GT4 General Discussion and Questions

[Crispy Badger]

Look guys, this is the simple truth. Everyone says that they like to have a "great race", but the truth is, we love winning a great race. Thats what Polyphony Digital is dealing with. Human beings like to win, but they don't like to feel like it is handed to them. So, yes I agree, the mindless AI drones are boring, but PD isn't going to do a damn thing about unless two things happen: 1) People realize that racing, like life, is hard, and people lose, and things fall apart, or 2) They develop an extremely (and I mean extremely) variable AI that adjusts to the player (either with player controlled sliders, or some kind of adaptive AI).

Perhaps it is just me, but I would rather lose a race and think that it was either because I didn't drive it well enough or that the car wasn't capable of winning. What we find in GT is that you can drive slow laps at the start and then nip past at the end to win. Then you do the same race, lapping 5 seconds a lap quicker and you lose it at the finish, because the AI adapts. I would prefer to have the AI drive consistently, so if I am losing races that other people are winning, I know it is just me that needs the practice. But that is just a personal preference.

Of course it is a tough job for PD to find the right balance and they need to allow for all abilities to enjoy it, but it is not that aspect that bothers me. It is the fact that the AI drive the circuit as if you weren't there. This was one of the main problems with GT3 and it appears that it is about the only thing they haven't improved. Still, who am I to say what PD should do. They have done an amazing job with these games and I can't wait to get to my hands on the new one.

 

[Dave A]

Adaptive AI wouldn't adapt that quickly, it would be from race to race, as you get better the AI gets better an so on, not all during one race though.

I agree that if the AI drove like you were there the races could be a lot more fun, I know I'd spend a lot more time making closely matched races.

 

[GTguy40990]

Are the physics any better in GT4 from GT3. GT3 was very realistic as it was, does GT4 get even more realistic or no?

 

[Dave A]

GT3 wasn't all too reslistic, it was just the benchmark for console racing games at the time, GT4 is more realistic and much better for it, but it's still not as real as GTR.

 

[dumb20]

Hi, i've got a question about tracks. Does Le Sarth means Le Mans? Is it 13 KMs long? THX

 

[Dave A]

Yes the chicaned and unchicaned versions are in and it is the tracks raced at in the LeMans 24hr. But the track in real life isn't called LeMans, it's LeSarth. LeMans is just the name of the race.

 

[alistair]

This is a general discussion thread for all Gran Turismo 4 anticipants.

I want customized second hand car lots. Something like Eddy's Exotics or Bargains by Barry.

I am a new member to this site, my name is alistair. I am going to buy GT4 as soon as I can, and begin using it. I will soon be setting up a team - dedicated to getting decent cars and winning races, anyone who wants to join this super team is more than welcome!
You will find at first that I conduct intense testing - I'll post the lap times so we can compare - and we can also also set up challenges, eg. one day test at the Nurburgring and post the times. I look forward to a prolonged time with GT4 and look forward to racing with you guys online.

 

[alistair]

you dont have to unlock
it is available right from the start
it is inside power and speed
but you will never able to do drag race on it

Hi - I am new to this site, and I am going to get GT4 as soon as I can. I am an avid fan, and will be setting up a super team on GT4 as soon as I can, dedicated to winning races, and pushing cars to the greater glory of their company name.
I will first be conducting some intense testing, I will post the lap times. I look forward to racing with you, sharing tips on racing, etc, and also taking part in challenges.
Looking forward to a long period of time here with GT4.
Alistair, 16.

 

[Dave A]

Welcome to GTP alistair.

 

[dumb20]

Yes the chicaned and unchicaned versions are in and it is the tracks raced at in the LeMans 24hr. But the track in real life isn't called LeMans, it's LeSarth. LeMans is just the name of the race.

Thank you for your answer! Budapest loves you!

 

[Patrik]

Can someone please answear one or two questions?

1. Is the AE86 Trueno avalible in black?

2. If you can put a roll cage into the car, can you see it then?

Please answear, thanks

 

[Robin]

oooh.......and can I also ask what is the name of that tuner car that has blue neons on it, that is in GT4

I saw a pic of it somewhere around here......the one with the blue grille lights...

