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[Fernando_DSF]

Any idea of who owns the property rights of Cizeta now?

 

[05XR8]

GM owning Holden doesn't forbid PD from adding Holdens to the game, the problem is that GM would probably ask PD to add something more marketable in return, like a Silverado (to compete with the existing trucks).

In a side note, I was never a fan of how GM treated Holden. The Zeta platform developed by Holden for the VE ensured the revival (and survival) of the Camaro and other projects. When it was time for GM to repay the favor to an ailing Holden, they didn't.

I just had to look up Chevy and see what’s on the market. Wow. A world of high riders and Corvette. That’s amazing.

 

[OldandSlow]

I just had to look up Chevy and see what’s on the market. Wow. A world of high riders and Corvette. That’s amazing.

Same for Ford. Stellantis is even worse. One car that they can’t give away and the high riders. A shame.

 

[Famine]

Any idea of who owns the property rights of Cizeta now?

Broadly... no.

A chap called Antonio Mandelli supposedly bought the remnants of the bankrupted Cizeta Automobili SRL (Italy) and announced he was making a new car in 2022. He'd already tried to make a modified V16T in 1999, called the Mandelli Monza, but it appears he didn't own the brand until much more recently.

Claudio Zampalli emigrated to the USA and founded Cizeta Automobili USA, which made three more V16Ts between 1999 and 2003. However he died in 2021.

Another Antonio, this time Casalini, claims to be the current owner of Cizeta Automobili USA (and to have owned the name Cizeta since 2005, somehow) but aside from a somewhat combative website doesn't appear to be doing much with it.

 

[Nakano219]

Autobacs is still around, and it's possible that the Garaiya comes to a Gran Turismo in the future (Datamined List).

In addition to its presence on the datamine list, if you look at the Notice of Intellectual Property credits in-game there is straight up a credit for "AUTOBACS, ASL and Garaiya names, emblems and body design" - a Garaiya, whether the road concept or the GT300, is very likely somewhere down the road.

 

[equalitus]

HSV is owned by Walkinshaw. There’s possibility the brand could still be represented. At least one Group A era HSV would fit nicely into GT7.

A while ago I suggested for Kaz on Twitter that he add one of the Honda HSV models from GT5 or GT6. But I didn't say it was important.

 

[ScottPuss20]

A while ago I suggested for Kaz on Twitter that he add one of the Honda HSV models from GT5 or GT6. But I didn't say it was important.

He won't listen to you mate.

 

[hyperspeed980]

but aside from a somewhat combative website doesn't appear to be doing much with it.

That website is brilliant. You don't see many like that these days.

 

[M Stark]

No. A game being about driving, doesn't force you to model some random car off the street. Because you can have everyday cars, that have quite a bit of performance in them.

A Golf GTI, is an everyday car, that has a sports pedegree to it, and more importantly, good enough performance to be driven around a track (which is what the game has, not an open world map like GTA).

So, for that "everyday car" category, they can get away with modeling sporty versions of road going vehicles, like GTI and R variants from VW, RS/ST from Ford, OPC from Opel, M from BMW, AMG from Mercedes, RS/S models from Audi, and so on. There's no reason to have the basic model.

Another thing that past GT games did great, that PD fully ignores now, was having lesser known brands. Saleen, Holden/HSV, FPV/Ford Australia, Tommy Kayra, Cizeta, Spiker, Autobacs, and many others. This was far more interesting than having some random SUV from Toyota.

Also, atleast for GT4, we had a decently up-to-date car list, without online updates! Nowadays, every brand is severely outdated in their line up, in all categories, road or race cars.

You're still missing the point. Having the basic model in the game as you call it is a core part of GT because you have the capability to "tune" it. Sure, you could tune an already tuned car but it doesn't change the fact that's already tuned out of the box from the manufacturer. The experience of tuning a ****box VS tuning a Porsche GT3 RS is worlds apart.

When it comes to the competitive aspect of the game, I do agree there's a lot to be desired when it comes to GT cars, tracks, etc. and I hope GT8 will rectify this. But when it comes to GT7 and the future of the franchise in general, the game has to build an inventory of cars which is a slow endeavor considering the insanely high quality of each entry. GT8 will be a much stronger title because of that and PD will hopefully have more time in focusing on the competitive aspect of the game this time around.

 

[alvitoxde123]

You're still missing the point. Having the basic model in the game as you call it is a core part of GT because you have the capability to "tune" it. Sure, you could tune an already tuned car but it doesn't change the fact that's already tuned out of the box from the manufacturer. The experience of tuning a ****box VS tuning a Porsche GT3 RS is worlds apart.

