GT5p vs GRID (First, and only, take)

[GTP_Cobra]

Well im standing my ground on this one, the problem is you've played GT for too long just try changing that game once in a while and have some fun which is what gaming is about.

Personally if you like the (toca series, race driver series, CMR series) then you should love this, to those of you thinkin of buying it

But everyone has there own veiws and everyone is to there own style enough said and done!

your friend Cobra

 

[homeforsummer]

Well im standing my ground on this one, the problem is you've played GT for too long just try changing that game once in a while and have some fun which is what gaming is about.

Personally if you like the (toca series, race driver series, CMR series) then you should love this, to those of you thinkin of buying it

But everyone has there own veiws and everyone is to there own style enough said and done!

your friend Cobra

Were you referring to my comment or the rather less eloquent comment DONK wrote? If you like GRID then good on you, everyone has their own preferences 👍

Don't assume though that I'm a GT diehard through and through with no capacity for other racing games, I'm as likely to judge GRID against GT as I am to judge it against any of the NFS games, all the previous TOCA, RD and CMR games, proper arcade racers like Outrun and the Ridge Racer series, and masterpieces like MarioKart. And against all of those, my opinion is that GRID is a poor game. Arcade games don't necessarily equal fun too, I have more fun playing GT than virtually any other racing/driving game

I'd be careful recommending GRID to the uninitiated though based on comparisons with the other TOCA, RD and CMR games. As many, many comments on this thread have proved, both the GRID lovers and haters admit that it's a very different game to it's predecessors. The only game it really has great similarities with is it's sister, DIRT.

If you like the other TOCA and RD games then you certainly aren't necessarily going to like GRID 👍

 

[GTP_chemicaL]

GRID's CRAP!!!! Simple answer straight to the point.

Agreed.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

I have to say I ripped this game when I first tried it, to the point of getting banned from the CM forum for being a little too vocal I guess. However....

I've been playing it now for about two weeks straight. There is more to the game than most people here are looking at when it comes driving. Not a lot, but enough to make a difference when playing it. One thing I notice is that most people who deadpan the game only actually play either the demo or they only play it for a short period. You have to drive these cars for more than a day or so to get used to how they drive, and they do drive kinda weird for sure.

A few things I've noticed with most of the cars.

When you first take on your first lap the cars handle really crappy, they seem to under steer a lot. After a lap there is a definite difference in how the car corners once the tires 'warm' up. And same goes for the longer races, your car gets sloppier and get loose in corners for sure.

If you are a curb pounder, on longer races your car's suspension goes away for sure, this is how I drive and I notice it all the time.

People have a real hard time taking off in this game, you can see new players spinning around and having trouble when cornering at slow speeds, much like any high torque car, they are twitchy in the lower gears. Granted the whole 'floaty' thing CM did in GRiD kinda over enhances that but that's the game.

The damage on the cars while not real world is still good, I've had people just clip the front end of my car and you can feel the car start pulling immediately. Likewise I can bump someone too hard from behind a totally screw up the steering. I do wish certain things were a little more realistic but again that's the game.

Both GT5P and GRiD are driving video games, the bottom line is you either know how to play and drive or you don't. If you're good then you should be able to adapt, the whole argument about comparisons are BS. The whole game playing universe knows they are different and CM is not claiming to be competing with GT5 as the same style of game. With the right people GRiD is a blast, just like GT5P can be and it takes effort to win or even do well and not in some arcade way either. You have to apply racing tactics, you can't just fling the car around or you'll very quickly be in the gravel, and unlike GT5P it acts like real gravel.

Pointing and saying GRiD sucks is kinda stupid given the long long list of things wrong with GT5P as far being a 'SIM' goes. And don't give me the whole 'prologue' thing, if it wasn't ready for game play they shouldn't have released it.

I'm not trashing GT5P, I can't wait for the full version to come out. I'm trashing the goobers that get all FB and frothy about how bad GRiD is and how it's soooo crappy and sucks and can't touch GT5. To you I say perhaps as a gamer it's you that sucks. Because if you can't figure out how to play new games or games that are a little different then, well as gamer.......you suck and you're not.

