Gran Turismo - Open World Freeroam? (Read OP)

[Strittan]

Because we can and we do? Chill down.

That's not an answer. I am chilled.

Seriously, I can't see the fun in just driving around an area with traffic, and sidewalks with barriers everywhere.

Free roaming in GTA is fun simply because you can do what you want where you want how you want. In Gran Turismo it doesn't make sense though.

If you want to get to know the car you buy, what's wrong with time trail/free run at the race track? That's where you really get to know the car anyway.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

That was not really the point

I did get your point. I just disagree that the racing is near perfect and I also disagree with the direction you would want a GT free roam game to go. If they were to make a free roam game, then IMO, they should focus on making the racing good first, before trying to make it into a traffic simulator too.

 

[SpeedyishOlly]

Congratulations, your b-spec traffic warden has reached level 30!

 

[Griffith500]

That's not an answer. I am chilled.

Seriously, I can't see the fun in just driving around an area with traffic, and sidewalks with barriers everywhere.

Free roaming in GTA is fun simply because you can do what you want where you want how you want. In Gran Turismo it doesn't make sense though.

If you want to get to know the car you buy, what's wrong with time trail/free run at the race track? That's where you really get to know the car anyway.

It doesn't have to be like GTA, it doesn't have to have traffic or barriers. "Free roam" is an expression with broad meaning, not a genre description...

 

[Wolfercz]

That's not an answer. I am chilled.

Seriously, I can't see the fun in just driving around an area with traffic, and sidewalks with barriers everywhere.

Free roaming in GTA is fun simply because you can do what you want where you want how you want. In Gran Turismo it doesn't make sense though.

If you want to get to know the car you buy, what's wrong with time trail/free run at the race track? That's where you really get to know the car anyway.

Well, maybe there are some people who do see fun in that. Some people simply enjoy this kind of chill out features and even whole games based on that, as train simulators for example. GT is more about cars than racing to me, anyway.

 

[Samus]

The poll result scares the heck out of me. Why on earth do you guys want this!?

The poll results are pretty skewed because those that do want it open the thread and vote, those that don't mostly won't even open a thread like this and vote. The way I look at it is only ~600 people on GTP want this out of all the active members, it's not a lot and hopefully (from my point of view) time isn't spent on it because it is still a niche.

 

[Strittan]

It doesn't have to be like GTA, it doesn't have to have traffic or barriers. "Free roam" is an expression with broad meaning, not a genre description...

I was replying to Wolfercz's suggestions.

Well, maybe there are some people who do see fun in that. Some people simply enjoy this kind of chill out features and even whole games based on that, as train simulators for example. GT is more about cars than racing to me, anyway.

Oh yeah, these train simulators are great fun I hear, they've also sold millions of copies, right?

What are you saying though? That driving legally on a street with traffic in your way is more fun than driving as fast as you can on a race track? You should get a drivers license and do it in real life then. Trust me, it's not as fun as it may seem.

The poll results are pretty skewed because those that do want it open the thread and vote, those that don't mostly won't even open a thread like this and vote. The way I look at it is only ~600 people on GTP want this out of all the active members, it's not a lot and hopefully (from my point of view) time isn't spent on it because it is still a niche.

Yeah, I hope you're right.

 

[Wolfercz]

I was replying to Wolfercz's suggestions.

Oh yeah, these train simulators are great fun I hear, they've also sold millions of copies, right?

What are you saying though? That driving legally on a street with traffic in your way is more fun than driving as fast as you can on a race track? You should get a drivers license and do it in real life then. Trust me, it's not as fun as it may seem.


Yeah, I hope you're right.

Why are you being so offensive? I simply stated my opnion and what I would like the game to have. BTW, I think I know better what I enjoy and what I don't.

 

[Griffith500]

The poll results are pretty skewed because those that do want it open the thread and vote, those that don't mostly won't even open a thread like this and vote. The way I look at it is only ~600 people on GTP want this out of all the active members, it's not a lot and hopefully (from my point of view) time isn't spent on it because it is still a niche.

Yeah, well, I hope you don't get anything you want either...

Whilst there's nothing wrong with people who don't want this sort of thing commenting and contributing in this thread (I personally welcome them wholeheartedly), there is little use for them to say "I don't want it, so it shouldn't be in" because the game isn't being made for them alone, and that sort of assertion just isn't going to stick anyway. Equally, "I don't want it" with no qualification or elaboration of any kind does nothing but soothe the ego of the commenter.

Finally, the "I'd rather the effort went elsewhere" comments are also nonsensical given our complete detachment from the development process and therefore lack of knowledge of any "effort" whatsoever. Instead, "I'd rather see X feature, because [personal relevance based on past experiences, probably]" would be better.

More thought for and consideration of others would help all around.

I was replying to Wolfercz's suggestions.

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You're still ignoring the bigger picture. I don't much like the style or feel of those suggestions made, but that's not an argument against "free roam", that's an argument against those specific things.

