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[BWX]

Are any news out their beside the 4k discussion?

What.

 

[ch3ng]

What.

News about GT. We discuss about Next Gen at the moment.

 

[BWX]

Will not happen.

What ''will not happen''?

 

[ch3ng]

What ''will not happen''?

Ah. A PS4 with the latest GPU and a 1000$ price.

You said:

I think it's fairly obvious how powerful the PS4 will be if it come out sometime in the next 12 to 24 months. Look at the biggest, baddest, fastest GFX cards you can find on nVidia's or ATi's (AMD now) websites.

It'll have at least that kind of power, but will need a little bit more, by maybe 10 to 20%, so people will feel justified buying it for $1000, instead of the latest GFX card for their PC. Obviously made up $$ numbers.. just a guess. But anyway.. history predicts the future.

 

[Earth]

I always thought that when the new Play Station comes out, it is usually equal to or a little better than the current highest-end PC, at least in terms of GFX capabilities such as fill-rate, memory bandwidth, antialiasing and anisotropic filtering capabilities, etc.

Just go back and look at the PS2 and the latest GFX cards the year that came out, same for PS1, and X-Box/ 360.

I think it's fairly obvious how powerful the PS4 will be if it come out sometime in the next 12 to 24 months. Look at the biggest, baddest, fastest GFX cards you can find on nVidia's or ATi's (AMD now) websites.

It'll have at least that kind of power, but will need a little bit more, by maybe 10 to 20%, so people will feel justified buying it for $1000, instead of the latest GFX card for their PC. Obviously made up $$ numbers.. just a guess. But anyway.. history predicts the future.

The Nintendo Wii was a game changer. It's low price really hurt the more powerful but more expensive Playstation and Xbox. Because the economy is not doing well its rumored that Sony and Microsoft will not introduce systems with a graphical leap not as impressive as previous generations to save money and increase sells.

On another topic, with some brief research I think I figured when Gran Turismo 5's develoment started. When you're making a new racing game you want to add all the cars that are current for that year first.

So I put in order all the premium cars by year. What I found was that these 5 years had more premium cars then any other year. The next closest was 2002 which had 11 premium cars. So I believe develoment on Gran Turismo 5 started in earnest during 2006. That puts development time for GT5 at roughly 4 years, not 6 as many assumed.

It also let me know Polyphony Digital is capable of modeling about 50-60 cars per year. Now its possible they have improved their technique or hired more people so that number could have gone up.

25x 2006
27x 2007
35x 2008
16x 2009
31x 2010

 

[BWX]

Ah. A PS4 with the latest GPU and a 1000$ price.

You said:

Yeah I said ''Obviously made up $$ numbers.. just a guess. But anyway.. history predicts the future.''

-- Meaning price, who knows? But performance? Again.. I gotta look to past to predict future, that's all I'm saying.

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The Nintendo Wii was a game changer. It's low price really hurt the more powerful but more expensive Playstation and Xbox. Because the economy is not doing well its rumored that Sony and Microsoft will not introduce systems with a graphical leap as impressive as previous generations to save money and increase sells.
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Well that would suck.

The Wii has horrible outdated GFX though. I bet each Microsoft and Sony want the other to THINK that they're going to put out inferior tech., hoping the other will put out a next gen console with poor GFX.

I just can't see Sony not trying to have the biggest and best for a while again.

I hope you're wrong.

 

[ch3ng]

Yeah I said ''Obviously made up $$ numbers.. just a guess. But anyway.. history predicts the future.''

-- Meaning price, who knows? But performance? Again.. I gotta look to past to predict future, that's all I'm saying.

The past predict not everything. For example:

PS2: Worst hardware compared to GC and Xbox
PS3: Best Hardware conpared to the competition.

I guess the price will be 400-550$. Sony has financial problems and they'll not make a 700-1000 $ console with the latest GPU.

 

[BWX]

The past predict not everything. For example:

PS2: Worst hardware compared to GC and Xbox
PS3: Best Hardware conpared to the competition.