( stepping off soapbox and going to race... )

 

[czechmate]

I have to say, I've played just about every sim out there in the last 15 years.. Never been a fan of arcade racers until the pgr series but even then I wished it was more sim than arcade.. I've been playing GRID for 2 weeks now and to this day I have never played a game that made me feel like I was in a race as much as this one.. Sim or not the races I've had playing GRID have been the most exciting,entertaining and intense races I have ever had on any game online or offline...

I cant believe it myself but I actually have no desire to throw in GT5 instead of GRID atm... You get an amazing sense of driving the cars in GT5 but when it comes to racing and creating a racing atmosphere.. GRID wipes the floor with GT5.

GRID IMO is the best "racing game" I have ever played...

 

[DKX]

I haven't played GT5P but I have played Grid and I must say its fun for a little while. I got bored after a few races and started seeing how far i could make my cars flip and roll. I'm guessing that GT5p is pretty much the same as GT4 so im saying that Grid is fun if you like crashes but other then that stick with GT5p

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Grid is fun if you like crashes but other then that stick with GT5p

When you're racing online that doesn't even enter into, it's not like you get some amazing replay. So no, if you're playing GRiD for that then you'll probably be a little disappointed. In online racing you crash pretty much like any other game, well it's a little more stylish..

It's the damage aspect that makes the game, when you're too aggressive and run up on someone and accidentally hit the back of them and your steering goes, believe it not it actually feels good because that's what way it should be. If GT5 doesn't have anything comparable as far as damage goes, I can't see any reason I'll be playing it online that's for sure. I don't want a time penalty for running into someone or something, I want my car to go away in some way.

 

[Biggamehit]

I play online a lot in the drift mode... met some cool, funny guys.. however most guys see GTP tag in my name and start talking GT5P, i refer most of the guys to this site.... i have superstar status lol and always coaching someone on how to properly drift. the Chat function is very very fun..

as for the grip part of the game ............. F-That... i don't even play my career mode.


is funny to hear..... " GT GT GT GTP GTP, man how to you slide on the straights like that.... .... GT how did you get a 74 multiplier"

its all fun bro's i stop trying to defend GT years ago... we all know what the deal is

 

[GTP_Cobra]

Were you referring to my comment or the rather less eloquent comment DONK wrote? If you like GRID then good on you, everyone has their own preferences 👍

Don't assume though that I'm a GT diehard through and through with no capacity for other racing games, I'm as likely to judge GRID against GT as I am to judge it against any of the NFS games, all the previous TOCA, RD and CMR games, proper arcade racers like Outrun and the Ridge Racer series, and masterpieces like MarioKart. And against all of those, my opinion is that GRID is a poor game. Arcade games don't necessarily equal fun too, I have more fun playing GT than virtually any other racing/driving game

I'd be careful recommending GRID to the uninitiated though based# on comparisons with the other TOCA, RD and CMR games. As many, many comments on this thread have proved, both the GRID lovers and haters admit that it's a very different game to it's predecessors. The only game it really has great similarities with is it's sister, DIRT.

If you like the other TOCA and RD games then you certainly aren't necessarily going to like GRID 👍

Im not here to point the finger at no one or to start conflicts, but rather saying that just give GRID a chance.
im not one for words as we all know, but (Sa!!yz~Rage) makes a good point the demo is nothing to go by... if thats what most of you r doing i dont know,

just GT5P simply has alot of down falls for me at the momment, but hoping it improves it just looks like there updating online events at the momment but its just good to see people coming forward for GRID!

 

[GTP_Cobra]

HERE MAYBE SPOILERS!!!!




Heres the Parts of the game that really make me enjoy it...

The online racers with private rooms and to talk on the mic in race an lobby.

The way the car spins when it its the gravel or with clips a car is just amazingly real.

The way the car leans in to the corners and the movement of the wheels on bumpy parts of road.