I really doubt that kind of thing would ever be included in a proper GT game, but that doesn't mean some kind of free roaming won't.

 

[Samus]

It's more "I don't want it and it's still very much a niche area of gaming so I don't personally think PD should spend a large amount of time on it." This is different to my opinion on something like drag racing that personally I also don't really want it but I appreciate it's very popular and so I think it should be featured better in GT6.

 

[another_jakhole]

There is NO denying that there are online lobbies for free roam/cruising, cops + speed limits online since GT5 released as a "full" game. Don't say it's still a niche market for free-roam to be implemented into any future GT game. There are seemingly more lobbies with assists and SRF enabled, so what does that tell us? People want variety and freedom to do what they want with this original idea for a game we call "Gran Turismo: The Real Driving Simulator". I've got around 19,000 miles clocked in while being at a B-Spec level of 4 or 5. I don't necessarily use GT5 for racing, I use it for driving.

ALSO, if I see a thread with a poll that I don't agree with, I'll vote Nay. Assuming on how people vote on thee GT fan forum of the internet, which is what you were doing, doesn't show that you're seriously logically and rationally stating your assumptions/opinions/observations; it's completely misleading to anyone who takes your view(s) seriously. Just take it ALL in and see where I'm coming from.

Edit- Last edited by another_jakhole; Today at 3:33 PM.

The second paragraph was mostly added after you were making your post, sooooo we'll see what's up.

 

[Samus]

But are there enough to constitute what will obviously be a huge amount of time creating something like this? I wouldn't have thought so, a few online lobbies doesn't give any indication of widespread interest.

Assists and SRF take a whole less time to implement than a whole free roam section.

 

[counter345]

Can I just mention that there is nothing more relaxing than finishing a long race, and joining a casual cruise lobby with people following laws. It allows me to focus on actually the car itself, the speed I'm going, the graphics, other people, and the surroundings.

"Yes..." bunch of immature kids. Please, do GT a favor and go back to your smash, dash, then crash, your self, arcade racing games.

Insulting people based on what kind of gameplay they like is rude and a big mistake.

 

[another_jakhole]

Can I just mention that there is nothing more relaxing than finishing a long race, and joining a casual cruise lobby with people following laws. It allows me to focus on actually the car itself, the speed I'm going, the graphics, other people, and the surroundings.

PERIOD 👍

 

[Spazmaticality]

"Yes..." bunch of immature kids. Please, do GT a favor and go back to your smash, dash, then crash, your self, arcade racing games.

 

[saxplayer1998]

I personally want one or two accurate city scapes to drive around in. With traffic and all, cops is still a grey area for me. You could be able to choose traffic levels and if cops are present. I just don't want chases. I want it to feel professional without childish games, but still to have a level of fun value.

 

[maxpontiac]

I voted yes. Why? Because as in real life, sometimes driving around for the sake of driving around is what I like.

Putting the aforementioned with Gran Turismo seems like a logical choice to me.

 

[Youngun]

On the ps4s spec both freerom and circuit racing is possible on a large scale.

 

[thelvynau]

On the ps4s spec both freerom and circuit racing is possible on a large scale.

You are probably right but they have alot to fix before thinking about this

 

[Strittan]

I still think it sounds pathetic to put something like this in a GT title, but that's me. It's just not what Gran Turismo is to me, and I still don't see the point.

Imagine PD putting a huge amount of time into making a city, realistically working traffic etc etc, and all you can do is just drive around, then drive around some more, and then it turns out only a fraction of the GT fan base are using this feature. Way to waste developing time then.

 

[Ranman20]

I still think it sounds pathetic to put something like this in a GT title, but that's me. It's just not what Gran Turismo is to me, and I still don't see the point.

Imagine PD putting a huge amount of time into making a city, realistically working traffic etc etc, and all you can do is just drive around, then drive around some more, and then it turns out only a fraction of the GT fan base are using this feature. Way to waste developing time then.

Agreed. But anything can happen. I wasn't expecting horizon last year but Forza did it. So GT may follow the trend. A lot of game company's follow trends. Duke numen tried to do vehicles like halo but they failed badly.

 

[HamXa]

this idea is really overrated so i voted no. only fun for a little while. gt series should not in any way or form encourage driving fast on public roads. please dont turn this into another Horizen.

 

[Fazerfan]

I have been wanting it so long so yes. Now i am having a dream that i am driving Audi RS7 (Premium) or Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 (Premium) in 50 people online lobby in Manhattan.

 

[another_jakhole]

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[another_jakhole]

"Yes..." bunch of immature kids. Please, do GT a favor and go back to your smash, dash, then crash, your self, arcade racing games.

Ignorant caveman, did you read any of what the members posted in this thread?

I voted yes. Why? Because as in real life, sometimes driving around for the sake of driving around is what I like.

