FT-1 = LFA in Toyota clothing?

[Staquix]

Sure seems that way to me and it makes perfect sense that it would be. If the specs are entered in to the game DB I bet they line up almost exactly.

 

[XPOWER180]

No, FT-1 = FT-1, not Supra, not LFA or any other connection people care to throw at it, not to mention that Lexus is a totaly seperate entity to Toyota and does not get it's parent company to preview any cars it may have in the pipeline. So it makes NO sence what so ever.

 

[iainoflo85]

No, FT-1 = FT-1, not Supra, not LFA or any other connection people care to throw at it, not to mention that Lexus is a totaly seperate entity to Toyota and does not get it's parent company to preview any cars it may have in the pipeline. So it makes NO sence what so ever.

Lexus (レクサス Rekusasu?) is the luxury vehicle division of Japanese automaker Toyota Motor Corporation

From Wikipedia. You were saying?

 

[XPOWER180]

Your point being?? I already stated Toyota are their parent company. So, you were saying??!!

 

[ClydeYellow]

Your point being?? I already stated Toyota are their parent company. So, you were saying??!!

A child company and a division are two different things; you're saying Lexus is a company on its own, while he's (or rather, Wikipedia is) saying that it's little more than just a different logo Toyota stamps on their cars.

Answering to OP, I believe that's unlikely. The new FT-1 sports (at least in-game) a turbocharged engine, most likely a V6. The lines of the roof are dramatically different too, which leads me to believe the FT-1 may use a new chassis. However, the use of an, albeit extremely modified LFA monocoque in the prototype doesn't seem that unlikely to me.

 

[sparkytooth]

The LFA still remains faster than the FT-1. I see no real resemblance other than some bits of the interior like the AC vents and the steering wheel.

 

[lancia delta hf]

Your point being?? I already stated Toyota are their parent company. So, you were saying??!!

Lexus was created because Toyota wanted to make more luxurious cars but didnt think it would work or want to stick the toyota badge on it so they came up with Lexus, Lexus is toyota as far as i've always been aware.


EDIT: Not saying the FT-1=LFA

 

[sparkytooth]

The FT-1 however, bears a stronger resemblance to the old supra than the LFA does. The LFA has more of a resemblance, in both purpose and exclusivity to the 2000GT than the Supra.

 

[eSZee]

No, FT-1 = FT-1, not Supra, not LFA or any other connection people care to throw at it, not to mention that Lexus is a totaly seperate entity to Toyota and does not get it's parent company to preview any cars it may have in the pipeline. So it makes NO sence what so ever.

How sure are you of that?

 

[XPOWER180]

100%

 

[sparkytooth]

How sure are you of that?

He knows because he's infiltrated in Toyota as Max Fightmaster. He also informs that Toyota pays their employees in Goofy Goober Dollars and have silly hat Fridays every week. He also informs that they're planning world domination.

 

[Staquix]

Well a little math kind of shoots my theory in the foot.

Wheel base: LFA - 102.6 / FT-1 - 107.8
Length LFA - 177.4 / FT-1 - 184.5
Width LFA - 74.6 / FT-1 - 77.5
Height LFA - 48.2 / FT-1 - 48.0

In inches as per the game data.

They at least sound the same in the game...

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Lexus is brand ( luxury specialty in this case ) owned by Toyota, just like Acura to Honda, Infiniti to Nissan and Eunos to Mazda. We see so many of same models with different badge, Lexus SC = Toyota Soarer, Infiniti G3+ series = Nissan Skyline V series, and many others.

 

[eSZee]

Well a little math kind of shoots my theory in the foot.

No. The in game dimensions of the car are made up.

 

[sparkytooth]

Well a little math kind of shoots my theory in the foot.

Wheel base: LFA - 102.6 / FT-1 - 107.8
Length LFA - 177.4 / FT-1 - 184.5
Width LFA - 74.6 / FT-1 - 77.5
Height LFA - 48.2 / FT-1 - 48.0

They at least sound the same in the game...

The LFA is smaller in-game? *Suspiscious look

Highly doubt this FT-1 even has official dimensions. And that it sounds the same as the Lexus LFA, which has a unique (As far as PD does it) V10 engine note not shared with any other machine.

 

[CodeRedR51]

They at least sound the same in the game...

Umm, no?

 

[Staquix]

The measurements are given in mm for the FT-1 under "Car info" in the game.

 

[sparkytooth]

FT-1 does not sound like an LFA either.

 

[Maddens Raiders]

No. The in game dimensions of the car are made up.

Really?

 

[skyrunr10k]

You guys are just being silly! Drive the LFA and FT1 around Cote a few times. These cars are completely different. On a hot lap the FT1 feels faster but is actually a full second slower than the LFA. Even though their PP is nearly identical (stock no oil). The large difference is noticed under hard breaking off the straight and the downhill into the chicane.

In real life I'd rather own an LFA. It just seems a bit safer being larger and heavier. Unless the FT1 is half the price of the LFA like most Toyota's are. LOL

 

[JogoAsobi]

As someone who has lived in Japan...
....and is older than many of you (not being condescending).

I'll give you my take on the branding:

Once upon a time for those who have been around long enough to remember...
...Made in Japan was not always perceived as high quality...
...much as Made in China is snarked about by some now...
...or the way Hyundai was first received...

So various Japanese auto manufacturers created new brands under which to sell their high-end autos.
Think demographics, many of the people with the wads of cash to buy these luxury goodies are older...
...so, no doubt, many have long memories or pre-disposed opinion regarding certain brands.

There have been some cars sold under these "Luxury" monikers in Japan...
...but by and large they are sold under the parent company brand there.

