Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[hawkeyez]

Idk maybe Im just old, working in finance probably doesn't help either, but permanently paying real money for temporary virtual content is...ridiculous...in the industry as a whole. I know where at the point where thats all people have know their entire lives but, just read that first sentence again. I just can't make myself do that.

Have you ever rented movies? Lots of old people have.

I bought a wheel, pedals, made a seat, have SimHub running for shakers, ps5, tv, stereo, headset, $90 GT7, what a waste when it becomes as old as the original NES. What was I thinking…. I still have my PS3 and GT5 and GT6, I don’t play those games or desire to play them. It’s called entertainment.

I spend my money on what I enjoy. Even if I know it’s not permanent, I do have some good memories racing and funny ones and the same goes for other games I’ve played. It may be temporary virtual content, but the memories aren’t temporary. For now anyway, I’ll see what happens in forty years.

I think I get it, most playing Gran Turismo simply don’t want DLC. I’m curious what happens to GT7 content updates when Project Motor Racing and Assetto Corsa 2 releases. I thought something bigger would drop when forza came out, but I suppose GT and Forza are pretty close to the same type of game on a different console, so I shouldn’t have expected much.

 

[Fezzik]

I’m curious what happens to GT7 content updates when Project Motor Racing and Assetto Corsa 2 releases.

Absolutely nothing. PD operate in a bubble, completely independent of any “rival” releases or updates.

 

[ruestchiva]

And then they stop making them at all because the publisher is asking why the resources are going into packs no-one's buying:

The game's content gets guided by popularism alone, like all the others, and ends up having largely the same content as all the others, losing what makes it unique.

Again, this monetisation of the game (selling content piecemeal is monetisation) is how Gran Turismo dies as a GT game and becomes a car game with GT on the box. Until it's kick off because it's not as popular as it was before for... oooh, some reason.

Well, they are probably questioning why are they wasting resources if they are not even monetizing anything from a car that nobody is driving. There is absolutely no added value in a car like the CR-V for his game. They are not selling it, nobody is driving it (maybe a few for the memes) and it is not making the game any better. I do respect people who enjoy the CR-V, I don't have a problem with that. It's just they wasted 9 months of work for a car that will underperform in so many ways that what others would've done.

I stand by the idea of selling cars for $1 or $2 maybe $5 for the really nice ones. I don't really know how pricing would work. But, I'm pretty sure it would go a long way into keeping the game alive, making more profits, and providing feedback on what is worth spending resources and what is not. Maybe with all the income from these sales more licenses can be bought for even more cars to come. And I believe that GT7 is fine being a live service game. It actually makes the most sense in being a live service game because licensing each new title is so much more complicated than keeping the licenses active or paid to the brands.

If you ever seen the game World of Tanks, that's basically the best way for GT7 to go. That game has been around for 15 years and has been such a successful business model.

 

[hawkeyez]

This is one of my biggest gripes with the game. A singular entry from a specific class with no natural competitor. The Toyota hypercar and audi rs5 dtm being the main culprits

Hmmm, and I wonder how that could be fixed?

I think that’s what got me on dlc, is there any other way PD can round out there game a little? It’s not like having cars to fill out car classes would ruin what GT7 is all about and make it more like other racing games. Far from it actually, it would make it so you’d say, why rush to buy that game, GT7 has it all! They could have done this from the start with updates but instead were getting more, one of this or one of that. I was expecting it actually, hmmm, a skyline silouhette I wonder if the Zakspeed or 935 is on its way? 2J, maybe we’re finally going to get some more of those relatively unknown cars…

Nope. Here’s an suv, a Kangoo and some other stuff.

 

[Nebuc72]

Hmmm, and I wonder how that could be fixed?

I think that’s what got me on dlc, is there any other way PD can round out there game a little?

Nope. Here’s an suv, a Kangoo and some other stuff.

You seem to have convinced yourself that the concept of DLC existing means they can magically spawn in cars at an instant?

Like, yeah, a perfect reality in my head is perfect. But that's not how they operate, and when it is how they operate - we got Sciroccos and Mini's but now we pay money for them.

We get what PD make - paying money for it doesn't mean they will suddenly make what you want them to make, at best it means we get one themed paid DLC a month (and nothing for free anymore because they can't make cars faster just because we pay for them) and at worst we pay for what are currently regular free updates.