Putting the aforementioned with Gran Turismo seems like a logical choice to me.

On the ps4s spec both freerom and circuit racing is possible on a large scale.

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I'm even more hopeful that this will come to be knowing that the PS4 will be...epic?

You are probably right but they have alot to fix before thinking about this

Fixes that have nothing to do with creating a free-roam/open-world, enormously large-scaled track.

 

[another_jakhole]

this idea is really overrated so i voted no. only fun for a little while. gt series should not in any way or form encourage driving fast on public roads. please dont turn this into another Horizen.

So what do track days on "real" race tracks do? It's not the same thing? IMO it is, seeing it from your perspective, which isn't rational since we're talking about a "game" here. "Grand Theft Auto" games make people want to be violent?

I still think it sounds pathetic to put something like this in a GT title, but that's me. It's just not what Gran Turismo is to me, and I still don't see the point.

Imagine PD putting a huge amount of time into making a city, realistically working traffic etc etc, and all you can do is just drive around, then drive around some more, and then it turns out only a fraction of the GT fan base are using this feature. Way to waste developing time then.

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There is NO denying that there are online lobbies for free roam/cruising, cops + speed limits online since GT5 released as a "full" game. Don't say it's still a niche market for free-roam to be implemented into any future GT game. There are seemingly more lobbies with assists and SRF enabled, so what does that tell us? People want variety and freedom to do what they want with this original idea for a game we call "Gran Turismo: The Real Driving Simulator". I've got around 19,000 miles clocked in while being at a B-Spec level of 4 or 5. I don't necessarily use GT5 for racing, I use it for driving.

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Agreed. But anything can happen. I wasn't expecting horizon last year but Forza did it. So GT may follow the trend. A lot of game company's follow trends. Duke numen tried to do vehicles like halo but they failed badly.

I'll just leave that alone.



Triple post. Damn, I'm rusty.

 

[Griffith500]

I still think it sounds pathetic to put something like this in a GT title, but that's me. It's just not what Gran Turismo is to me, and I still don't see the point.

Imagine PD putting a huge amount of time into making a city, realistically working traffic etc etc, and all you can do is just drive around, then drive around some more, and then it turns out only a fraction of the GT fan base are using this feature. Way to waste developing time then.

What makes you think only a fraction of the "fan-base" (never mind the total sum of actual players...) would use it, whatever it actually might be, according to PD's "vision"?

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on nothing but your own personal prejudice.

But are there enough to constitute what will obviously be a huge amount of time creating something like this? I wouldn't have thought so, a few online lobbies doesn't give any indication of widespread interest.

Assists and SRF take a whole less time to implement than a whole free roam section.

Open-world (please consider that term in the broadest sense) games are far from niche appeal, and they're not even that rare, either. SRF just helps people colour in between the lines a bit better / more easily, whereas a more open mode of play for GT would actually remove invisible barriers. I think that's worth a bit more effort. Whether you think GT is the right game for that is irrelevant, Kaz does (and has stated as much), plus there are possible inklings of the future of this idea in GT5 already...

 

[HamXa]

So what do track days on "real" race tracks do? It's not the same thing? IMO it is, seeing it from your perspective, which isn't rational since we're talking about a "game" here. "Grand Theft Auto" games make people want to be violent?

track days is responsible enough track racing because it is official signed consent by drivers coupled with racing etiquette.

leave aside the ethical side of implementing such a feature.(that's not my point)

i agree it is a nice feature to be included where it fills up this small market wanting better cruises/meet ups

but i don't favor to stray PD's development vision(and time) away from closed track racing

just my opinion

 

[another_jakhole]

track days is responsible enough track racing because it is official signed consent by drivers coupled with racing etiquette.

leave aside the ethical side of implementing such a feature.(that's not my point)

i agree it is a nice feature to be included where it fills up this small market wanting better cruises/meet ups

but i don't favor to stray PD's development vision(and time) away from closed track racing

just my opinion

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Although, Kaz started all this out in order to make a car game, not a racing game. It's not a fact or opinion, but based on the many many and many more interviews and such that I've seen.

Karting was meant for GT6. And Polyphony Digital have created a motorcycle game since '96, so keep that in mind.

 

[Strittan]

What makes you think only a fraction of the "fan-base" (never mind the total sum of actual players...) would use it, whatever it actually might be, according to PD's "vision"?

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on nothing but your own personal prejudice.

I don't know how many would use it, and neither do you, and if it turns out to be few PD have wasted years doing something that only a few people enjoy. I say years, because if you really want them to make a city and I suppose you want it to be decent size, and more or less realistic as well, that's not something PD throws together over a weekend.

Also, as I said I don't see the point. Let's say they do make a city, with traffic and stuff. What then? You drive around, then drive around some more. I'd be bored to death after 15 minutes tops.

No matter what the slogan says, Gran Turismo is a racing simulator, and driving around in a city is not what racing simulators are about in my opinion.