GT4 will be near perfection

[Bedhead]

The main advantage the PS2 has over any computer is that the platform will always be the same. PCs have so many possible configurations that the code has to be a compromise. The best PC games just make less of a compromise...

Now, the PS2 is better than the XBOX or Gamecube because there are so many developers working with the PS2. Granted, most games are crap, but there will be crap games on any system. I learned the lesson of developer support the hard way -- I bought N64, a vastly better "machine" than the PSX, but how many N64 games will you remember 10 years from now?

Really though, hardware is all fine and dandy, but it's all development.

And CobraGT...I knew what you were saying...


Bedhead

 

[moshter11]

in my opinion, i think the graphics in gt3 was so good..i think they should keep it the same and add more features...gt3 graphics wouldnt mind at all

 

[Glut]

Originally posted by Bedhead
The main advantage the PS2 has over any computer is that the platform will always be the same. PCs have so many possible configurations that the code has to be a compromise. The best PC games just make less of a compromise...

yes and no. Having a variety of hardware used to make lots of annoyances for programmers. (Tandy in particular should be shot for making products not quite compatible with anyone elses products )
However the recent (or not so recent depending on how far you want to take it) introduction of APIs for gaming purposes gives a common instruction set for all hardware manufacturers to implement. Manufacturers do so and then distribute drivers.
So the drivers and API are always being updated. And they're all independant, so upgrading one doesn't affect any of the others (to a certain extent).

On a console there's less misdirection. You go hardware->drivers->APIish->Software. But you know that the first 3 will always be the same, right? so in effect hardware->software.
On a PC you do the whole kit and kaboodle. The difference is on a console you can only optimise your own code, but on a pc you always have others optimising their own parts for you. And if you're big (ala valve) you can crack your whip and tell them when to optimise (eh Nvidia?)
Because of the intense competition in the marketplace, there is a constant flow of driver upgrades.

So I actually think that not having similar hardware on all machines, which was once a big disadvantage, is now an advantage of the pc over the console. there are less compromises as everyone is optimising all the time.

Now, the PS2 is better than the XBOX or Gamecube because there are so many developers working with the PS2. Granted, most games are crap, but there will be crap games on any system. I learned the lesson of developer support the hard way -- I bought N64, a vastly better "machine" than the PSX, but how many N64 games will you remember 10 years from now?

Really though, hardware is all fine and dandy, but it's all development.
Bedhead

I agree. The graphics on the N64 blew me away, but I bought a PS1 because of GT2.

in my opinion, i think the graphics in gt3 was so good..i think they should keep it the same and add more features...gt3 graphics wouldnt mind at all

You may not mind, but in the eyes of the buying public PD knows it's got to at least keep up with the current crop of car games, or exceed them. It's not only them, but also new console buyers to convince.

 

[code_kev]

The n64 graphics blew you away? WTF. The N64 was a VERY weak console, its poly counts were pathetic, and the only way anything looked smooth was by using masses of aa. The n64 did suck though, it had like 3 good games, and those crappy pads *shudder* which last about 5 minutes before the analog stick dies. The n64 certianly wasn't the power house nintendo wanted people to think it was.

Plus whats wrong with the GC and Xboxes dev support? Both machines have loads of quality games coming out, or allready out, so I think your wrong, plus quality over quantity people. The PS1 had a totally forgetable game line up through-out its whole life, there are only 4 games on the system I think I'd remember in 10 years time, mgs, bushido blade, ff7 and GT. I allways prefered my sega saturn, less games, but they were fantastic.

Games run as well as they do on a ps2 because they are optimised for that system. Imagine what GT4 could look like say, if it was optimised for a top o the range pc and that pc alone.

over and out!

 

[Bedhead]

Originally posted by code_kev
The n64 graphics blew you away? WTF. The N64 was a VERY weak console, its poly counts were pathetic, and the only way anything looked smooth was by using masses of aa. The n64 did suck though, it had like 3 good games, and those crappy pads *shudder* which last about 5 minutes before the analog stick dies. The n64 certianly wasn't the power house nintendo wanted people to think it was.

Dude, compared to the consoles at the time the N64 had waaaaaay better graphics. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok, Starfox, Mario, the first Zelda... The N64 paved the way for CRISP graphics made from sharp polygons. How many times have I played a PSX and found myself staring at a wall where I could count the blocks...? Too many. After the N64 people got rid of fog, it was a sweet console.

