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[05XR8]

In that case General Motors is still around as the holder of Holden/HSV trademarks and rights.

HSV is owned by Walkinshaw. There’s possibility the brand could still be represented. At least one Group A era HSV would fit nicely into GT7.

 

[ArronWestley]

HSV is owned by Walkinshaw. There’s possibility the brand could still be represented. At least one Group A era HSV would fit nicely into GT7.

GM owning Holden doesn't forbid PD from adding Holdens to the game, the problem is that GM would probably ask PD to add something more marketable in return, like a Silverado (to compete with the existing trucks).

In a side note, I was never a fan of how GM treated Holden. The Zeta platform developed by Holden for the VE ensured the revival (and survival) of the Camaro and other projects. When it was time for GM to repay the favor to an ailing Holden, they didn't.

 

[Fernando_DSF]

Any idea of who owns the property rights of Cizeta now?

 

[05XR8]

GM owning Holden doesn't forbid PD from adding Holdens to the game, the problem is that GM would probably ask PD to add something more marketable in return, like a Silverado (to compete with the existing trucks).

In a side note, I was never a fan of how GM treated Holden. The Zeta platform developed by Holden for the VE ensured the revival (and survival) of the Camaro and other projects. When it was time for GM to repay the favor to an ailing Holden, they didn't.

I just had to look up Chevy and see what’s on the market. Wow. A world of high riders and Corvette. That’s amazing.

 

[OldandSlow]

I just had to look up Chevy and see what’s on the market. Wow. A world of high riders and Corvette. That’s amazing.

Same for Ford. Stellantis is even worse. One car that they can’t give away and the high riders. A shame.

 

[Famine]

Any idea of who owns the property rights of Cizeta now?

Broadly... no.

A chap called Antonio Mandelli supposedly bought the remnants of the bankrupted Cizeta Automobili SRL (Italy) and announced he was making a new car in 2022. He'd already tried to make a modified V16T in 1999, called the Mandelli Monza, but it appears he didn't own the brand until much more recently.

Claudio Zampalli emigrated to the USA and founded Cizeta Automobili USA, which made three more V16Ts between 1999 and 2003. However he died in 2021.

Another Antonio, this time Casalini, claims to be the current owner of Cizeta Automobili USA (and to have owned the name Cizeta since 2005, somehow) but aside from a somewhat combative website doesn't appear to be doing much with it.

 

[Nakano219]

Autobacs is still around, and it's possible that the Garaiya comes to a Gran Turismo in the future (Datamined List).

In addition to its presence on the datamine list, if you look at the Notice of Intellectual Property credits in-game there is straight up a credit for "AUTOBACS, ASL and Garaiya names, emblems and body design" - a Garaiya, whether the road concept or the GT300, is very likely somewhere down the road.

 

[equalitus]

HSV is owned by Walkinshaw. There’s possibility the brand could still be represented. At least one Group A era HSV would fit nicely into GT7.

A while ago I suggested for Kaz on Twitter that he add one of the Honda HSV models from GT5 or GT6. But I didn't say it was important.

 

[ScottPuss20]

A while ago I suggested for Kaz on Twitter that he add one of the Honda HSV models from GT5 or GT6. But I didn't say it was important.

He won't listen to you mate.

 

[hyperspeed980]

but aside from a somewhat combative website doesn't appear to be doing much with it.

That website is brilliant. You don't see many like that these days.

 

[M Stark]

No. A game being about driving, doesn't force you to model some random car off the street. Because you can have everyday cars, that have quite a bit of performance in them.

A Golf GTI, is an everyday car, that has a sports pedegree to it, and more importantly, good enough performance to be driven around a track (which is what the game has, not an open world map like GTA).

So, for that "everyday car" category, they can get away with modeling sporty versions of road going vehicles, like GTI and R variants from VW, RS/ST from Ford, OPC from Opel, M from BMW, AMG from Mercedes, RS/S models from Audi, and so on. There's no reason to have the basic model.

Another thing that past GT games did great, that PD fully ignores now, was having lesser known brands. Saleen, Holden/HSV, FPV/Ford Australia, Tommy Kayra, Cizeta, Spiker, Autobacs, and many others. This was far more interesting than having some random SUV from Toyota.

Also, atleast for GT4, we had a decently up-to-date car list, without online updates! Nowadays, every brand is severely outdated in their line up, in all categories, road or race cars.

You're still missing the point. Having the basic model in the game as you call it is a core part of GT because you have the capability to "tune" it. Sure, you could tune an already tuned car but it doesn't change the fact that's already tuned out of the box from the manufacturer. The experience of tuning a ****box VS tuning a Porsche GT3 RS is worlds apart.

When it comes to the competitive aspect of the game, I do agree there's a lot to be desired when it comes to GT cars, tracks, etc. and I hope GT8 will rectify this. But when it comes to GT7 and the future of the franchise in general, the game has to build an inventory of cars which is a slow endeavor considering the insanely high quality of each entry. GT8 will be a much stronger title because of that and PD will hopefully have more time in focusing on the competitive aspect of the game this time around.