The simple Customization with up to 8 sponsors on the car at one time and 3 colours options at 1 time (to also use for online racing makes it ur own to show off)

AI dont all take the same driveing line inclueding out of the blue crashs from AI.

Replays Crashes, damage and slow mo.

And the 24h le mans which can last for 24 mins to and hour up to you (which turns dark and light again during race) really fun

Thats just the beginning...

 

[Biggamehit]

yea.... although i have not personally used gravel and or dirt to extend my angle in realtiy when drifting.. i like on the game in certain corners.. when you swing the rear out, and catch a bit of dirt the car will slide easier and you don't have to tap the e brake ( which to me acts like a clutch kick more than an ebrake when you tap it)

 

[homeforsummer]

You have to apply racing tactics, you can't just fling the car around or you'll very quickly be in the gravel, and unlike GT5P it acts like real gravel.

I'd think that gravel in GT5P is fairly realistic, in that it's bloody hard to get out of! Let's face it, if the gravel in GRID acted like "real gravel", then you'd slide into it, try and get out, bog yourself in and be stuck, and have to retire. Gravel in GRID acts just like Codies gravel always has - not as quick as the track but certainly not difficult to skip over and drive out of.

To you I say perhaps as a gamer it's you that sucks. Because if you can't figure out how to play new games or games that are a little different then, well as gamer.......you suck and you're not.

You're on thin ice suggesting people here suck as gamers... and at the very least I hope you weren't referring to me with that comment! I've played a very large number of racing games,to the point where I can pick up a new one, and win within a few minutes of trying. When I first played the demo of GRID, I won both the online race in the BMW and then that one at the street circuit in the Mustang against the AI - regardless of how good I am, I just don't like the game, for reasons I've been over many times in this thread already.

If you like the game, good on you, but I'd sing it's praises without implying that people don't like it because they aren't very good at it...

 

[Wolfe]

I've been playing GRID for 2 weeks now and to this day I have never played a game that made me feel like I was in a race as much as this one.. Sim or not the races I've had playing GRID have been the most exciting,entertaining and intense races I have ever had on any game online or offline...

...when it comes to racing and creating a racing atmosphere.. GRID wipes the floor with GT5.

GRID IMO is the best "racing game" I have ever played...

Agreed. Unrealistic physics or not, even the most hardcore of PC racing sims aren't as enticing or immersive as GRID. They just feel lifeless by comparison.

I'd think that gravel in GT5P is fairly realistic, in that it's bloody hard to get out of! Let's face it, if the gravel in GRID acted like "real gravel", then you'd slide into it, try and get out, bog yourself in and be stuck, and have to retire.

The bolded part is the problem. Sa!!yz~Rage is right -- unlike any other game I've played, GRID's gravel isn't just another flat surface where you can't get much traction, or a crude shortcut stopper where your speed is artificially limited (a la Forza). If you slide sideways into one of GRID's gravel traps, your car will actually dig in, lifting two or all four wheels and sending you careening out of control. It's not a perfect simulation, for sure, but it's quite convincing.

HERE MAYBE SPOILERS!!!!

Heres the Parts of the game that really make me enjoy it...

Agreed on every point. 👍 It's interesting to see how realistically the cars move and shift about when they're cornering or shunting each other; I never would have expected it given the nature of the game.

 

[ACE_N_RANDIE]

After seeing that vid I might have to give this a try.💡

Amen, I'm with you on that. I don't care what the rest of yous guys say, I'm getting grid next. If nothing else, just for 24hrs @ Le Mans...Anyone watch that this year? I fell asleep during the last 2 and a half hours(I didn't watch the whole thing but I planned on watching the end)-talk about a pissy morning...
Peace

 

[sxboyd]

I haven't played GT5P but I have played Grid and I must say its fun for a little while. I got bored after a few races and started seeing how far i could make my cars flip and roll. I'm guessing that GT5p is pretty much the same as GT4 so im saying that Grid is fun if you like crashes but other then that stick with GT5p

Oh, yeah. You get "scored" for that kind of stuff in GRID - huh? Just not my cup of tea or my style of racing.

