Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)

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Really?? A good photo of a premium car reminds you of off all the other bad800 cars? That's what I call negativity there.
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A pic of a premium car doesn't need to remind us of something we already know is there. The picture of the premium car is not the norm for GT5. The pictures of the standard cars are. It's just that not too many people take pictures of them and why would they?
 
ISO.7.studios
Really?? A good photo of a premium car reminds you of off all the other bad800 cars? That's what I call negativity there.

While I certainly love Forza's photomode and that awesome livery editor, I wouldn't discredit GT5 for doing something well. But if that's what a good photo reminds you of, then no one can change that opinion.

Usually when I see a good photo in forza or GT5, I say, why can't I do that. But that's my own thing :lol:
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Because I say "Wow, I'd like to see car X in that light". Then 4 outta 5 times, LITERALLY, my car X is a standard car and the photo looks like crap. OR I say, "Man that scenery looks nice in that photo with that car up front like that. I'm going to take a picture of that car with GT5 I'll just add a few stripes and my racing number and I'll...... oh I forgot" then the thrill is gone.

After going through that over and over I think you can understand why.
 
I fully understand that the 20% of GT5's models are excellent and the over portion is very poor. And there is a reason why photos aren't taken of it. Premium photomode should be in no way representational for the whole game. I personally see that a good picture is a good picture, and it doesn't remind me of 800 really poor cars.

As for the Forza vinyl editor, I don't see that as a reason to dismiss GT5's photomode. But at the same time it is a massive feature that differentiates itself from GT5, and more importantly adds more value and fun to the game, and I really do appreciate that (albeit, I completely suck at using it ;) )

I'm in no way arguing for standard cars, I personally feel that PD should be ashamed of putting out something like that for this generation. Despite this, I treat a good photo in GT5 the same way as I would for Forza. Just my 2cents here.
 
I think the true point is that alot of us own both games, so for example that picture of the McLaren is fantastic, but it dosent make me think "hmm i'll play GT5 tonight" frankly the PS3 is just for blueray now. Anyway problem is see is that I can say thats a great picture, we know that 20% of GT5 is great looking but 80% is shocking.....its not really at its heart a good game in my opinion, i cant spend unhealthy ammounts of time on it unlike Forza.

But i can say that GT5 is ok in parts. But the issue is theres a bunch of people posting on here who will just cant bring themselves to say that forza 4 has any good features at all.....they defend standards, post pics of Prem car....yet not once, ever, have we seen one say "you know what, that livery editor would be great in GT5"

Thats what the problem is, i can see the good in GT5, Shift2, Forza 4 and see if you blended the best bits of each you got my perfect game! Where as some poor souls just see GT5........and nothing else is either given a chance or is blindly disguarded in some misguided loyalty to GT series.....odd...

remove those elements fom this thread and you got a good debate..
 
I will say it again.. gt5 standard models in 2010 aren't as good as forza 2 models from 2007. And that is looking at just the models and not the features and modes standards lack compared to premiums.

Anyone remember what forza 2 was labeled?
Forza 1.5. Lol
 
On valentines day GT5 and Forza 4 got it on.................. looking forward to seeing its off spring........ that would be one pretty kid..
 
LOL, hardly the case. Or maybe one side has been beaten into submission, hmmm....

On a side note:

We're at it again guys. Another xTCC race. This one is between forums.
Right now Race Department has invaded the series with 4 drivers. Wheelracers will have 4 min. But we figure we'd let other forums represent themselves as well.

ForzaPlanet your honor is at stake! If you can commit 4 (or at least 2, hell even 1 guy, lol) racers Saturdays at 11 AM EST you will be doing the Forza Planet contingent a great honor. If not then ....

 
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LOL, hardly the case. Or maybe one side has been beaten into submission, hmmm....

On a side note:

We're at it again guys. Another xTCC race. This one is between forums.
Right now Race Department has invaded the series with 4 drivers. Wheelracers will have 4 min. But we figure we'd let other forums represent themselves as well.

