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[ch3ng]

Question. Can you prove that they did? You say you can, but you don't supply any proof. You are a troll.

I'm not a troll.Vita needs for some games memory and Sony didn't integrate internal memory. They did sell expensive cards instead.
Isn't this interessting?

You can think what you want. But companies want to earn money and use everything to do it.

And i gave you a proof that companies cut content to sell DLC for games. AC2 for example.
Why not RAM if they could. But customer showed in the past that they don't buy it.

 

[thelvynau]

If they added the ability to upgrade hardware it will have system requirements and with that a reduction in sales of games much better if they know it will work on every console.

 

[gamerdog6482]

I will say I still want the ability to put in a bigger HDD.
On the same token give me a game like Uncharted 2 that was native 720p and looked far better than most games I played so far on PS3. The only other game that looked better and was an HD remake was Wipeout HD. Cause if I'm not mistaken it is native 1080p it might as well be for how good it looked.

The ability to swap HDDs shouldn't disappear, it was a well-used ability and Sony knows that.
Uncharted 2 looked very good, but practically everything was 1-sided because of it. GT5 doesn't do that. If UC2 had managed 1080p it would be a much better experiencing for me. I'm still trying to get over how good FFXIII would look in 1080p, but they never managed to do that.
Graphics matter, always and forever. It's why I'm never going to buy another Nintendo, I really can't play games in 480i anymore. I tried playing GT4 in 1080p. It didn't work very well.

 

[BlisteredHand]

I tried playing GT4 in 1080p. It didn't work very well.

What do you mean you played GT4 in 1080p? Are you trolling?

 

[gamerdog6482]

GT4 was one of the very few (if not only) PS2 games that could output 1080p to an HDTV.

 

[thelvynau]

What do you mean you played GT4 in 1080p? Are you trolling?

Im pretty sure you can play gt4 on 1080p or was it 1080i?

 

[theotherspongey]

What do you mean you played GT4 in 1080p? Are you trolling?

I think he meant 1080i.

 

[shirakawaa]

Of course it was "only" upscaled to that resolution.

 

[TwistedView]

I think before we worry about hardware upgrades and graphics, Sony needs to concentrate on building a solid and stable platform made with quality parts and good quality control. It's a shame there are so many cases of YLOD cases. Just my two cents.

 

[gamerdog6482]

But NEARLY as many as RRODs on Xboxes.

 

[thelvynau]

But NEARLY as many as RRODs on Xboxes.

I think that was mostly on the older 360s

 

[Spagetti69]

What's this got to do with GT5.

Oh and attack the point not the poster whilst your all at it.

 

[TwistedView]

But NEARLY as many as RRODs on Xboxes.

True, but since we are on this GT5 page, I only mentioned the PS3 issue. I just feel that it wrong to charge so much for these systems when build quality is so poor.

 

[Zuku]

Gamerdog

So you'd play FFXIII in 1080 at 60fps given how bad the game overall was? This shows to me you care too much about graphics when it's the about the game as a whole.

Look at it this way games like GT5/GTA IV/Midnight Club LA those games remind me of why you never focus exclusively on graphics because you spend all your time trying to perfect it, and then once it gets released you realize holy **** I never put in enough Gameplay elements.

This is why there is so much backlash on GTA IV, FFXIII, and other games of those types.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I think before we worry about hardware upgrades and graphics, Sony needs to concentrate on building a solid and stable platform made with quality parts and good quality control. It's a shame there are so many cases of YLOD cases. Just my two cents.

What Sony need is a console with an external PSU, and better cooling design with better ventilation and bigger heat sink. Most YLOD cases were due to overheating, the solution for current PS3 is pretty simple, run the PS3 with top cover off -put it back when it's not running. With enough room space, reasonable ambient temperature, it can run it all day for weeks, the fan won't even kick in to high speed. Unfortunately opening the top cover part will void the warranty

 

[gamerdog6482]

Who cares about the warranty! I mean, I thought it was mandatory to do exactly what the warranty says not to do!

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

You're right, I never really cared about warranty, that's why I tend to open all kinds of stuff and mess with them, not breaking them of course Anyway here is how I run my PS3 daily, let's wish PS4 won't need this kind of measure to cool it off

Running without the top cover - fan is always in low boot up speed

For added cooling at the rear PSU vent, I added a reverse blow USB fan that sucks out hot air ( taken from a notebook cooling pad fan ), a great investment.