 

[alvitoxde123]

You're still missing the point. Having the basic model in the game as you call it is a core part of GT because you have the capability to "tune" it. Sure, you could tune an already tuned car but it doesn't change the fact that's already tuned out of the box from the manufacturer. The experience of tuning a ****box VS tuning a Porsche GT3 RS is worlds apart.

When it comes to the competitive aspect of the game, I do agree there's a lot to be desired when it comes to GT cars, tracks, etc. and I hope GT8 will rectify this. But when it comes to GT7 and the future of the franchise in general, the game has to build an inventory of cars which is a slow endeavor considering the insanely high quality of each entry. GT8 will be a much stronger title because of that and PD will hopefully have more time in focusing on the competitive aspect of the game this time around.

Variety is key. We need a healthy mix of ****boxes/slow cars and supercars. So you have the chance to run a 700PP event with an super tuned '05 118i or an R8. What we also need is an Modern Supercar Event or something like that. more events in general to be fair, but at this point just get them out of the oven perfectly cooked for GT8.

About outdated racing cars:

I can't get why they promote so much GTWS, yet they dont update the roster thats used for the ****ing competition. Total no-sense. Typical 2010-now PD. As you said, maybe it is because they have to build an inventory of this type of weird/slow/****boxes cars, and im fine with it. That's also GT. But GT is also having variety, of all kinds of cars. I have the hope your theory about GT8 car list is true. Its highly probably, since they are future proofing all these cars, so in 10 years they dont have to remodel every single Civic, and can focus on the latest relevant releases.

 

[M Stark]

Variety is key. We need a healthy mix of ****boxes/slow cars and supercars. So you have the chance to run a 700PP event with an super tuned '05 118i or an R8. What we also need is an Modern Supercar Event or something like that. more events in general to be fair, but at this point just get them out of the oven perfectly cooked for GT8.

About outdated racing cars:

I can't get why they promote so much GTWS, yet they dont update the roster thats used for the ****ing competition. Total no-sense. Typical 2010-now PD. As you said, maybe it is because they have to build an inventory of this type of weird/slow/****boxes cars, and im fine with it. That's also GT. But GT is also having variety, of all kinds of cars. I have the hope your theory about GT8 car list is true. Its highly probably, since they are future proofing all these cars, so in 10 years they dont have to remodel every single Civic, and can focus on the latest relevant releases.

Yeah, it's no secret the competitive aspect of GT took a backseat after Sport, even though PD still heavily promotes GTWS. But if you think of Sport and 7 as building blocks, then GT8 could be absolutely massive. A theory, of course, but when I see all these (mostly) monthly updates with all these random yet super high effort detailed cars it's very hard for me to believe they are meant just for GT7.

 

[Nakano219]

I'm still of the opinion that they'll eventually get round to things like the 499P and the 296 GT3, licensing permitting, because those cars have won something.

But PD have added 368 cars since GT Sport's launch, and less than 10* of those could be described as "real, contemporary race car that didn't win an important race or championship before PD added it". It's been clear for years that PD have no interest in racing cars whose entire résumé is "it's the current one".

*My count: 2016 Audi R18, BRZ drift car, 2017 Lexus RC F GT3, the two 2016 Super GT cars that didn't win, the two Super Formula engine versions that didn't win. I genuinely don't think there's any others.

 

[jonoholland29]

I'm still of the opinion that they'll eventually get round to things like the 499P and the 296 GT3, licensing permitting, because those cars have won something.

But PD have added 368 cars since GT Sport's launch, and less than 10* of those could be described as "real, contemporary race car that didn't win an important race or championship before PD added it". It's been clear for years that PD have no interest in racing cars whose entire résumé is "it's the current one".

*My count: 2016 Audi R18, BRZ drift car, 2017 Lexus RC F GT3, the two 2016 Super GT cars that didn't win, the two Super Formula engine versions that didn't win. I genuinely don't think there's any others.

I think all of those were added because you can’t have one of their brand without the other. Similar with Super Formula - I imagine they didn’t want to aggravate the relationship with the other engine builder.

 

[alvitoxde123]

I'm still of the opinion that they'll eventually get round to things like the 499P and the 296 GT3, licensing permitting, because those cars have won something.

But PD have added 368 cars since GT Sport's launch, and less than 10* of those could be described as "real, contemporary race car that didn't win an important race or championship before PD added it". It's been clear for years that PD have no interest in racing cars whose entire résumé is "it's the current one".

*My count: 2016 Audi R18, BRZ drift car, 2017 Lexus RC F GT3, the two 2016 Super GT cars that didn't win, the two Super Formula engine versions that didn't win. I genuinely don't think there's any others.

A little recount of GT3 cars that got crowned champions of any mid-important racing GT3 series in the world. (Not counting aldready in-game cars) (2019-2025)
BMW M4 GT3
911 GT3 R 992
Huracan GT3 EVO 2 and EVO (One of the most crowned cars ever in the recent times, really impresing)
296 GT3
Vantage AMR GT3
NSX GT3
720s GT3
R8 LMS EVO 2, but it 99% wont come since we have the first evo, and the first evo can be tuned with respective EVO II body parts
Not sure why i did this, i was boring