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Meesbaker
Imo there is no mastery in arya leaving Sandor at all. What you say would make sense to me if her action made sense for both mercy and cruelty but it is only cruel as we can count out cowardice on arya. If she had stabbed him it would truly be that way, everyone would ask themselves whether she killed him having a chance for revenge, for her list(which would be a cruel motive) or if she had mercy and released him from his pain. I actually believe you just hype over something that is illogical, no offense.
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It's about the character's growth. Arya has just starting her path to adulthood. All the loss and all the injustice she's experienced upto this point will form who'll she become. The scene with the dying Sandor just gives a clue to who she's becoming, to how the world around her has shaped her future. What she does or doesn't do in that scene isn't important, it's her mindset at this point which is.


Meesbaker
On Oberyn you misunderstood me but that is my bad. I do understand the character I did not mean him to kill gregor before a confession. I was referring to the writers, could they not have oberyn win this?
Oberyn's story could have been an interesting one. He wanted more than just revenge but reveal to everyone how bad the lannisters are(most of them). His seeking for justice could be a great story and everyone likes the guy anyway so why is it clever to take this character from us only to keep the mountain? Do you care about the mountain? I do not.
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Oberyn may be dead due to his obsession with getting justice. But he's part of a large and powerful family. What's to say that they'll not seek the same? His death just serves to escalate the tension between the Lannisters and the Martells.
 
No, you again miss the point entirely. You can't appreciate this show. Go watch more Anime.
 
Meesbaker
I like the idea but can you please be a little more precise about this? It is a good point, what do you think it is that she is thinking? She can not decide what to do? Or just too bothered thinking about life and her future that she ignores this situation? This is definately interesting because iirc arya says no word in that scene and does not react on anything sandor says. She only thinks about whats next, takes the silver which she might need and stalks away.

So it is neither mercy nor cruelty but not giving a **** :D
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Arya had showed she wanted retribution, but didn't have the conviction or maybe the mental strength to kill people herself. She was also convinced early in the story that revenge is a dish best served cold. It was (if i remember rightly) towards the very end of the previous season that she actually killed someone for the first time, having been in the position to do so many times before. The Hound had, in front of Arya, displayed mercy to a dying man. With this in mind and the fact that Sandor was going to die anyway, showing him mercy would be like helping him. But as she wanted him dead, she just left him to die more slowly and painfully.
 
It's not mercy, it's irony. It's ironic that she takes him off her list, but this act of mercy only leaves him to die an even more cruel death. How is this not obvious? Why take issue with it?

I didn't come for a brawl, I just don't understand how you are upset with the show. Your grievances paint a picture of misunderstanding from your perspective. Or, at least I'm trying to convey what I got out of it. For me, the best thing about this show is that the story does not revolve around the characters. Rather, all the characters (and it's good and almost necessary to have so many) are accessories to the drama. And they're all used and even dispatched for a specific purpose-- to wonderfully highlight different dramatic elements and literary devices, etc.

By the way, the "anime" post was a joke. Lighten up-- don't be so German.

Maybe season 4 will help us. Maybe it will be more badass.
 
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You should know by now that Game of Thrones is not written for the fans. /stabs unborn child.

As for Brienne... I see what you're saying, yeah. But, Brienne is a woman.
 
Meesbaker
On arya I get your point now but still i dont understand why brienne draws swords. i know she has honor and her oath and everything but her oath is keeping arya safe. Is she safe in kings landing, where her sister got used to be blamed for regicide? Not like arya was like “help me, he is helding me captive“ in that scene. she seemed fine alongside sandor so why fight for her? Im also not the only one in those last posts in this thread who finds this scene senseless
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Brienne has sworn an oath to Jamie to keep Sansa Stark safe and out of the reach of Cersei Lannister. When she discovers Arya Stark is nearby and in the clutches of a known Lannister henchman, The Hound, she sets out to find her too.

The 'sense' of the scene is that if Sansa Stark has been requested to be kept out of Lannister reach, then her sister, Arya, should be too. At this point Brienne is probably unaware that Joffrey's ex-bodyguard is no longer loyal to the Lannisters.
 
We're at most half way through the story (which the author is still writing) Daenerys taking back the throne with her Valyrian hoards is obviously one of the two cornerstones of the whole story. I doubt we'll see her on Westeros soil for some time yet.

Her meteoric rise from having next to nothing to having this massive army and following is surely going to have to stall before it succeeds. There's got to be something to fill the seasons between now and some series-ending mass battle.
 
Meesbaker
First of all that whole Brienne vs Hound thing was completely dumb. Why did brienne to fight for arya? why did jaime tell her to do so? The hound said it, it makes absolutely no sense anymore to take arya anywhere, she was fine alongside the hound and brienne made no sense running around there and even attacking!?
Arya did not say a word after their conversation, not like she agreed on anything which is why whe just ran away from brienne. Also the result of that clash....as much as i like brienne she should not last a minute in a duel against sandor clegane. Especially not in hand to hand??

Also why does arya not take hee chance to tick a name on her list. She speaks that list day and night and Sandor even wanted to die because all thats left for him is a slow painful death somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Why does she not do it? Pretty cruel to just leave him behind?
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Good questions! The very first thing to say is that these scenes where Brienne fought the Hound and Arya departed the Hound without mercy were both written for the HBO show and departed from the books. That is a big source of your gut instinct that there is something wrong with these scenes. In the books Brienne never fought the Hound. In the books Arya left Sandor on a note of ambiguity if not mercy, and there are foreshadowings that although the Hound is dead, Sandor yet lives. This all has implications for understanding the motives of the characters as you see them going forward in the HBO production.
 
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Three weeks!
 
Is anyone else pissed at the Sand Snakes? They look SO SOFT. Horrible casting. The one girl that's what's-her-face's daughter looks like she just came out of the Selina movie. That's not Dornish, that's Peruvian.

I mean, damn, I would be more afraid of Arya Stark. How can these 3 killers look softer than Khaleesi?
 
As much as I love this show they have sunk to an all time low with the Sansa / Ramsey scene. It could have been redeemed with Theon finally rebelling against Ramsey. Creating shock value is one thing but seriously this is by far one of the most disgusting, disappointing events in the entire show. No sort of revenge or retaliation will make up for that event. Season 5 has been a bit meh anyway but it just seems like he is just getting desperate producing scenes like that for public attention. :guilty::indiff:👎
 
I don't get the outrage over that scene.

It's no worse or IMO as bad as dany/khal drogo in season 1.
 
Caz
I don't get the outrage over that scene.
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Please allow me to explain. :D

The majority of the book buyers are females, and the progressive tone of the story of strong, empowered female characters strongly appeals to them. When one of these book story heroines attains "agency", and this is rudely taken away in the TV series, the females and feminist males in the audience become irate. As the story plays out in the HBO production, this "outrage" may (or may not) come to be seen as a key plot element; justified and not gratuitous.
 
I'm not enjoying this season as the ones before. Too many things not in the books. Now i'm not one have everything be exactly like in the book, but:


*Ser barristan dying
*The Reek/Bolton has gone to far, and I was hoping at the end of last episode, Theon would kill Reese flee with Sansa telling her that he didn't kill her brothers.
*Ser Jorah getting Greyscale instead of Jon Connington
*Jaime and Bronn going to get Myrcella

I'm not outraged, just not sure what to think about this season.
 
This season isn't holding me as much as seasons pasts. It's good, but seems they are trying to move things along way to quickly.

The one fight scene thus week was such a major letdown.
 

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