 

[sxboyd]

HERE MAYBE SPOILERS!!!!




Heres the Parts of the game that really make me enjoy it...

The online racers with private rooms and to talk on the mic in race an lobby.

The way the car spins when it its the gravel or with clips a car is just amazingly real.

The way the car leans in to the corners and the movement of the wheels on bumpy parts of road.

The simple Customization with up to 8 sponsors on the car at one time and 3 colours options at 1 time (to also use for online racing makes it ur own to show off)

AI dont all take the same driveing line inclueding out of the blue crashs from AI.

Replays Crashes, damage and slow mo.

And the 24h le mans which can last for 24 mins to and hour up to you (which turns dark and light again during race) really fun

Thats just the beginning...

I go to the races at PIR several times a year and when a car hits the gravel trap, it does NOT spin - it stops rolling, it stops spinning, and the car very seldom drive out under it own power - it sinks in the pea-sized gravel. I've even put a couple in there myself.

I like driving a racing/driving simulator because it actually improves my driving/racing skills. When I race, the only time I want to watch the replay is when I mess up or I've had a VERY tight race with someone that I want to relive. I don't race to create "damage" (pretentious or otherwise) to my car or to my opponents, and I do NOT like getting punted around by other drivers when I am racing, so I don't really car to rewind/replay to watch my accidents and the resulting damage - especially in slo-mo. I want to race with other people who really know how to drive/race cleanly, fairly, and competitively.

Let's face it. Most of the damage to the cars in a race is cosmetic, even though it SHOULD cause the car's performance to falter DRAMATICALLY or cause the driver to retire from the race. The damage makes the car look damaged, but the driver can still circuit the track with all the windows busted out, the radiator steaming, the tires rubbing, and the whole car out of alignment (with all of the damage indicators lit), but the driver races unpenalized. And if you really crash hard, your car disintegrates, but wait, no penalty - push a button and NO DAMAGE - how cool is that; I drive so I can have damage, but when it affects my win/loss, I can just erase it.

I am sorry that I never went online to race, but I could not get the steering wheel to behave well enough to be WORTHY to go online and race. Steering wheel support in GRID sucks, and it can only be mildly improved through the adjustments. Everyone says that the handling is much better with the SixAxxis controller, but I don't use a controller for racing because it is not driving/racing that emulates driving at all in the real world. I guess I could have Sony SixAxxis controllers installed in all 6 of my cars/trucks and on all 7 of my motorcycles and learn to drive them that way - NOT.

Admittedly, it is fun; if you like that kind of thing. Many of us do not. I do not feel the need to escape reality - after 60 years, I'm still trying to get better at it.

 

[sxboyd]

I'm not trashing GT5P, I can't wait for the full version to come out. I'm trashing the goobers that get all FB and frothy about how bad GRiD is and how it's soooo crappy and sucks and can't touch GT5. To you I say perhaps as a gamer it's you that sucks. Because if you can't figure out how to play new games or games that are a little different then, well as gamer.......you suck and you're not.

( stepping off soapbox and going to race... )

