard to drive....well it is clear that that statement does not apply to any console sims because they are all easy to drive and so that argument is invalid. Look at this video for example:
You can clearly see how much more easy it is to correct in FM and how easy the car is to drive even at full throttle sometimes.
I don't see that video are proving anything along those lines at all.
Can I ask given that you agree with the guys at ISR that cars are too easy to drive in FM4, as to what real world cars on what real world track you are using to come to this conclusion?
Lol.....the grass in GT5 is fine you do not touch the grass and spin even in Group C cars the only time you spin is if you are already in a spin or you are constantly accelerating at near full throttle.
In areas that PD don't want people cutting corners it damn well does.
I could just as well argue that sticky grass doesn't actually exist in FM4 because its not on every corner.
Neither system is ideal, far from it and both need to be replaced by a correct flag and penalty system (as I have said - again repeatedly).
Scaff
and put it in the format of GT3 I would have been a much happier chap.
Lets see...