When it comes to the competitive aspect of the game, I do agree there's a lot to be desired when it comes to GT cars, tracks, etc. and I hope GT8 will rectify this. But when it comes to GT7 and the future of the franchise in general, the game has to build an inventory of cars which is a slow endeavor considering the insanely high quality of each entry. GT8 will be a much stronger title because of that and PD will hopefully have more time in focusing on the competitive aspect of the game this time around.

Variety is key. We need a healthy mix of ****boxes/slow cars and supercars. So you have the chance to run a 700PP event with an super tuned '05 118i or an R8. What we also need is an Modern Supercar Event or something like that. more events in general to be fair, but at this point just get them out of the oven perfectly cooked for GT8.

About outdated racing cars:

I can't get why they promote so much GTWS, yet they dont update the roster thats used for the ****ing competition. Total no-sense. Typical 2010-now PD. As you said, maybe it is because they have to build an inventory of this type of weird/slow/****boxes cars, and im fine with it. That's also GT. But GT is also having variety, of all kinds of cars. I have the hope your theory about GT8 car list is true. Its highly probably, since they are future proofing all these cars, so in 10 years they dont have to remodel every single Civic, and can focus on the latest relevant releases.

 

[M Stark]

Variety is key. We need a healthy mix of ****boxes/slow cars and supercars. So you have the chance to run a 700PP event with an super tuned '05 118i or an R8. What we also need is an Modern Supercar Event or something like that. more events in general to be fair, but at this point just get them out of the oven perfectly cooked for GT8.

About outdated racing cars:

I can't get why they promote so much GTWS, yet they dont update the roster thats used for the ****ing competition. Total no-sense. Typical 2010-now PD. As you said, maybe it is because they have to build an inventory of this type of weird/slow/****boxes cars, and im fine with it. That's also GT. But GT is also having variety, of all kinds of cars. I have the hope your theory about GT8 car list is true. Its highly probably, since they are future proofing all these cars, so in 10 years they dont have to remodel every single Civic, and can focus on the latest relevant releases.

Yeah, it's no secret the competitive aspect of GT took a backseat after Sport, even though PD still heavily promotes GTWS. But if you think of Sport and 7 as building blocks, then GT8 could be absolutely massive. A theory, of course, but when I see all these (mostly) monthly updates with all these random yet super high effort detailed cars it's very hard for me to believe they are meant just for GT7.

 

[Nakano219]

I'm still of the opinion that they'll eventually get round to things like the 499P and the 296 GT3, licensing permitting, because those cars have won something.

But PD have added 368 cars since GT Sport's launch, and less than 10* of those could be described as "real, contemporary race car that didn't win an important race or championship before PD added it". It's been clear for years that PD have no interest in racing cars whose entire résumé is "it's the current one".

*My count: 2016 Audi R18, BRZ drift car, 2017 Lexus RC F GT3, the two 2016 Super GT cars that didn't win, the two Super Formula engine versions that didn't win. I genuinely don't think there's any others.

 

[jonoholland29]

I'm still of the opinion that they'll eventually get round to things like the 499P and the 296 GT3, licensing permitting, because those cars have won something.

But PD have added 368 cars since GT Sport's launch, and less than 10* of those could be described as "real, contemporary race car that didn't win an important race or championship before PD added it". It's been clear for years that PD have no interest in racing cars whose entire résumé is "it's the current one".

*My count: 2016 Audi R18, BRZ drift car, 2017 Lexus RC F GT3, the two 2016 Super GT cars that didn't win, the two Super Formula engine versions that didn't win. I genuinely don't think there's any others.

I think all of those were added because you can’t have one of their brand without the other. Similar with Super Formula - I imagine they didn’t want to aggravate the relationship with the other engine builder.

 

[alvitoxde123]

I'm still of the opinion that they'll eventually get round to things like the 499P and the 296 GT3, licensing permitting, because those cars have won something.

But PD have added 368 cars since GT Sport's launch, and less than 10* of those could be described as "real, contemporary race car that didn't win an important race or championship before PD added it". It's been clear for years that PD have no interest in racing cars whose entire résumé is "it's the current one".

*My count: 2016 Audi R18, BRZ drift car, 2017 Lexus RC F GT3, the two 2016 Super GT cars that didn't win, the two Super Formula engine versions that didn't win. I genuinely don't think there's any others.