Well thanks. I've been gaming since the first consoles and PCs and have adapted with the technology. I drove the original Night Driver, Pole Position and played great games like Space Invaders, Dig-Dug, and Apple Smasher on more platforms than you have years. I've always done well at the games and I did very well when I had GRID for a day. It had nothing to do with adapting to the game, it had everything to do with not enjoying the game enough to WANT to adapt. It was a disappontment in every sense of racing and was being highly touted by the marketers as being GT like and was compared to GT by almost every gaming magazine and gaiming website. Codemaster had put together several great racing games in the past (which, by the way, I adapted to nicely) as many other people on here have said, like TOCA Race Driver series and the Colin McCrae rally series. GRID was a big step backward with a format that didn't even compare well with that of DiRT (which I also managed to adapt to, thank you). Have you actually played GRID using a steering wheel? IF you have, then you know that driving ANY of the cars in GRID with the steering wheel is like driving a boat in fast running water - reduced the FUN factor bya a ton. Being bounced around by the other drivers so I could "see" the damage to my car, reduced the fun factor. And if you are going to go through all the trouble to make damage, make damage - not just the pretentions of damage. What kind of damage allows me to continue to race unimpeded witht he other "damaged" cars; and if you really mess up and knock all the wheel of the car - it isn't really damaged, just push the little button and see for yourself - RESET. If it is damaged that badly, you lose! So all the drivers go about bashing each other like there is no tomorrow with very little penalty. That reduces the fun factor tremendously. Being give the choice of only one or two races to go without any practice or qualifying (such as in DiRT) on unfamiliar tracks, with cars that you cannot set up for your kind of driving - that takes away more of the fun factor. Having driving physics that are so bad that you can take corners at unreal angles (like in Need for Speed series) where other cars get unreal boost and unbelievable driving skills, it reduces the fun factor.

Now, realistically, after you remove that much fun factor from the game, why should I make the effort to adapt my skills and attitude to MAKE myself like/enjoy the game. Or worse yet, why should I sacrifice the skills that I've worked for years to attain, and risk becoming like some many of the other racers on the web (rely on punting and shortcutting to win) when I can do it by cunning and good driving skills. Anyone on this board, and several others, that has raced with me knows I am know slouch at any of the driving venue games. I keep hoping to run up against some of the GRID defenders on the GT online races. Ler's see who adapts.

If you doubt I can do what I say, go to the GT Online Time Trial Rankings for the Acura NSX and the Alfa Romeo 147 (the only two I've tried so far) and see that I have made the top 20 rankings in the world for EVERY venue, both Standard and Professional, wioth a few 1st through 10th in there. Now if YOU can adapt so quickly, go knock me out of the standings - I'll applaud your abilities and skills as I do for all of the others up there that have gained my respect for what they do - not what they say they can do.

By the way, if you get frustrated in the efforts, know that you've been undone by a 60 year old who has been doing this longer than you (an probably your father and mother ) have been alive.

Dang. I am having such a hard time adapting. And my original opinion of GRID is unchanged - it is a disappointment. But maybe I should treat it as I do for people; don't set expectations and you don't get disappoointed. I guess I just expected SO much more from Codemaster.

 

[TunerFocus]

I must say, DiRT by far, is the most realistic rally racing game available for purchase on the PS3. Grid is definately a step down from DiRT, but how many options do you have as far as racing simulators go, for me, as of this moment, it looks like i only have DiRT & GT5 Prolugue to choose from, & i'm not about to go out & buy an XBOX just to be able to play Forza(a failed attempt to create a game that was even comparable to the Gran Turismo series.) GRID is the game between "Need for Speed: Pro Street" & GT5 Prologue. I can't afford to buy GRID right now, but it looks like that might be a good thing.

 

[GTP_Cobra]

I like driving a racing/driving simulator because it actually improves my driving/racing skills. When I race, the only time I want to watch the replay is when I mess up or I've had a VERY tight race with someone that I want to relive. I don't race to create "damage" (pretentious or otherwise) to my car or to my opponents, and I do NOT like getting punted around by other drivers when I am racing, so I don't really car to rewind/replay to watch my accidents and the resulting damage - especially in slo-mo. I want to race with other people who really know how to drive/race cleanly, fairly, and competitively.