ForzaPlanet your honor is at stake! If you can commit 4 (or at least 2, hell even 1 guy, lol) racers Saturdays at 11 AM EST you will be doing the Forza Planet contingent a great honor. If not then ....

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I can mate. im a clean racer.
 
Depending on how good the 'player' is determines really, how good the game can look....example....

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I recently got an xbox just for FM4 and have a PS3 with GT5 and I got to say that i feel that FM4 is a much better polished off game, i disagree with having standard cars in a generation of HD gaming that really should not be there.

There are good points and bad points in both games but seriously think that FM4 is better in every way. I have just started playing FM4 (2nd week) but have been constantly comparing and I have seen enough to know that it is a better game visually, sound and physics. However the bad points in FM4 are from my point of view is that the fastest drivers all use aids which in my view traction control gives soo much more grip it's like comparing racing soft and racing hard on GT5, on GT5 the fastest drivers all use no aids.

The other bad in forza is that u cannot go on track and go for a free drive in between races and not being able to tweak ur car settings while ur in a lobby.

From my experience on GT5 traction control slows u down but not in forza it makes u faster like i said its like driving on racing hard without traction control and racing soft with it on.

I think forza is an amazing game and wish i could try it on a wheel at the moment i have to resort to pad but not been easy learning a new game without my G25 wheel, i'm looking to sell my wheel and buy a fanatec that works on both then i can really test the physics and feedback from the wheel.
 
M8DH8X
I recently got an xbox just for FM4 and have a PS3 with GT5 and I got to say that i feel that FM4 is a much better polished off game, i disagree with having standard cars in a generation of HD gaming that really should not be there.

There are good points and bad points in both games but seriously think that FM4 is better in every way. I have just started playing FM4 (2nd week) but have been constantly comparing and I have seen enough to know that it is a better game visually, sound and physics. However the bad points in FM4 are from my point of view is that the fastest drivers all use aids which in my view traction control gives soo much more grip it's like comparing racing soft and racing hard on GT5, on GT5 the fastest drivers all use no aids.

The other bad in forza is that u cannot go on track and go for a free drive in between races and not being able to tweak ur car settings while ur in a lobby.

From my experience on GT5 traction control slows u down but not in forza it makes u faster like i said its like driving on racing hard without traction control and racing soft with it on.

I think forza is an amazing game and wish i could try it on a wheel at the moment i have to resort to pad but not been easy learning a new game without my G25 wheel, i'm looking to sell my wheel and buy a fanatec that works on both then i can really test the physics and feedback from the wheel.
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Interesting points. Thing with driving aids is that cars do have them in real life so if someone chooses to use them, then so be it.......its not for me as i dont like the feel in games of driving aids or in real life... but if it is possible for a driver to use them in real life and be faster than someone not using them, well more power to them....

BTW i dont believe ALL the fastest Forza players are using aids....and pretty sure if one gets wind of your post you'll probably get a sharp response;)!!
 
Well, depending on which class of cars we're talking about, driving aids will certainly make most players faster. From what I know, a lot of the fastes times on the leaderboards for the X and R1 classes have been posted with traction control on.

In the lower classes, though, I think that running woutout the driving aids will result in faster lap times. But, I'm not checking the leaderboards often, so I might be wrong.
 
Hello Artboy I didnt mean to offend anyone here, but i'm sure that the fastest drivers are using aids I would like to be proven wrong because I want to see the simulation guys faster than the aid guys because thats what i'm used to on GT5. Class in question is A600 and S700 class cars.

and in my own testing I was getting faster times with traction control on, I drive smooth with it off but with it on I can power out of corners sooner and can be more aggressive.