I guess the price will be 400-550$. Sony has financial problems and they'll not make a 700-1000 $ console with the latest GPU.

Um, I'm talking about Playstation compared to PC GFX cards of the year it came out, not PS compared to X-Box/ GQ/ other.

I just remember when I'd build a PC around the time the PS came out in the past, I noticed a pattern.

Again, I hope I'm right and you're all wrong!

 

[ch3ng]

Um, I'm talking about Playstation compared to PC GFX cards of the year it came out, not PS compared to X-Box/ GQ/ other.

I just remember when I'd build a PC around the time the PS came out in the past, I noticed a pattern.

I know. But i gave you an argument that you can't rely on the past, because it can't predict anything.
Only a few things, but they can still change.

You would buy a 700-1000$ console? Ok that's fine you can buy what you want, but a console like this wouldn't sell well and the Publisher wouldn't support it. They want a plattform which sells well.

 

[BWX]

I know. But i gave you an argument that you can't rely on the past, because it can't predict anything.
Only a few things, but they can still change.

You would buy a 700-1000$ console? Ok that's fine you can buy what you want, but a console like this wouldn't sell well and the Publisher wouldn't support it. They want a plattform which sells well.

As I recall Sony took a loss on every PS3 sold for quite a while, so maybe $1000 was what I said.. a made up number. I said I'm not trying to predict price. What I'm talking about is GPU performance.

 

[ch3ng]

As I recall Sony took a loss on every PS3 sold for quite a while, so maybe $1000 was what I said.. a made up number. I said I'm not trying to predict price. What I'm talking about is GPU performance.

Yes of course. But the PS3 didn't had the latest GPU Generation and the PS1 and 2 did get a Slim model. PS1 was called PSone i think.
After the Slim model the Next Gen arrived 0-2 year later.

But not with the PS3 Slim. We still wait. That destroy's your "past predict" - argument. And it is only one example that can destroy it.

 

[BWX]

Yes of course. But the PS3 didn't had the latest GPU Generation and the PS1 and 2 did get a Slim model. PS1 was called PSone i think.
After the Slim model the Next Gen arrived 0-1,5 year later.

But not with the PS3 Slim. We still wait. That destroy's your "past predict" - argument. And it is only one example that can destroy it.

You destroy nothing. You harsh my mellow. Me destroy your destroy.

Seriously though, PS slim has nothing AT ALL to do with it.

You can rage all you want about destroying arguments. You just make me laugh now, I'm not saying I'm god and am omnipotent like you are.

 

[BlisteredHand]

They want a platform that sells well over 10 years, not one that sells well in the first few months due to it's low price and then fails due to not being powerful enough to play decent games in 5 years time.
The PS4 will be very powerful, and reasonably expensive.
I can see Sony being comfortable with low sales for the first year or so, it will build in the long term. If they don't wish to invest as much money or are unable to then they will not subsidise it as much as the PS3 was, meaning relatively it may be more expensive at launch than the PS3 was.

 

[ch3ng]

You destroy nothing. You harsh my mellow. Me destroy your destroy.

Seriously though, PS slim has nothing AT ALL to do with it.

You can rage all you want about destroying arguments. You just make me laugh now, I'm not saying I'm god and am omnipotent like you are.

Well. I do not rage and i know that "destroy" was the wrong word, but i couldn't find another one. My english writing is not good.

Seriosly though i confirmed twice that your "future predicts" arguement is false.

They want a platform that sells well over 10 years, not one that sells well in the first few months due to it's low price and then fails due to not being powerful enough to play decent games in 5 years time.

Just one word:
Cloudgaming

This will be the future. Sadly. The PS4 will be powerful but will not use the latest GPU.

I can see Sony being comfortable with low sales for the first year or so, it will build in the long term. If they don't wish to invest as much money or are unable to then they will not subsidise it as much as the PS3 was, meaning relatively it may be more expensive at launch than the PS3 was.

I don't think so. They can't afford to do another bad launch. In my opinion they'll sell the console for 400-550$ with loses. That mean's they will sell the console again under the production costs.