I'll have u know im a fast fair clean racer always have been, but lets face it crashes happen even to professionals (L.Hamilton F1) last week for exsample.

but has for the restarts and flashbacks they can be turned off or you can turn driving aids off aswell if you prevered.

but the forum is split in to two groups, you either like it or you dont abit like marmite lol still waiting for GT5 with hope its better

OH! and SYBOD im up for the challenge sometime granted u sound like your a very good racer and i just like a close race


TunerFocus As for dirt being better then grid now thats going to far lmao, the brakes are like u hit a brick wall it just stops and the movement or the car and cornering is crap but still a good game none the less the old colin mcraes are better on PS2

 

[TunerFocus]

TunerFocus As for dirt being better then grid now thats going to far lmao, the brakes are like u hit a brick wall it just stops and the movement or the car and cornering is crap but still a good game none the less the old colin mcraes are better on PS2

Hold on a second there, I said DiRT is the most realistic rally racing sim out there, & sure the physics arent as real as gran tursmo as far as tarmac racing goes, but the off road realness, nothing else comes close. Now when you speak of "the brakes are like u hit a brick wall" now thats just wrong, apparently you aren't paying attention to the speed you are traveling at when you slam on the brakes, when you are on dry tarmac & slam on your brakes say doing 70m.p.h in a rally car, it will seem like you hit a brick wall, because it is a RALLY CAR. They are meant to stop fast.

 

[homeforsummer]

I must say, DiRT by far, is the most realistic rally racing game available for purchase on the PS3.

True, but only because it's one of the only rally racing games for the PS3! It's competition at the moment are proper arcade racers like Motorstorm, not serious rally games like WRC and the old Richard Burns Rally on the PS2

Hold on a second there, I said DiRT is the most realistic rally racing sim out there, & sure the physics arent as real as gran tursmo as far as tarmac racing goes, but the off road realness, nothing else comes close. Now when you speak of "the brakes are like u hit a brick wall" now thats just wrong, apparently you aren't paying attention to the speed you are traveling at when you slam on the brakes, when you are on dry tarmac & slam on your brakes say doing 70m.p.h in a rally car, it will seem like you hit a brick wall, because it is a RALLY CAR. They are meant to stop fast.

For the first point I've highlighted, although the graphics on CMR DIRT are certainly very good, as far as realism goes it's not even up there with it's predecessors on the PS2. Colin McRae 4 was much more realistic in terms of handling. And this includes braking, which brings me on to...

...your second point. Yes, rally car brakes are strong, but allow me to demonstrate, with the help of a certain Mr. S. Loeb, who I believe is a fairly well known rally driver...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EJTmnN-Qs8&feature=related

There are a couple of hard stops early on into that video. Notice how Seb still takes a little while to brake though - in DIRT you could have not just slowed down but come to a complete halt in a quarter of that distance from that speed, and on gravel as well as tarmac. The brakes on DIRT are way too strong -there are never any "ohhhhhh s***" moments like you should get on a rally game, and this was something that the previous McRae games were very good at.

Feeling how good the handling is now getting in the GT games, here's hoping that PD implement a good rally mode in GT5, with proper, tight, twisty stanges that would take full advantage of the physics model and the graphics. The wide open spaces of previous GT rally routes have been disappointing.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

if the gravel in GRID acted like "real gravel"...

Ya I suppose you're right on that one, I find it acts more 'real' in the sense that if feels like you're in gravel. Yes you can get out of it so purhaps it's hard packed fine gravel? It would be great if GT5 marries the two, I do sort of like GT's gravel because it does make it a little hard to get out of.

Grid is definately a step down from DiRT

👍 👍 I agree.

As for my 'attack' on the 'gamers', of which I classify myself. It's not directed at any one individual, it directed squarely at anyone who thinks they are a gamer, that tried the game and in frustration, got all frothy and quit and then went on a tear trashing and bad mouthing GRiD. You know who you are.. 👍 Suck it up, don't be a wimp, get better

I was pretty pissed when I got the game, as I said I got banned from CM's forum for being a little 'mouthy' in stating how I felt about it. Not proud of that, but I hated GRiD when I tried it. Then I decided to work at it. How hard do the 'goldies' work trying to get that last one? I figured, hell if I can play NFS Carbon and get it....

I ain't gonna say anything more on this, I just think as a 'convert' once I put myself into it, I can say for sure, there's a lot more to racing in GRiD than you first see for, and when you race with good drivers it's way more intense than GT5P online is. Reason being, if anyone makes a mistake your car gets messed immediately, or theirs does. The one thing it does is force you to drive with a little more respect for braking, closing rates, spin, power sliding through corners... etc.