You also wind up half the playerbase because now those people that might be excited for a Kangoo otherwise, or wouldn't care for a GT3 pack - now have a month, if not multiple months, where the game has added nothing they are interested in at all.

It's rubbish all around. Of course if you only go "DLC is good because I get the cars I want" over and over again then you'll think it's a great idea but if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, it sucks.

 

[Lomic]

You are so very correct yet you say like it's some kind of justification. It is very much the same......type of ridiculous.

I just accept the fact that we are simple social animals and prone to irationnal behaviours to interact with others or able to buy some fugitive pleasure. Buying virtual goods or real ones has in many cases the same results. (Of course I am not speaking of investing or buying what's necessary to live).

 

[Mafio]

Have you ever rented movies? Lots of old people have.

I bought a wheel, pedals, made a seat, have SimHub running for shakers, ps5, tv, stereo, headset, $90 GT7, what a waste when it becomes as old as the original NES. What was I thinking…. I still have my PS3 and GT5 and GT6, I don’t play those games or desire to play them. It’s called entertainment.

I spend my money on what I enjoy. Even if I know it’s not permanent, I do have some good memories racing and funny ones and the same goes for other games I’ve played. It may be temporary virtual content, but the memories aren’t temporary. For now anyway, I’ll see what happens in forty years.

I think I get it, most playing Gran Turismo simply don’t want DLC. I’m curious what happens to GT7 content updates when Project Motor Racing and Assetto Corsa 2 releases. I thought something bigger would drop when forza came out, but I suppose GT and Forza are pretty close to the same type of game on a different console, so I shouldn’t have expected much.

This HAS to be a set up of some sort but I'm curious. No way THAT was your example.

And look where that industry is now and I know a 44 year old human didn't just say memories aren't temporary.

 

[Nakano219]

This is one of my biggest gripes with the game. A singular entry from a specific class with no natural competitor. The Toyota hypercar and audi rs5 dtm being the main culprits

For better or worse, Gran Turismo's approach to racing cars has always been closer to getting the hall-of-fame entries from different eras duking it out rather than a full grid of one era (notable exception: early 2000s Super GT, but even that was different liveries on the same three cars).

Looking at Le Mans, for instance, they're much more likely to add a V12 LMR or Audi R8 LMP900 or Peugeot 905 (or 499P, to be fair) that won the race and has a legacy, whereas I imagine they find something like the Lamborghini SC63 that did nothing interesting except "be modern" to be of very little interest.

 

[hawkeyez]

You seem to have convinced yourself that the concept of DLC existing means they can magically spawn in cars at an instant?

Like, yeah, a perfect reality in my head is perfect. But that's not how they operate, and when it is how they operate - we got Sciroccos and Mini's but now we pay money for them.

We get what PD make - paying money for it doesn't mean they will suddenly make what you want them to make, at best it means we get one themed paid DLC a month (and nothing for free anymore because they can't make cars faster just because we pay for them) and at worst we pay for what are currently regular free updates.

You also wind up half the playerbase because now those people that might be excited for a Kangoo otherwise, or wouldn't care for a GT3 pack - now have a month, if not multiple months, where the game has added nothing they are interested in at all.

It's rubbish all around. Of course if you only go "DLC is good because I get the cars I want" over and over again then you'll think it's a great idea but if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, it sucks.

If we want to make more money and be more productive, we hire more people.

We get what we get now because that’s the resources they have.

I get wound up already seeing the update cars, a whole lot of meh usually. Still waiting for “this or that” to go with “this or that” in the game. Hmmm maybe I can hop up this Kangoo to go head to head with the 2J… no thanks.

This HAS to be a set up of some sort but I'm curious. No way THAT was your example.

And look where that industry is now and I know a 44 year old human didn't just say memories aren't temporary.

You said you don’t pay for temporary digital content. You’ve had to rent movies before, it’s no different, you hand somebody money, they give you something to watch, you watch it, and drive it back to them. You paid money for that movie but didn’t keep it. But you had some good memories from watching it with someone.

Yeah, most memories aren’t temporary, some fade sure. As for the movie renting industry, it didn’t disappear, it shifted. We don’t go to the store anymore, we browse from the couch. If you aren’t renting, you’re paying for a streaming service which is essentially renting content.