 

[BWX]

The only thing I really wished they would do is make it possible to upgrade RAM in the future. It's so cheap, but look at the smoke and jagged shadows we're stuck with. If we could only double the RAM like in a PC, or even laptops.

 

[ch3ng]

The only thing I really wished they would do is make it possible to upgrade RAM in the future. It's so cheap, but look at the smoke and jagged shadows we're stuck with. If we could only double the RAM like in a PC, or even laptops.

If you look in the past additionel hardware never sell well.

Most of the customer would get angry and the developer too. There is a reason why people buy a console instead of a computer. If you want the latest GPU and upgradeable RAM buy a PC.

In my opinion a computer is better for you

I have an idea. Why not wish that they make 4-8gb RAM in the PS4 at launch?

 

[BWX]

Well. I do not rage and i know that "destroy" was the wrong eord, but i couldn't find another one. My english writing is not good.

Seriosly though i confirmed teice that your "future predicts" arguement is false.

Dude, no. You didn't. The second you brought up slim versions and $1000 (cost) you lost. I'm talking about GPU performance related to PC GFX cards. But that's ok. I wasn't even trying to ''win'' or argue. Like I said twice already with a freaking happy face, I hope you are wrong.

Maybe I'll compile a bunch of evidence for you related to GFX cards and PS power. Probably not though.

 

[BWX]

If you look in the past additionel hardware never sell well.
I have an idea. Why not wish that they make 4-8gb RAM in the PS4 at launch?

Because in that regard Sony has always been a cheapskate! But their GPU's kick booty. But of course I wish for 8GB system RAM.

EDIT EDIT. Ok you just wrote a bunch of other stuff in the post I quoted above.

You ADDED:

Most of the customer would get angry and the developer too. There is a reason why people buy a console instead of a computer. If you want the latest GPU and upgradeable RAM buy a PC.

In my opinion a computer is better for yo

I said latest GPU? No, I said RAM.
Developers would LOVE extra RAM, just RAM, not ''latest GPU'' like you said.

I've been building PCs for years.. so I'm not gonna buy a PC instead.. I'm talking about a slot in the PS4 for upgrading RAM, not that far-fetched.

You're going to force me to hide you're comments which are more and more troll-ish by the minute.

 

[ch3ng]

Because in that regard Sony has always been a cheapskate! But their GPU's kick booty.

I know. But they should turn their brains on and integrate more RAM at launch.

I mean why do some people want to pay for a problem which the company made? I just don't understand this.

Maybe Sony should make a PS4 with CD drive, memory card, 512mb Ram and sell additionel hardware.

I have nothing against you.

 

[TankAss95]

I don't understand this sorcery.

 

[BWX]

I know. But they should turn their brains on and integrate more RAM at launch.

I mean why do some people want to pay for a problem which the company made? I just don't understand this.

Maybe Sony should make a PS4 with CD drive, memory card, 512mb Ram and sell additionel hardware.

I have nothing against you.

Ok, I'm sure you'll add 7 more sentences to this post I'm quoting... but anyway..
Yeah, now you're just trolling.

If Sony make the PS4 with 4 GB RAM, we can upgrade to 8 in the future, if they make it with 8, we could upgrade to 16. 16GB? Upgrade to 32GB.

You're troll rant about CD drives, 512mb RAM, and memory cards just proves to me you're a troll, so welcome to my ''ignore'' list. 👎

 

[gamerdog6482]

Yeah, now you're just trolling.

You're troll rant about CD drives, 512mb RAM, and memory cards just proves to me you're a troll, so welcome to my ''ignore'' list. 👎

👍

 

[ch3ng]

You're troll rant about CD drives, 512mb RAM, and memory cards just proves to me you're a troll, so welcome to my ''ignore'' list. 👎

I'm not a troll. I just don't want upgradeable hardware. And the past show that additional hardware for console don't sell well. I mean hardware that increase the power of a console.

I think a company should learn from their mistakes and DON'T earn money with it.