A little recount of GT3 cars that got crowned champions of any mid-important racing GT3 series in the world. (Not counting aldready in-game cars) (2019-2025)
BMW M4 GT3
911 GT3 R 992
Huracan GT3 EVO 2 and EVO (One of the most crowned cars ever in the recent times, really impresing)
296 GT3
Vantage AMR GT3
NSX GT3
720s GT3
R8 LMS EVO 2, but it 99% wont come since we have the first evo, and the first evo can be tuned with respective EVO II body parts
Not sure why i did this, i was boring

 

[dacc10]

I agree with what you wrote, but most of the brands you specified are either dead/defunct, or with financial issues. Of course, that doesn't stop PD from maybe getting cars from those brands in the future (just look at Pontiac, Plymouth and Autobianchi, for example), but I would argue that it may be more difficult. Maybe I am wrong though, so correct me if that's the case.

For those that don't know:

• Saleen Automotive has a lot of financial problems and are constantly asking for investors/investment, so they could (maybe) release their Saleen S1. Not sure if anything changed since I last checked them, but honestly it's a big mess, and a bit sketchy (The S1 is "Coming Soon", and after 7 years it still hasn't arrived);
• Holden and HSV went defunct in 2021 and 2020, respectively;
• FPV went defunct in 2014;
• TommyKaira is still around;
• Cizeta went defunct in 2021 (Claudio Zampolli, the founder, died that year);
• Spyker filed for bankruptcy in 2021, not sure what happened afterwards;
• Autobacs is still around, and it's possible that the Garaiya comes to a Gran Turismo in the future (Datamined List).

They could get new lesser known brands instead. But most of them seem to only make EVs, which the GT community absolutely adores.

A brand having financial issues, doesn't stop it from making an appearance in the game. Heck, the money they gain from the license for their inclusion in one or more games, could actually be used to help their finances a bit, while their cars get some publicity.

You pointed out yourself that even for defunct brands, they can appear in games. So there's that. With enough effort, PD can get those brands, to atleast get their iconic cars, like the Cizeta V16T. If the cars exist, and suit the "sporty" side of the game, then by all means they should be added in some way or another.

Then you have multiple SEMA winners that are missing. The absolute classic Buick Special is one of them, that would generate a lot more hype than these random SUVs that they've been adding.

For HSV and FPV, they were part of bigger brands/groups, and they had pretty cool cars. It's not unthinkable to get their license for some of their cars.

Plus, there are plenty of lesser known brands nowadays, that make pretty cool cars. Like Ariel Motor Company, Apollo, Arrinera, Brabham, Caterham, Czinger, Donkervoort, GMA, Gumpert, Hennessey, Jeep (for the Trackhawk), LCC (Rocket from GT6), MG, SEAT/Cupra, Morgan, Mosler, Pininfarina, Polestar, Rimac, SCC, Zenvo, Noble, Koenigsegg, Kia, Isuzu, Chrysler, Ascari. And we could even include brands like Bentley and Cadillac, and other known brands that are glaring omissions.

They can't get any of these brands? As you can see, most of them are not for EVs.

Regardless, what the GT community adores is irrelevant to PD. They choose to model cars that no one asked for.
And in all honesty, it's safe to say that 90% of the playerbase would rather have a Mustang Mach-E rather than a random Qashqai. The remaining 10% will try to argue that an engine swap is enough of a reason to have the Qashqai.

Variety is key. We need a healthy mix of ****boxes/slow cars and supercars. So you have the chance to run a 700PP event with an super tuned '05 118i or an R8. What we also need is an Modern Supercar Event or something like that. more events in general to be fair, but at this point just get them out of the oven perfectly cooked for GT8.

About outdated racing cars:

I can't get why they promote so much GTWS, yet they dont update the roster thats used for the ****ing competition. Total no-sense. Typical 2010-now PD. As you said, maybe it is because they have to build an inventory of this type of weird/slow/****boxes cars, and im fine with it. That's also GT. But GT is also having variety, of all kinds of cars. I have the hope your theory about GT8 car list is true. Its highly probably, since they are future proofing all these cars, so in 10 years they dont have to remodel every single Civic, and can focus on the latest relevant releases.

We don't need random everyday cars. For the lower tiers, you should have older cars/classics and lower tier sports cars, like hot hatchbacks and small sports cars like the Miata. We don't need anything bellow this, bar a few exception like the Autobianchi.

Maybe you won't be able to use a 118i in a 700pp race, but you would still be able to tune a GT86 for the same effect, or, ideally, you'd get a modern 135i, which works both as a regular car, and as a car with decent performance to be competitive with other cars in it's own class, all that while having even more ability to be tuned.