Case in point, I ran over something that came off someones car in front of me last night, it got caught up under the front-end of my car and when I dove into the corner and hit the curbing the way I normally do, my car got launched sideways, and spun me right into the barrier, I could hear whatever it was crunch on the curbing 👍

I braked too early into another corner, got clipped in the right quarter panel, didn't send me off. No penalty? Ha! Bent the bodywork into my tire and the car would not steer properly. That's the way it should be!

Nuff said... 👍

 

[Wolfe]

DiRT is the most realistic rally racing sim out there, & sure the physics arent as real as gran tursmo as far as tarmac racing goes, but the off road realness, nothing else comes close.

It's fine if you like DiRT, but it must have been the only rally game you've ever played if you believe this is true.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

It's fine if you like DiRT, but it must have been the only rally game you've ever played if you believe this is true.

Really?

So in other words you are saying every other rally game is more realistic than DiRT?

If not, then your presumption that TunerFocus has never played any other rally games is completely off base.

I realize you have a long history of exaggerating things, especially when it comes to criticizing Gran Turismo games, and promoting games like Forza and PGR but it really only makes your opinion that much more difficult to take seriously.

However, if you can list all the Rally games that you "feel" are more realistic than DiRT... in race series, graphics, sounds, tracks, cars, damage, "invisible barriers", tuning, options, cockpit views, replays, etc. then by all means do so.

Heck, even with DiRT's simcade physics, the only rally game I've played on a console with more realistic overall physics (handling, brakes, etc) was Richard Burns Rally.... and DiRT beats RBR on that vast majority of the other categories of realism.

I love rally games, and have played at least a dozen different ones on various platforms like PC, PS2 and Xbox, and among those by absolute was RBR for what it offered, and considering how long ago it was released, it was quite an effort from Warthog in terms of realism.

I have also been a big fan of the series of WRC games from Evolution Studios, and still occasionally even play their original 2001 game on the PS2. I have also enjoy the Colin McRae games, all though not nearly as much as RBR and WRC.

However, despite RBR's superb physics, despite WRC's excellent reproductions of a real championship, and despite the wide variety of cars and gameplay in the CMR games, all fall well short of being as realistic as DiRT in terms of all the different categories of realism.

Anyone who says that DiRT is the most unrealistic rally game of all rally games ever released has either completely lost their mind, or is blatantly lying.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Anyone who says that DiRT is the most unrealistic rally game of all rally games ever released has either completely lost their mind, or is blatantly lying

👍

 

[homeforsummer]

Anyone who says that DiRT is the most unrealistic rally game of all rally games ever released has either completely lost their mind, or is blatantly lying.

It certainly isn't the most unrealistic, but it's certainly not one of the most realistic either. "Invisible barriers" aside, WRC is better on handling and cockpit view, and CMR4 is better on handling, cockpit view and it doesn't have invisible barriers.

DIRT is certainly better than GRID, but it's hampered by the same game engine and as long as that's in place it has a long way to go. I still have more fun on the original Colin McRae Rally than DIRT provides.

The next rally game I buy will be the next WRC game, if one is in the pipeline.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

It certainly isn't the most unrealistic, but it's certainly not one of the most realistic either. "Invisible barriers" aside, WRC is better on handling and cockpit view, and CMR4 is better on handling, cockpit view and it doesn't have invisible barriers.

However, you are cherry picking specific categories among the many already mentioned. When you take into consideration everything, arguably DiRT offers the most realistic off-road/rally gaming experience... but without argument, it certainly offers a far more realistic experience than many off-road/rally games, which is what seemed to be in question.

DIRT is certainly better than GRID, but it's hampered by the same game engine and as long as that's in place it has a long way to go.

I quite agree. Which is why I am so concerned over the fact that CM apparently plans on using the same engine in GRiD on their upcoming F1 game. 👎

The next rally game I buy will be the next WRC game, if one is in the pipeline.