If additional hardware would sell well we would get a bad hardware at launch. They wouldn't sell the console with losses anymore because customer would be stupid enough to buy additional hardware.

 

[gamerdog6482]

I'm not a troll. I just don't want upgradeable hardware. And the past show that additional hardware don't sell well.

I think a company should learn from their mistakes and DON'T earn money with it.

If additional hardware would sell well we would get a bad hardware at launch. They wouldn't sell the console with loses anymore because customer would be stupid enough to buy additional hardware.

There are a LOT of people out there who get there entire PS3 experiance from aftermarket stuff, so saying that upgradeable hardware is wrong is wrong. And do you have any proof that upgradeable hardware in the PS4 would mean bad hardware at launch?

 

[BWX]

Thank God.. Some one else can deal with this weasly troll for a while! LOL. Good luck with that!

 

[ch3ng]

There are a LOT of people out there who get there entire PS3 experiance from aftermarket stuff, so saying that upgradeable hardware is wrong is wrong. And do you have any proof that upgradeable hardware in the PS4 would mean bad hardware at launch?

Additional hardware didn't sell well in the past.

Yes i have a proof. What wants a company? Money.

At the Moment they sell hardware with losses, because the hardware needs to be powerful and customer already showed that they're not willing to buy additional hardware which increase the power.

Sony and MS sell a cards for the Vita and Xbox HDD with crazy prices. They didn't integrate them at the beginning, because customer buy them.

If we would buy RAM or a HD-DVD drive, which the customer didn't they would sell them as additionell content.

They care about money and search new ways to earn more money.

They already do it. GT Paint pack which is a result for a bad paint system. Now they can earn money with it. Or DLC for AC2. They cut 2 episodes and sold them.
They would cut RAM to sell it.

Some Publisher cut content to sell it and i think companies would cut hardware to sell it. For example RAM.

Thank God.. Some one else can deal with this weasly troll for a while! LOL. Good luck with that!

Not true. You said it twice, but it is still not true.

 

[gamerdog6482]

No, they wouldn't. They would do exactly what they did last time. Develop and release what they think people will buy, and when they realize that isn't enough, make it smaller and the HDD bigger. It's what they did with the PS1, it's what they did with the PS2, it's what they did with the PS3, and it is certainly what they are going to do with the PS4, and PS5, and PS6, and whatever comes after that. That wan't change because Sony is still Sony, and the PlayStation is still the PlayStation.
I also don't understand how money could want a company, or why you say you have proof and then don't give any.

 

[ch3ng]

No, they wouldn't. They would do exactly what they did last time. Develop and release what they think people will buy, and when they realize that isn't enough, make it smaller and the HDD bigger. It's what they did with the PS1, it's what they did with the PS2, it's what they did with the PS3, and it is certainly what they are going to do with the PS4, and PS5, and PS6, and whatever comes after that. That wan't change because Sony is still Sony, and the PlayStation is still the PlayStation.
I also don't understand how money could want a company, or why you say you have proof and then don't give any.

They couldn't sell RAM with the PS1-3 because customer don't buy it.

Does the Vita have a integrated flash memory? I don't think so. Why? Because they can sell cards.

Sony never cut something to earn more money? Proof it.

 

[gamerdog6482]

Question. Can you prove that they did? You say you can, but you don't supply any proof. You are a troll.

 

[Zuku]

I will say I still want the ability to put in a bigger HDD anything else isn't really necessary. Especially if everyone has the same PS4/5/6 for the most part.

As for the DLC that's a totally different thing though it's here to stay hopefully not in the current form like what happened with Assassin's Creed 2.



To clarify my post from yesterday I still feel as though people make a huge deal about graphics I don't want 480p because only on HDTV's it looks like crap, but on older TV's it doesn't look like bad at all.

On the same token give me a game like Uncharted 2 that was native 720p and looked far better than most games I played so far on PS3. The only other game that looked better and was an HD remake was Wipeout HD. Cause if I'm not mistaken it is native 1080p it might as well be for how good it looked.