You're still missing the point. Having the basic model in the game as you call it is a core part of GT because you have the capability to "tune" it. Sure, you could tune an already tuned car but it doesn't change the fact that's already tuned out of the box from the manufacturer. The experience of tuning a ****box VS tuning a Porsche GT3 RS is worlds apart.

When it comes to the competitive aspect of the game, I do agree there's a lot to be desired when it comes to GT cars, tracks, etc. and I hope GT8 will rectify this. But when it comes to GT7 and the future of the franchise in general, the game has to build an inventory of cars which is a slow endeavor considering the insanely high quality of each entry. GT8 will be a much stronger title because of that and PD will hopefully have more time in focusing on the competitive aspect of the game this time around.

How do you jump from a random everyday car, s***box as you call it, to a 911 GT3RS? Why are you pretending there's nothing between those two?
Before you reach the GT3RS, you would have to go past any older variants of the 911, plus the Cayman, and potentially some Porsche SUV. Before you reach Porsche, you still have "normal" brands, which have their own lower tier entries, like Polo GTI, Lupo GTI, Twingo RS, Micra RS, or the much older Clio Williams.

These are just a few examples, of cars that can be fun to drive stock, even though they are not the most powerful cars in the game, and they still have the full potential for tuning, just like any regular car.

Adding a random everyday car just for the sake of tuning is nonsense.

 

[SoulSilvera]

Plus, there are plenty of lesser known brands nowadays, that make pretty cool cars. Like Ariel Motor Company, Apollo, Arrinera, Brabham, Caterham, Czinger, Donkervoort, GMA, Gumpert, Hennessey, Jeep (for the Trackhawk), LCC (Rocket from GT6), MG, SEAT/Cupra, Morgan, Mosler, Pininfarina, Polestar, Rimac, SCC, Zenvo, Noble, Koenigsegg, Kia, Isuzu, Chrysler, Ascari. And we could even include brands like Bentley and Cadillac, and other known brands that are glaring omissions.

They can't get any of these brands? As you can see, most of them are not for EVs.

I did specifically say "new lesser known brands". Of those you said, I'd argue that only Automobili Pininfarina, Apollo Automobil (Gumpert), Czinger, Arrinera, Brabham Automotive, and maybe Zenvo, Ultima Sports and Donkervoort (these last 3 are a stretch, IMO) fit in that category. The rest are either decently well known, or not new at all, even if they are active today.
But you did give great examples, and it's a shame they are not present in GT.

I was thinking Viritech, Aspark, Yangwang, Lucid Motors, VinFast, Fornasari, Equus Automotive, Rezvani... stuff like that, plus some of the ones you wrote. Or even those brands that only make resto mods, for example.


Unfortunately, a lot of cars are either EVs or SUVs nowadays. And like you said, PD will model the cars they want, plus the cars the companies want. I'd argue that these SUVs they've been adding are mainly to appease the car brands, but who knows.


Anyways, we have clearly gone off-topic, and there's a new update coming soon, so...

 

[M Stark]

How do you jump from a random everyday car, s***box as you call it, to a 911 GT3RS? Why are you pretending there's nothing between those two?
Before you reach the GT3RS, you would have to go past any older variants of the 911, plus the Cayman, and potentially some Porsche SUV. Before you reach Porsche, you still have "normal" brands, which have their own lower tier entries, like Polo GTI, Lupo GTI, Twingo RS, Micra RS, or the much older Clio Williams.

These are just a few examples, of cars that can be fun to drive stock, even though they are not the most powerful cars in the game, and they still have the full potential for tuning, just like any regular car.

Adding a random everyday car just for the sake of tuning is nonsense.

I get what you're saying, and I agree there's clearly more middle ground between a ******* and a GT3 RS as you've pointed out. However, adding everyday cars is a staple of GT. You don't have to like it, but you need to accept that's how it has always been and GT fans expect it.

 

[05XR8]

Same for Ford. Stellantis is even worse. One car that they can’t give away and the high riders. A shame.

I love when going to both brand’s options to click Cars and it reads “Family of Cars” and it’s just the one Mustang or Corvette. Welp, guess there’s no slowing down for future GT7 updates. Lots of SUVs to get through yet.

It is funny how many Peugeot 2008s I’m noticing on the road now. Pointed an orange one out to my wife last night and said it was just added to GT7. She said, “What? That orange thing?”

I said at least it has a six-speed manual. She said:

I then added, it’s got a nice dash and a cool two-spoke steering wheel.

She said:

I forgot to press “Post reply” two weeks ago.