You and me both, but I haven't heard much of a whisper from Evolution Studios on whether or not that's going to happen any time soon, especially seeing as they are still focused on the development of MotorStorm 2.

 

[sxboyd]

I'll have u know im a fast fair clean racer always have been, but lets face it crashes happen even to professionals (L.Hamilton F1) last week for exsample.

but has for the restarts and flashbacks they can be turned off or you can turn driving aids off aswell if you prevered.

but the forum is split in to two groups, you either like it or you dont abit like marmite lol still waiting for GT5 with hope its better

OH! and SYBOD im up for the challenge sometime granted u sound like your a very good racer and i just like a close race


TunerFocus As for dirt being better then grid now thats going to far lmao, the brakes are like u hit a brick wall it just stops and the movement or the car and cornering is crap but still a good game none the less the old colin mcraes are better on PS2

Whoa, big fellow. At what point in my post that you quoted, or in any of my posts did I say or even imply that you were anything less than a great driver - my post quoted something from sally, not you. Gee, we are VFERY sensitive today. Almost every GTP_member I've raced has been clean, fair, and competitive and I love to race with them. I consider it an honor when I get to race with any of the GTP_ monikers.

Now I suggest you go back and look at the part of her post that I quoted and see what I was trying to address - her implication that those of us that do NOT like GRID were unable to adapt. Like I said, I've adapted through more platforms and more racing venues (and other venues) over my history than she has years - period.

And as far as squaring off with you on one of the roadcourses, I hope we do, and wind, lose or draw I am sure to enjoy it if you drive as clean and as well as you say you do. I lost a lot of races to a lot of great drivers out there - but I've won just as many. I will be just as glad to add you name to my list of friends.

Now, slow down and enjoy the debate and differences in opinion. I enjoy the information exchange and the banter, as long as the exchanges sre not insulting or personal attacks. To me, that's kinda like get puted aroond on the racetrack.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Like I said, I've adapted through more platforms and more racing venues (and other venues) over my history than she has years - period.

Careful on that one, dude.
First off I'm not a 'she', the name is for my AAR Cuda.

Second I've been gaming since SLIing my first Monster cards so you're a little off on that one. Hell I was playing CW on my AST while at work.

And sorry, again no offense, but if someone with a 'ton' of gaming experience can't figure out how to drive well in GRiD, then something is up, it's just not that hard. I win all the time and place first overall a lot. Soooooo......💡

When PD finally releases GT5, and god only knows when that's gonna be, I'll more than gladly meet up with you on whatever track you like. 👍

 

[GTP_Cobra]

Whoa, big fellow. At what point in my post that you quoted, or in any of my posts did I say or even imply that you were anything less than a great driver - my post quoted something from sally, not you. Gee, we are VFERY sensitive today. Almost every GTP_member I've raced has been clean, fair, and competitive and I love to race with them. I consider it an honor when I get to race with any of the GTP_ monikers.

Now I suggest you go back and look at the part of her post that I quoted and see what I was trying to address - her implication that those of us that do NOT like GRID were unable to adapt. Like I said, I've adapted through more platforms and more racing venues (and other venues) over my history than she has years - period.

And as far as squaring off with you on one of the roadcourses, I hope we do, and wind, lose or draw I am sure to enjoy it if you drive as clean and as well as you say you do. I lost a lot of races to a lot of great drivers out there - but I've won just as many. I will be just as glad to add you name to my list of friends.

Now, slow down and enjoy the debate and differences in opinion. I enjoy the information exchange and the banter, as long as the exchanges sre not insulting or personal attacks. To me, that's kinda like get puted aroond on the racetrack.

Well from my point of veiw at the time it looked like you was having a dig because my qoute was above, sorry if you was'nt fair enough, but i thought my reputation was on the line. i get abit defensive in that area just as the next guy!

But all is well, be sure to add me in ur friends list ( GTP_Cobra ) im from the UK so not sure we'll be able to have a friendly race till the full release. but as you say wind, lose or draw im sure to enjoy it

Cobra