Plus whats wrong with the GC and Xboxes dev support? Both machines have loads of quality games coming out, or allready out, so I think your wrong, plus quality over quantity people. The PS1 had a totally forgetable game line up through-out its whole life, there are only 4 games on the system I think I'd remember in 10 years time, mgs, bushido blade, ff7 and GT. I allways prefered my sega saturn, less games, but they were fantastic.

What's wrong with the dev support? If you want a game that will feature the colour pink, buy a gc. If you want a PC port, buy an XBOX. The PS2 is nice because (usually) there are games made for the PS2 -- and PS2 only...but this sort of thing is super hard to quantify I will admit. It just seems that way. And it also seems that the only reason XBOX games are any good is because Microsoft bought developers to work with their system...Rare, anyone...?

Games run as well as they do on a ps2 because they are optimised for that system. Imagine what GT4 could look like say, if it was optimised for a top o the range pc and that pc alone.

But then three people would be able to play GT4. Besides, do you think a company that takes like 300 pictures of every car they put in a game and countless others of the tracks and scenery is going to choose a platform that won't support their ambitions and requirements??? As far as I'm concerned, we're lucky to have Polyphony Digital. They're an amazing company that could probably pack up and take down the Sony flags from their office and go work for Gates...

Now that is a sad thought... Well anyhow, most of the stuff in this thread is subjective, so flame away!

Bedhead

 

[code_kev]

I wont even bother to write a long response as the points you made are utter crap.

n64 = blur-athon to hide crap graphics

dev support on all consoles is brilliant, all 3 are getting triple A titles, your biased view just stops u from seeing this.

And you missed my point about optimisation, plus Im sure gt4 would be better if it was on the pc.

 

[Majarvis]

The shot that cobragt posted is not a render, it's an in-game shot. Look at the jaggies, and the 2D-wheels. If you can't tell that is right from the game, and not rendered, you have some serious problems...

 

[Dave A]

It's a PC render of an ingame pic, ofcourse it's got 2d wheels and a few jaggies, the fact is it looks alot better than the ingame shots of GTC, GT4 will look better than GTC, but only slightley, and mainley in the backgrounds not the cars.

 

[cobragt]

Here's a pic of gtc, I see alot of improvements in gt4

 

[code_kev]

glancing at that piccy i actually thought it was a gt4 shot until i read it lol. cobra gt, it looks exactly the bloody same you spanner, infact, i want you too tell me what looks so different between concept and 4, because all i can see are minor differences, slight tidy ups here and there.

http://www.multifunktion.com/PGR2/Stingray/stingray.wmv

mmmmmm drool

 

[cobragt]

That's a nice vid, nothing compared to gt4 though. The car models are crap imo, no realism, looks too CG.

 

[code_kev]

crap...well graphically it beats all the gt4 vids ive seen...can you point me in the direction of a gt 4 vid that looks better plz as i have quite a few and non look that nice.


http://www.multifunktion.com/PGR2/F360/F360.wmv

heres another why not nice to see the comptition

 

[cobragt]

Sry, I don't have know any amazing looking gt4 vids online but I do have some on desk top. You can it looks better all you want, I could care less but everyone agrees gt4 looks way more realistic than pgr2 would ever look. PGR2 has arcade graphics which don't look realistic at all, I know so many ppl who said they though some gt4 pics were real. Haven't heard anyone say pgr2 fooled them, that's life, maybe you should get one. Just a suggestion

 

[code_kev]

Gt4 looks like a game, anyone who thinks otherwise is either blind or retarded. In your case cobraGT i think its a combination of both. Anyone who is fooled into thinking it looks real needs to LEAVE their darkened room, and take alook at what the outside actually looks like, you will then see that GT4 doesn't look that realistic. Hell go and look at some real cars...suddenly GT4 doesnt look too real eh. No game looks real, and no game will for a long time.

this is too help you cobragt

one of these is real, guess which one

yes i know they are different types of delta, but i think it gets my point across

 

[battle_stage]

Ummm, yeh.... That's just common sense. But as far as games go, GT4 looks real.

 

[Dave A]

Originally posted by cobragt
Sry, I don't have know any amazing looking gt4 vids online but I do have some on desk top. You can it looks better all you want, I could care less but everyone agrees gt4 looks way more realistic than pgr2 would ever look. PGR2 has arcade graphics which don't look realistic at all, I know so many ppl who said they though some gt4 pics were real. Haven't heard anyone say pgr2 fooled them, that's life, maybe you should get one. Just a suggestion

Are you for real, how the hell can you say PGR2's graphics arn't realistic, the cars dimensions are spot on, but it has a higher polygon count and a higher resolution. PGR2 looks ace, it's graphics are better than GT4's, and this is from a guy who has played both. And the only person I know of who thinks a GT4 pic is real is you, all my mates have eyes and an IQ of more than 2.