Ah just one more thing, the comparison of the Nordschleife around the Nurburgring, this should be an interesting topic and maybe needs a thread of it's own, right even though FM4's Nords is not accurate to the distance it does feel more genuine to me. It gives you a good feel of the elevation (the bumps, up and down hills) the sudden loss of grip when you reach the peak of a hill at full spead the massive piller pavements that were not meant for you to drive over really adds the feel of a real environment, just try driving over those huge curbs in real life at max speed for that corner you will most deffinetly flip the car as it does in FM4.

Nordschliefe in GT5 is still very good but not as challenging and you dont feel the peak of a hill in GT5 carrying speed as you do in FM4 also the kurbs in GT5 are not scary and never flips your car no mater how hard or fast you drive over them.

P.S. any recomendations for a wheel?
I would like to have the CSR Elite but that is way out my budget at the moment so it's either the CSR or GT2 which is better for feedback can anyone give me some insight on this please?
 
"because I want to see the simulation guys faster than the aid guys"

Can we all be clear that driver aids are "real life", so talk of simulation being non driver aids is off the mark.......................

The fact that 'the stig' will use a cars driver aids on some of his laps makes him what?

Like i say i dont use them not even abs, but the honest conversation here has to take into account that alot of these supercars are designed around their driver aids.....

Not saying anyone is wrong but lets drop the talk of a fast lap using driver aids as somehow unfair..............
 
@M8DH8X

Can I ask that you please stop using text speak (u rather than you, any1 rather than anyone), when you joined Forza Planet you agreed to follow the AUP, part of which includes..

AUP
You will not use “textspeak” (“r”, “u”, “plz”, etc.) in your messages. Decent grammar is expected at all times, including proper usage of capital letters.
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...thanks


Scaff
 
Scaff
@M8DH8X

Can I ask that you please stop using text speak (u rather than you, any1 rather than anyone), when you joined Forza Planet you agreed to follow the AUP, part of which includes..



...thanks


Scaff
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Sure ok no problem
 
M8DH8X
Hello Artboy I didnt mean to offend anyone here, but i'm sure that the fastest drivers are using aids I would like to be proven wrong because I want to see the simulation guys faster than the aid guys because thats what i'm used to on GT5. Class in question is A600 and S700 class cars.

and in my own testing I was getting faster times with traction control on, I drive smooth with it off but with it on I can power out of corners sooner and can be more aggressive.

Ah just one more thing, the comparison of the Nordschleife around the Nurburgring, this should be an interesting topic and maybe needs a thread of it's own, right even though FM4's Nords is not accurate to the distance it does feel more genuine to me. It gives you a good feel of the elevation (the bumps, up and down hills) the sudden loss of grip when you reach the peak of a hill at full spead the massive piller pavements that were not meant for you to drive over really adds the feel of a real environment, just try driving over those huge curbs in real life at max speed for that corner you will most deffinetly flip the car as it does in FM4.

Nordschliefe in GT5 is still very good but not as challenging and you dont feel the peak of a hill in GT5 carrying speed as you do in FM4 also the kurbs in GT5 are not scary and never flips your car no mater how hard or fast you drive over them.

P.S. any recomendations for a wheel?
I would like to have the CSR Elite but that is way out my budget at the moment so it's either the CSR or GT2 which is better for feedback can anyone give me some insight on this please?
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Interesting thought. I disagree though, mainly because Kazunori has spent a lot of time on the nurburgring, and has used that experience to help design the ring. I can't say for sure either way though, seeing as how I have never driven on the real thing.
 
RedSuinit
Interesting thought. I disagree though, mainly because Kazunori has spent a lot of time on the nurburgring, and has used that experience to help design the ring. I can't say for sure either way though, seeing as how I have never driven on the real thing.
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As far as I know Scaff is the only person here with time on The Ring. From what I remember he stated GT5's Ring is more realistic and Forza's is too wide in certain spots. He would have to clarify that though.

As far as losing grip after a hill etc. that is more physics oriented.
 