It wasn’t a setup, I was making a point that people including yourself spend money on a lot of things that are temporary. Eventually you don’t use it or it went to waste… whatever.

But again it depends on the cost, I don’t have all the cars in GT7 yet and I wouldn’t use their current system to buy them because it’s a ridiculous price. I might however if it was a buck to just purchase that one $20,000,000 I don’t feel like grinding for.

 

[Mafio]

Its like good weed, good booze, or good food. None of that lasts very long, and is more expensive than this.

Addicts and overweight people will tell you all that is actually permanent.

 

[Famine]

Hmmm, and I wonder how that could be fixed?

 

[PSN offapple]

Really hope that the "experimenting with auto-generation" mentioned a while ago can speed up the content pipeline, if expanding the development team using DLC money isn't what Polyphony choose to do.

 

[CTRL Garage]

I was expecting it actually, hmmm, a skyline silouhette I wonder if the Zakspeed or 935 is on its way? 2J, maybe we’re finally going to get some more of those relatively unknown cars…

The update is literally doing this, Toyota Celica rally added, then Subaru rally car added, now Lancia rally car from the same era

 

[MatskiMonk]

Idk maybe Im just old, working in finance probably doesn't help either, but permanently paying real money for temporary virtual content is...ridiculous...in the industry as a whole. I know where at the point where thats all people have know their entire lives but, just read that first sentence again. I just can't make myself do that.

Sucks to be you then I guess. I couldn't imagine living a life where the only expenditure I thought was worth making was in the accumulation of non depreciating physical assets.

 

[benjoi84]

I'm certainly no expert, I've never paid for any extras on a game in my life, and my online gaming experience starts and ends with Gran Turismo Sport/7. Nonetheless I have two very prominent thoughts regarding the DLC conversation...

1. We are hugely lucky to be part of a gaming community who are receiving constant updates (included in the original price), over the course of the last two entries to this game, since 2017. Anyone who tries painting this somehow negatively can't avoid coming across as entitled.

2. My entire interest and knowledge of everything car-related stems from playing these games growing up. I'm more than happy to gobble up whatever quirky or out-of-date additions they make to the game, to me it's all part of a tapestry which I've never stopped enjoying. It's impossible for me to transfer my IRL car desires to the game because to me it all comes from GT in the first place.

 

[hawkeyez]

The update is literally doing this, Toyota Celica rally added, then Subaru rally car added, now Lancia rally car from the same era

Great, I’m looking forward to them rounding out the other ones I mentioned, maybe it’s just a matter of time.

1. We are hugely lucky to be part of a gaming community who are receiving constant updates (included in the original price), over the course of the last two entries to this game, since 2017. Anyone who tries painting this somehow negatively can't avoid coming across as entitled.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thankful for the updates, honestly I think without them I would have been done with the game a long time ago, the updates have helped complete the game and fix it, they had some wonky physics from the get go that made me somewhat regret buying it. Drives much better now. I guess it can just be called wishful thinking on my part. I also never pay for extra content in video games, ever. So for me to be suggesting maybe some dlc just comes from feeling like that would maybe respark my interest. I should learn to not hang onto the hopes of what I’d like the updates to be and consider taking a break and come back later to see what I missed.

 

[benjoi84]

Great, I’m looking forward to them rounding out the other ones I mentioned, maybe it’s just a matter of time.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thankful for the updates, honestly I think without them I would have been done with the game a long time ago, the updates have helped complete the game and fix it, they had some wonky physics from the get go that made me somewhat regret buying it. Drives much better now. I guess it can just be called wishful thinking on my part. I also never pay for extra content in video games, ever. So for me to be suggesting maybe some dlc just comes from feeling like that would maybe respark my interest. I should learn to not hang onto the hopes of what I’d like the updates to be and consider taking a break and come back later to see what I missed.

It's funny actually, I've offered to pay someone on this forum for some work they've done on the game regarding Custom Races (they declined), but I wouldn't be happy paying PD/Sony for the same content.

 

[hawkeyez]

It's funny actually, I've offered to pay someone on this forum for some work they've done on the game regarding Custom Races (they declined), but I wouldn't be happy paying PD/Sony for the same content.