 

[code_kev]

looks crap imo, no human element to it at all!

 

[cobragt]

You know, it's really sad when you bash someone because they don't see your way, you ppl are taking this too serious. I think it's sad, maybe you that bashed me should read your posts over, is all that call for? Ok what ever, you can say what you want about me, it's all good, gt4 looks photorealistic and it will be the best racer ever.

 

[code_kev]

cobra we bash you for 2 reasons

1. Your claims are so funny and over the top
2. Your responses are even funnier

oh im on a role, lets make it 3 reasons!

3. Its fun

CobraGt, you rock, keep on posting man!

 

[cobragt]

Live, I don't care if pgr2 has ever bit of detail on its cars, it does not match up to gt4's models. GT4 looks very realistic, agree or not but calling some else stupid that you know nothing about shows you are smart.

 

[cobragt]

Code, are you a little 15 year older or what, what's so funny, do you even have a life? You mention my name in every post of yours, you need some ass kid.

 

[code_kev]

"Live, I don't care if pgr2 has ever bit of detail on its cars, it does not match up to gt4's models"

that makes no sense. A less detailed model is LESS detailed. Less detail does not make a game look better you moron, it means it looks WORSE. Gt4s models are very good anyway, PD have made em look pretty realistic for a game considering the hardware, but compare the screenshot i posted to any gt4 ones, and the difference is quite apparent. Ofc gt4 looks ace still, no doubting that, so dont flame me for slagging off gt4 you pimps

"Code, are you a little 15 year older or what, what's so funny, do you even have a life? You mention my name in every post of yours, you need some ass kid."

cobra i feel the need to mention you so much, as your brilliant, your posts bring a ray of light to my life! I need some ass? thank you for the offer, but my ass is ok, i do not need anymore. Im not actually 15 either, im 19. Judging by your typing skills, and skill (or lack of) with the english language, id say you were about 10, am i right?

 

[cobragt]

w/e kid, gt4's models look better and more realistic. Do you know what an opinion is? What's your buff with me anyway, are you unsure about your se;f or something? What are you trying to prove? Just end it here and lets get back on topic, I'll never win a fight with a fool you know?

 

[lsk8er]

And perhaps you should consider laser eye surgery(cobragt).

 

[cobragt]

BTW, that porsche model is a joke, sry but if anyone thinks that model compares to the detail of this

They need help and the funny thing is, that pic ain't even ingame Oh you are a idiot, keep it up kid

 

[cobragt]

This is ingame and is the latest pic from compandvideogames.com

Hmm, this game is just like Ridge Race Evo, the ingame graphics are crap but the replay gets a slight graphics upgrade, that's sad.

 

[code_kev]

oh wow, cobra gt finds a bad quality screenshot of pgr2 lol

well in that case...

I am now going to judge GT4 on this one poor quality screenshot, as I have the mentality of a fool.

Cobra my point is that bad quality, pixelated j-pegs dont really mean anything, you know and I know that the screen shot you printed doesn't exactly represent how the actual game looks, nor does the one GT4 screenshot above. Having actually played pgr2 i can say that I found it too be very smooth and sharp.

"but the replay gets a slight graphics upgrade, that's sad"

/me dies laughing

You actually think it gets a graphics upgrade for the replays...omfg you actually MORE stupid then I thought!

And that pic is posted isnt in game? What is it then? Out of game? At least my screenies are actually running off an xbox, not dev shots off a high end pc. That model on the screeny I showed is amazing! Look at the fricking wheels, and the sheer detail and smoothness of it!

this post is not putting GT4 down, so don't moan at me.

 

[Majarvis]

The graphics in any XBOX game will of course be slightly better, because it's more powerful, and can handle higher polygon shapes, and larger textures. It still renders at the same resolution as the PS2, because of course they both use a TV, but the PS2 does a pretty damn good job in comparison when you consider how much more powerful the XBOX is.

 

[cobragt]

That gt4 pic I post looks way more realistic, if that pgr2 has so much detail as you claim why doesn't it look so realistic. Looks like crap to me.

 

[code_kev]

Thats because your blind and/ or stupid.