Cleaning is simple, take out the fan and PSU, use a can of compressed air and dry cloth.

With this I can run GT5 all day long without worrying heat problems, ever

 

[gamerdog6482]

I just use an ice pack to cool mine off.

 

[Tornado]

I always thought that when the new Play Station comes out, it is usually equal to or a little better than the current highest-end PC, at least in terms of GFX capabilities such as fill-rate, memory bandwidth, antialiasing and anisotropic filtering capabilities, etc.

As I recall Sony took a loss on every PS3 sold for quite a while, so maybe $1000 was what I said.. a made up number. I said I'm not trying to predict price. What I'm talking about is GPU performance.

Because in that regard Sony has always been a cheapskate! But their GPU's kick booty.

Maybe I'll compile a bunch of evidence for you related to GFX cards and PS power. Probably not though.

Go ahead. Compile the evidence you think you have. I think you'll find the notion that the PS line has always been as powerful graphically as the most powerful PC's available at launch to be a ridiculous one, let alone using that as justification that the next one will be too as a result. The PS3 shipped with a year old, midrange GeForce 7-series when the GeForce 8 series was hitting store shelves at the same time. The XBox 360, with its better standalone GPU that launched a year earlier, also wasn't top of the line when it came out.


Consoles aren't designed to be the best of the best when they hit the market. They are designed to be long-legged development platforms developers can feel comfortable working with for long periods of time.

The only thing I really wished they would do is make it possible to upgrade RAM in the future. It's so cheap, but look at the smoke and jagged shadows we're stuck with. If we could only double the RAM like in a PC, or even laptops.

There are a LOT of people out there who get there entire PS3 experiance from aftermarket stuff, so saying that upgradeable hardware is wrong is wrong. And do you have any proof that upgradeable hardware in the PS4 would mean bad hardware at launch?

Upgradable hardware and aftermarket peripherals aren't even remotely the same thing.

Question. Can you prove that they did? You say you can, but you don't supply any proof. You are a troll.

Prove what? That Sony has never cut hardware to lower development costs? It was common knowledge that the PS3 originally had 512MB of system RAM, and some of the early dev kits even had it. Sony chopped it down to 256 at the last minute. The original PS3 show models had twin HDMI, twin ethernet and more USB ports than even the CECHA model. Where did those go?

And where are all those features that the PS3 launched with? BC? Card readers? SACD support? Other OS? Are you telling me that Sony chopped those out for giggles rather than to lower the price of manufacture?



And you're still going to claim that in order to keep costs down, Sony won't cut some things in the system's development if it deems that they are expendable?

I think before we worry about hardware upgrades and graphics, Sony needs to concentrate on building a solid and stable platform made with quality parts and good quality control. It's a shame there are so many cases of YLOD cases. Just my two cents.

Future Sony hardware power is at least tangentially related to the future of the GT franchise (though in all honesty this is all completely off-topic and I expect a moderator to move it).

Future Sony hardware reliability is not, and you are overstating your case anyway.










And for something else:

You're going to force me to hide you're comments which are more and more troll-ish by the minute.

Ok, I'm sure you'll add 7 more sentences to this post I'm quoting... but anyway..
Yeah, now you're just trolling.

You're troll rant about CD drives, 512mb RAM, and memory cards just proves to me you're a troll, so welcome to my ''ignore'' list. 👎

Thank God.. Some one else can deal with this weasly troll for a while! LOL. Good luck with that!

You are a troll.

Him giving you detailed explanations of why you're wrong and extreme examples to make a point and you not understanding them does not make him a troll, so stop giving him the 3rd Degree.

 

[obsessive rules]

Bored now.... Seems pd went underground.

Next dlc (guessing) will be Indianapolis NASCAR/ reverse layout.

 

[gamerdog6482]

Prove what? That Sony has never cut hardware to lower development costs? It was common knowledge that the PS3 originally had 512MB of system RAM, and some of the early dev kits even had it. Sony chopped it down to 256 at the last minute. The original PS3 show models had twin HDMI, twin ethernet and more USB ports than even the CECHA model. Where did those go?

I know all this. What I was saying is Sony did NOT take all this stuff away to sell it later for a profit.

And where are all those features that the PS3 launched with? BC? Card readers? SACD support? Other OS? Are you telling me that Sony chopped those out for giggles rather than to lower the price of manufacture?

No. I am not saying that, and I don't know why you would think I am.

And you're still going to claim that in order to keep costs down, Sony won't cut some things in the system's development if it deems that they are expendable?