I wouldn’t pay them to make sharing custom races an option, I just think that should be in the game.

Too bad they didn’t accept, they could have started something, setting up those custom races just right is almost an art in itself.

Very time consuming, making liveries for all the cars, grinding, buying and tuning all the cars, test driving the race, making adjustments to cars tunes as well as your own and shuffling the starting order. Add a few laps and everything changes. I had a good race setup around five laps, changed it to ten and suddenly I’m smoking the competition, great, back to the drawing board.

 

[Mafio]

Sucks to be you then I guess. I couldn't imagine living a life where the only expenditure I thought was worth making was in the accumulation of non depreciating physical assets.

Then you don't know the type of person that does this.

If we want to make more money and be more productive, we hire more people.

We get what we get now because that’s the resources they have.

I get wound up already seeing the update cars, a whole lot of meh usually. Still waiting for “this or that” to go with “this or that” in the game. Hmmm maybe I can hop up this Kangoo to go head to head with the 2J… no thanks.

You said you don’t pay for temporary digital content. You’ve had to rent movies before, it’s no different, you hand somebody money, they give you something to watch, you watch it, and drive it back to them. You paid money for that movie but didn’t keep it. But you had some good memories from watching it with someone.

Yeah, most memories aren’t temporary, some fade sure. As for the movie renting industry, it didn’t disappear, it shifted. We don’t go to the store anymore, we browse from the couch. If you aren’t renting, you’re paying for a streaming service which is essentially renting content.

It wasn’t a setup, I was making a point that people including yourself spend money on a lot of things that are temporary. Eventually you don’t use it or it went to waste… whatever.

But again it depends on the cost, I don’t have all the cars in GT7 yet and I wouldn’t use their current system to buy them because it’s a ridiculous price. I might however if it was a buck to just purchase that one $20,000,000 I don’t feel like grinding for.

So your "gotcha" justification is a more than 2 decade old failed industry that got replace because something better came along(Not to mention the fact a lot of people WERE KEEPING those movies. At this point I feel for you if you didn't at least get something out of that industry)? Do you even like gaming? What does that even prove? You're still making the bad decision we were making as children and your justification is "Well I've been doing it...". Look do what you want with your money but, "money is power" is a true statement.

 

[TPGRacing75]

This is one of my biggest gripes with the game. A singular entry from a specific class with no natural competitor. The Toyota hypercar and audi rs5 dtm being the main culprits

This is not just an issue with race cars, but some road cars too. For example, we have two early 70s skylines, but no Celica. The Urus also looks kinda lonely without any playmates.

With PD's recent insistence on including pedestrian crossovers, I'm sort of glad in a roundabout sort of way that they put 3(now coming on 4) in the game back to back so we can at least pit like against like in custom race. The CH-R, which wasn't exactly a "great" choice of car to include at least gained some purpose now that the CX-30 and CR-V are there to rival it in a head to head showdown of motoring mediocrity.

Nothing drives me nuts more than a car without a proper sparring partner. Without a proper GT mode structure to "force" usage of certain vehicles, thus requiring us to dabble in custom races to make use of them, it can be difficult to properly fit certain vehicles into a competitive setting. The existence of proper rivals gives a starting point to jump off from, especially with cars that sit in the margins for one reason or another.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Then you don't know the type of person that does this.

Probably quite likely as meeting people often requires spending money on temporary things during intangible or fleeting experiences that leave you with no physical assets - like meeting someone for drinks, or going out for a meal. If they're not doing that... <shrug>

 

[hawkeyez]

So your "gotcha" justification is a more than 2 decade old failed industry that got replace because something better came along(Not to mention the fact a lot of people WERE KEEPING those movies. At this point I feel for you if you didn't at least get something out of that industry)? Do you even like gaming? What does that even prove? You're still making the bad decision we were making as children and your justification is "Well I've been doing it...". Look do what you want with your money but, "money is power" is a true statement.

I’m not trying to “gotcha”, I’m saying, you may think it’s dumb to spend money of temporary virtual content, but others do not and whether you admit it or not, you have and are spending money on temporary things in every day to day life.

MastskiMonk puts it very well, it’s called, experiences. That’s what life is all about. We don’t buy DLC because it’s some kind of asset, we buy it to add to our experience (if the pricing is fair). You don’t have to be able to hold things in your hands to get some kind of value out of it. We bought it because we wanted it, it’s how we wanted to spend our money.