Toyota has long been a considered a top-of-the-line brand in Japanese domestic market.
Honda was actually an "outlaw" company in the sense that they had to go overseas to first manufacture their cars.
The Japanese government had designated them as a motorcycle/generator manufacturer for Japan domestic market.

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@ OP, they are two different cars with very different physical handling and braking characteristics.
The LFA is tunable, there is nothing on the Toyota FT-1 you can tune other than BB.

 

[eSZee]

Really?

Yes. Look at the car info screen and o to the very bottom where the dimensions in mm are given.

 

[SmileyOr]

Nissan used to be Datsun up until the early 70'. I have driven a few. Toyota created the Lexus name for the high end models sold overseas (USA) as did Honda with Acura and Nissan with Infinity.

And yes, it's a perceived change to market the cars to a broader clientele. What snobbish individual would want to be seen in a lowly Toyota . Enter the luxury brand Lexus

 

[JogoAsobi]

Nissan used to be Datsun up until the early 70'. I have driven a few. Toyota created the Lexus name for the high end models sold overseas (USA) as did Honda with Acura and Nissan with Infinity.

And yes, it's a perceived change to market the cars to a broader clientele. What snobbish individual would want to be seen in a lowly Toyota . Enter the luxury brand Lexus

70's coincides with two big events that gave Japan auto manufacturers major traction here in USA.
'73 oil crisis and '79 gas shortages.
"Cheap" fuel efficient cars is what Japan autos became synonymous with, hence the branding.

Datsun, who can ever forget the 510 or 240Z...
...especially the Peter Brock Datsuns.

 

[RodolphoPNeto]

Of course not. The LFA was an engineer's wet dream, and Lexus loses hundreds of thousands on every sell.

They wouldn't use such an expensive, not so new platform on a brand new concept wich will definetly not be marketed as a hyper car with a 6-figure price tag.

Think of it as a 'new Supra'. An accessible, fun to drive, rear wheel drive sports car that will place right above the FT86.

The concept sure looks impressive, futuristic and all... but the final model will be 'very familiar' to all of us, i think.

 

[dr3w]

Of course not. The LFA was an engineer's wet dream, and Lexus loses hundreds of thousands on every sell.

They wouldn't use such an expensive, not so new platform on a brand new concept wich will definetly not be marketed as a hyper car with a 6-figure price tag.

Think of it as a 'new Supra'. An accessible, fun to drive, rear wheel drive sports car that will place right above the FT86.

The concept sure impressive, futuristic and all... but the final model will be 'very familiar' to all of us, i think.

it would probably be watered down alot, just like the 86, I really like the FT 86 concept II and then when the production car unveiled, I got disappointed. Btw I'm guessing this FT 1 has about 500bhp, I just did 7.44 at the ring which I'm sure many members here could do much better, at the long straight it maxed out at 293 kph due to short ratio of the 6th gear, I thought there would be 7th gear given many new sportscar today has 7 gear. Bottom point, it's a very nice car to drive

 

[FoRiZon]

As far as I know, toyota once said that the new supra isn't called supra anymore. FT-1 very closely resemble to the supra lineup so.....

 

[eSZee]

They wouldn't use such an expensive, not so new platform on a brand new concept wich will definetly not be marketed as a hyper car with a 6-figure price tag.

Think of it as a 'new Supra'. An accessible, fun to drive, rear wheel drive sports car that will place right above the FT86.

From the last video I saw, the ft-1 will not see the light of day or spawn any cars. It's just a representation of the body language Toyota will be heading toward in the future.
As for it being priced low and being accessible, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

it would probably be watered down alot, just like the 86, I really like the FT 86 concept II and then when the production car unveiled, I got disappointed. Btw I'm guessing this FT 1 has about 500bhp, I just did 7.44 at the ring which I'm sure many members here could do much better, at the long straight it maxed out at 293 kph due to short ratio of the 6th gear, I thought there would be 7th gear given many new sportscar today has 7 gear. Bottom point, it's a very nice car to drive

It has 485hp and weight 1320kgs.

 

[andy0a]

I don't think Toyota should make a supercar, they should take some of the design styling, but have a slightly lower power ouput and create the successor or some sort of cheapish to moderately priced sportscar, sort of what the old chasers to the Supras were. A 40-60,000$ car would just be the right price for a Toyota branded sportscar, maybe 300ish hp power ouput to a light bodyframe, and some aggressive and modern styling lines taken from that FT-1?

I'm getting the jitters thinking about that

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I highly doubt Toyota wants to compete against itself. Lexus is Toyota, Toyota is Lexus.


Toyota rebadging the LFA, making it look even worse, would be a huge mistake. Making the Toyota understeer like a pig with no paws on a wet floor... Well, that's just begging to be laughed at.


@andy0a is right, the Toyota should be the middle ground between 86GT (BRZ is nice) and LFA (LFA is nice.) Rounding out the middle ground between 86GT (which is like a modern AE86) and the LFA (equivalent to GT-R) would be, wait for it, the Supra... Which was classically always competition for RX-7, Impreza STi and Evo.


Or, to put it this way...


The 86GT's main competition: MINI Cooper S, Abarth 500, Fiesta/Focus ST, European hot hatches etc., because they're all in somewhat close price range (somewhere below $30,000 for most)


The LFA is in a class of its own in terms of price, but it is, in terms of performance, competition for the Viper, Corvette, Ferrari and Lamborghini, generally. We'll call this the supercar territory.


The step between should be the Supra - it will go against Evo and STi, and other sports cars costing about $50,000-$60,000.