Never in ANY of my posts did I claim this either.

Your interpretation of what I said is completely wrong.

 

[Tornado]

I know all this. What I was saying is Sony did NOT take all this stuff away to sell it later for a profit.

So what happens when Sony develops the PS4 and revises the amount of RAM in the system to a lower number? If they turn around and offer RAM upgrades in the future at a profit to offset that, they would be doing exactly that.


And since they would be doing exactly that, the incentive to make the system a little bit weaker than they ordinarily would so they can gain it back on the backend (while profiting in both instances, both from lower initial costs and money brought in from the upgrades) does exist. And Sony and their constantly-switching proprietary flash formats with wider profit margins show that the precedent can be argued to exist.

 

[Jordan]

Gentlemen, that's enough debate over the PS3/PS4 hardware in this topic. If you want to continue this discussion, please do so in the Console & PC Gaming Forum.

 

[ch3ng]

Sorry made 2 post.

 

[ch3ng]

Go ahead. Compile the evidence you think you have. I think you'll find the notion that the PS line has always been as powerful graphically as the most powerful PC's available at launch to be a ridiculous one, let alone using that as justification that the next one will be too as a result. The PS3 shipped with a year old, midrange GeForce 7-series when the GeForce 8 series was hitting store shelves at the same time. The XBox 360, with its better standalone GPU that launched a year earlier, also wasn't top of the line when it came out.

Consoles aren't designed to be the best of the best when they hit the market. They are designed to be long-legged development platforms developers can feel comfortable working with for long periods of time.

Upgradable hardware and aftermarket peripherals aren't even remotely the same thing.

Prove what? That Sony has never cut hardware to lower development costs? It was common knowledge that the PS3 originally had 512MB of system RAM, and some of the early dev kits even had it. Sony chopped it down to 256 at the last minute. The original PS3 show models had twin HDMI, twin ethernet and more USB ports than even the CECHA model. Where did those go?

And where are all those features that the PS3 launched with? BC? Card readers? SACD support? Other OS? Are you telling me that Sony chopped those out for giggles rather than to lower the price of manufacture?

And you're still going to claim that in order to keep costs down, Sony won't cut some things in the system's development if it deems that they are expendable?

Future Sony hardware power is at least tangentially related to the future of the GT franchise (though in all honesty this is all completely off-topic and I expect a moderator to move it).

Future Sony hardware reliability is not, and you are overstating your case anyway.

And for something else:

Him giving you detailed explanations of why you're wrong and extreme examples to make a point and you not understanding them does not make him a troll, so stop giving him the 3rd Degree.

Thx 👍

Good post. I agree. Maybe i couldn't describe it good enough, because my english isn't good.

I know all this. What I was saying is Sony did NOT take all this stuff away to sell it later for a profit.

I explained why they didn't do it with the PS1-3 because the past showed that additional RAM don't sell. The customer don't buy it. I think Sega or Nintendo sold additional RAM?

MS sold a HD-DVD drive and it didn't sold well. The companies are aware that customer don't want additional hardware which increase the power or a new disc drive. And the PSPGo showed that customer do not want a digital only console.

But if the customer would buy it companies including Sony will take this advantage to...

So what happens when Sony develops the PS4 and revises the amount of RAM in the system to a lower number? If they turn around and offer RAM upgrades in the future at a profit to offset that, they would be doing exactly that.

And since they would be doing exactly that, the incentive to make the system a little bit weaker than they ordinarily would so they can gain it back on the backend (while profiting in both instances, both from lower initial costs and money brought in from the upgrades) does exist. And Sony and their constantly-switching proprietary flash formats with wider profit margins show that the precedent can be argued to exist.

👍

 

[obsessive rules]

I shall be back when there's news, for now I'm sick of This debate.

Tootles!

 

[gamerdog6482]

i shall be back when there's news, for now i'm sick of this debate.

Tootles!

+1

 

[ch3ng]

I shall be back when there's news, for now I'm sick of This debate.

Tootles!

I have to agree. Sorry if I annoyed someone, because we disscused off topic.

Kaz or Yamauchi give us some news.

 

[GTPorsche]

Next dlc (guessing) will be Indianapolis NASCAR/ reverse layout.

Why would that even be reasonable? There's no difference in the oval between NASCAR and Indycar.

 

[Parker]

Why would that even be reasonable? There's no difference in the oval between NASCAR and Indycar.

I'm fairly sure that was a sarcastic remark.