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As far as I know Scaff is the only person here with time on The Ring. From what I remember he stated GT5's Ring is more realistic and Forza's is too wide in certain spots. He would have to clarify that though.

As far as losing grip after a hill etc. that is more physics oriented.
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I have indeed and terms of strict accuracy of the track width, corner radii, etc. Then the GT5 'ring is most certainly more accurate.

However the curbstones are too low in GT5 (they used to be low as in GT5 but quite a number of years ago), with FM4's more accurate to the height and impact they have on the car.

The track never seems to have the right look to the elevation in GT5 either, you never get that wall of tarmac feeling from it, Forza doesn't get that right either but does do a bit of a better job with it.


Scaff
 
GT5's Nurb'ring is great...end of, we've been here about 5 times already in this thread.... GT5 is "Nurb'ring...the game", Forza is "TopGear... the game" IMO. lol.

Seriously though GT5 if it were down to 200 prem cars and one track, it would win.... but it's not just that is it.....if there's one track I could happily not have in a driving game it's the Nurb'ring..... hate it..
 
Sorry Scaff I was posting that before you posted!! looks like I'm being Mardy at your post.. I'm not , was answer to previous one... cheers.
 
I've never been to the ring in real life would like to but unfortunately for now it is not possible however to me forza's Ring just seems so much more hard work to keep the car under control and in my opinion it is because of the elevation of the hill's. I had a chat about this with a guy that has actually spent time on Nordschleife in real life a month ago in a lobby on GT5 and he said that GT5 elevation really did not give Nordscheife justice in what it's really like, thats why it feels as though Nords on FM4 is in my opion more true to life in regards to this. For sure the Polyphony team has probably got a more accurate image of the track but for me it is important to how the car actually handles on it. On GT5 you can practically nail every corner and in time I will probably be able to do it in FM4 but you would still have to be mindfull of the way the car handles on these hills. Also those bumps on FM4 look scary and would not even attempt to cut wheels on them!

I didnt know that the kurbs was actually smaller before that's why it's like that in GT5, ahhhh damn I cant wait to get a wheel for this game.
 
I've driven 'round the Nordschleife in real life and Scaff's comments are on the mark. Gran Turismo has always had the most visually-accurate Nürburgring; GT4 wasn't quite right on some of the corners/elevation changes, but GT5's version is probably the best game rendition yet.

Honestly, FM4's Norschleife isn't just "not as good." It's one of the laziest efforts I've seen. Overhead bridges go nowhere at all, track graffiti is copy-pasted over and over, and if you drive backwards you might think your disc drive was failing, based on all the open areas and jagged/half-formed features. Obviously the track itself is most important but we all know that hasn't benefitted massively from the time saved on the scenery. Besides, FM4 is hardly a poster child for "gameplay over graphics."
 
Wolfe
I've driven 'round the Nordschleife in real life and Scaff's comments are on the mark. Gran Turismo has always had the most visually-accurate Nürburgring; GT4 wasn't quite right on some of the corners/elevation changes, but GT5's version is probably the best game rendition yet.

Honestly, FM4's Norschleife isn't just "not as good." It's one of the laziest efforts I've seen. Overhead bridges go nowhere at all, track graffiti is copy-pasted over and over, and if you drive backwards you might think your disc drive was failing, based on all the open areas and jagged/half-formed features. Obviously the track itself is most important but we all know that hasn't benefitted massively from the time saved on the scenery. Besides, FM4 is hardly a poster child for "gameplay over graphics."
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But this is the thing, some people hark on about Nurb'ring, stick the little sticker on their chav mobiles, but for me its over rated. Certainly in game form, its the track i'd use least bar the fantasy ones in both games.....
It wouldnt even matter if i didnt have it in either game.....

Problem is certain folks beleive the hype and feel they arent petrolheads unless they treat that track like some kind of religion.....
 
Personally I think Infineon beats all. This is my all time favorite track knocking Sebring from the top. When it comes to console racing.
 

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