My parents used to rent a vcr and a pile of movies for Sunday evening. It was family movie night and I cherish those memories. We looked forward to that greatly. They don’t own any of that stuff they rented, nor did they care. I have nothing I can physically hold from those movies nights but my memories, which aren’t temporary, some have faded, but they sometimes comeback.

They were creating memories for us kids and as a family, and experience that sticks. Buying a dlc can have the same affect. Heck, my friends and I always say we’re sitting the next Call of Duty out, then somebody cracks and gets it, so we all do and it’s a running joke that we can’t hold out. We log on together and have a ton of fun… and then the game we said we weren’t going to buy eventually gets deleted off our systems for the next.

Life isn’t just about having physical assets lol

Probably quite likely as meeting people often requires spending money on temporary things during intangible or fleeting experiences that leave you with no physical assets - like meeting someone for drinks, or going out for a meal. If they're not doing that... <shrug>

I don’t think he gets it.

 

[Chris30]

It's funny actually, I've offered to pay someone on this forum for some work they've done on the game regarding Custom Races (they declined), but I wouldn't be happy paying PD/Sony for the same content.

It would hopefully be different car content and some new tracks introduced to the game and gt8. Why did they decline your offer. The ideas weren't original enough?

 

[Kriptical]

Addicts and overweight people will tell you all that is actually permanent.

Are you an overweight addict?

Are you arguing, the behavior of the least common denominator, should govern us all?

 

[ScottPuss20]

Nothing wrong with wanting GT to be like other racing games, nothing wrong with wanting other racing games to be like GT. Project Motor Racing is on the way and I’m really hoping we get a livery editor that’s even half as good as GT’s.

People like you are the reason why soo many racing games are soo similar!

Idk maybe Im just old, working in finance probably doesn't help either, but permanently paying real money for temporary virtual content is...ridiculous...in the industry as a whole. I know where at the point where thats all people have know their entire lives but, just read that first sentence again. I just can't make myself do that.

Then you don't know the type of person that does this.

Well if that's the case then you won't spend money on "temporary" items like food, right? What a strange argument to make.

 

[Chris30]

Not every racing game will be like Gran Turismo. We don't know that for sure. It doesn't have cop chases like the NFS games do. So that is not true that people would want all racing games to be like GT. NFS was too much for me honestly so I quit playing the NFS: Heat game back in January 2023. Some missions and cop chases got too tense for me and I got really mad and frustrated with the game. That was the main issue I had with it.

 

[shahrad]

Does gr7 have a problem? Because when I try to play the game I get error ce-222032.

 

[Fezzik]

Does gr7 have a problem? Because when I try to play the game I get error ce-222032.

I think that code is related to a missing/incomplete update. Try "check for updates" from the dashboard or game library.

 

[Fezzik]

Online Multiplayer Weekend – we’ll have an Online Multiplayer weekend this Saturday and Sunday (June 28 at 12:01am to June 29 at 11:59pm local time) where all players can join online multiplayer matches with no PlayStation Plus membership required.

for anyone without PS Plus who would like to sample the questionable delights of Sport Mode

 

[tankuroded]

Halfway through the year, shared content stats from all 14 cars featured in the updates from January to May up to today:

• F3500-A hits the 100 page limit in styles and both types of photos, with Carry also doing so in styles only and Kangoo looking forward to do so.
• EF Civic is the second-highest non-meme car in the top 5 of average shared content.
• Japanese SUV trio hovering at average of 15 pages - despite CX-30 being more tunable as a non-hybrid, it hovers around the same numbers as the hybrid C-HR and CR-V. This does confirm the sentiment against crossover SUVs, though.
• In average, January to May cars all have around 57 pages of styles, 53 pages of scapes, 31 pages of race photos, and 12 pages of replays (as they can be difficult to upload). These average to around 38 pages for all cars and content types.
• The C5 Corvette is currently the sole American car added this year.

This is one of my biggest gripes with the game. A singular entry from a specific class with no natural competitor. The Toyota hypercar and audi rs5 dtm being the main culprits

When I heard this issue regarding the Alfa 155 DTM, I somehow jumped to the conclusion that that particular car might as well not be in the game.