 

[gt4 racer]

answer me this..... why si the ponitac vibe aclled a toyota voltz??????????
http://z-o-g.org/gt4cars/japanese/toyota-voltz-s-02.jpg

 

[Robin]

answer me this..... why si the ponitac vibe aclled a toyota voltz??????????
http://z-o-g.org/gt4cars/japanese/toyota-voltz-s-02.jpg

Because toyota developed it and sold it to the american market under pontiac (or the other way round).......this has happened with many cars in the past......one I can think off is the mazda 121 which was a ford fiesta.....

 

[Dave A]

oooh.......and can I also ask what is the name of that tuner car that has blue neons on it, that is in GT4

I saw a pic of it somewhere around here......the one with the blue grille lights...

It's the Blitz skyline.

 

[Robin]

It's the Blitz skyline.

cheers 👍 .....

 

[Timothy]

Hello, i'm new here, and I've got a couple of questions...

First of all : is the BMW 120d the only diesel-car in the game?

Second : Can you put down tiremarks? (braking, burn-outs...)

Third : If you buy a car, and then sell it, is it for 25% of the new - value? (I mean, if it costs 2000000, it will give you 500000 second-hand?)

I still have to wait for 30 more days, Since I live in Europe (Belgium) and I can hardly wait to ruin my social life again

Thanks for the answers, and, don't mind my writing since I don't use English that often

 

[Dave A]

Firstly welcome to GTP, I hope you have a good time here.

1 I think so, I've not noticed any others.

2 No you can't leave tyre marks.

3 Yes the cars sell for 25% of their initial value like GT3.

 

[TEK[R]]

No matter how well PD makes the AI, it will never compete with the skill of a human driver. It is our own ability to adapt to changing situations that makes great races legedary. It will prabably be PS7 before AI could reproduce that, but even then it will still feel like somethings missing.
Thats why I can't wait to get my hands on "4" with it's online mode. I could care less about AI, I have to improve my skills to beat all of you guys.

-dat boy off tha Berry block Tek 9

 

[Timothy]

Live4speed, thank you for your fast reply

Man, have you guys have any hints to make the waiting less painfull? I already started again with GT3...

 

[Dave A]

Other than browsing free porn, nope. ;D.

 

[Timothy]

Other than browsing free porn, nope. ;D.

Lol.. I have another question..

A don't know if it stands here already (i know there can be no visual damage to your car), but can you ruin you car? Sort of blow your engine, break your gearbox, kinda stuff like that..

The only reason why i'm asking this is that used cars have a km marking. Does it have any influence on the car?

 

[Dave A]

The higher the KM the more the engines past it's peak power output, it's like in GT3 once your car hit a certain distance the power started to lower, not by much and it didn't keep on lowering it just went down by a small percent.

Theres people claiming to have blown engines on these boards in GT4, I've never experienced or seen it happen though.

 

[listerstormgt4]

I want the BMW 645Ci and M6!!!



I hope they have a huge "airport" track where we can roam around in our cars in a HUGE area and stuff around. That would be fun

Wet weather for it would also be a must have option too.

Like NFSU:2

 

[listerstormgt4]

I hope I complete GT4 before I complete GT3A-Spec.

 

[Darts]

I hope I complete GT4 before I complete GT3A-Spec.

Euuh, why?

 

[Patrik]

Can someone please answear one or two questions?

1. Is the AE86 Trueno avalible in black?

2. If you can put a roll cage into the car, can you see it then?

Please answear, thanks

hard question? cant someone just answer??? pleeeease... i woul be so greatful! come on! please answer...

 

[Mr. McShake]

I read in other fourms that you can't see the roll cage.

 

[Patrik]

ok thats bad job by PD...

 

[santapod123]

changing the subject but does anyonne think that the prices of some cars are a bit un realistic e.g the aston martin db9 cost's over 160,000 were as in real life its only around £100,000 and the vanquish is over 230,000 i think and in england today u can buy it for around £160,000 is its unrealistic or based or based on dollars.