GTP Cool Wall: Results (read OP)

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Update on the Spreadsheet, the beginning year for every car is put in already, the end year for all but the + ones is put in already, and I've asked the Excel subreddit (Who helped me make the spreadsheet earlier by automating the placement of the cars for how to make Excel give the current year for those
 
Spreadsheet updated with what @Crash suggested

I'd like it if people would download this version and see if I made any mistakes. If I did, post it in this thread with the Cell location (Like A1 or B2), what it says in the cell and what you think it should say. Also, I go through over Christmas and fix all the + ones to when production actually ended
 
@Jahgee1124 I'd recommend you'd close the nomination thread until it goes back to it's average (around 45) and the Cool Wall until all posts under the "Currently Polling" section are done. This was a rough week for the Cool Wall.
 
Liquid
5 polling options, 1 of those arguably unnecessary, 8 result classifications. Not this make sense does.

Continuously slice the cheese as wafer thin as you want but the results should reflect the results. If it really matters, have a top 5 for sub zero and top 5 for seriously uncool.
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I'm gonna have to keep apologizing for this until I'm banned aren't I?
 
All Your Base
@Jahgee1124 I'd recommend you'd close the nomination thread until it goes back to it's average (around 45) and the Cool Wall until all posts under the "Currently Polling" section are done. This was a rough week for the Cool Wall.
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It'll correct itself over time, all closing does is create another flood once nominations are reopened, since most of the ones after the usual amount (Which is ~50) are peoples Thanksgiving Nominations
 
Roger the Horse
@Jahgee1124 is right, we should avoid changing things about how the cool wall works. Changing it will just lead to more pointless arguments. Better to stick with a system which we know works, even if it is flawed, than risk losing the cool wall altogether in the potential stupidity that may follow any changes.
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That's an interesting stance to take when there was no such riot when the changes were made in the first place. Particularly since one voting thread immediately comes to mind where the perceived "need" for one car to get into one of those arbitrary results classifications for the voting system "we know works" did lead to a completely thread-derailing witch hunt.


It's almost as if your repeated allusions to these non-existent "arguments" is an ongoing attempt to simply deflect criticism away from a voting system you like rather than actually defend it.
 
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Tornado
That's an interesting stance to take when there was no such riot when the changes were made in the first place.
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Right? The biggest problem is that I didn't so much open that particular Pandora's Box as much as I did call in the 1st armored division to blast the box out of existence. What I did, however, was take a system that didn't work that well and channeled my inner Clarkson, making it infinitely times worse.

Again, I'm sorry I brought this back.
 
Are you interested in helping the GTPlanet Cool Wall effort, making the experience better for everyone? Do you know the basics of Microsoft Excel? Are you willing to do something which won't be the most fun, but isn't too difficult?

If the answer is Yes to all of these questions, feel free to leave a message on my wall, and I'll give you more information.
 
The Aston Martin One-77 result listed between the GMC Typhoon and Legacy in the OP needs to be removed. Since it's listed in the correct spot further down the table.
 
🤬 my life, can someone help me find my mistake in the spreadsheet in the OP, I somehow skipped a line or something, as the results for the Lexus IF are in the Subaru Impreza line already
 
GranTurismo916
The Cool Wall categories in the OP are now in spoiler tags.
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If I'm honest, they might be better out of the spoiler tags. I appreciate that it tidies up the OP, but it makes it more of a faff to search for whether or not a car has already been polled.
 
GTP_Ingram
If I'm honest, they might be better out of the spoiler tags. I appreciate that it tidies up the OP, but it makes it more of a faff to search for whether or not a car has already been polled.
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True, but you can just open up all of the spoiler tags (from bottom to top) and it'll be like the old searchable list again.
 
I just have to say this, but in greek mythology, the river styx has the power to make people indestructible. Or at least next to indestructable. But i guess the Puma probably won't be leaving our minds any time soon, so i guess its pretty accurate here :P
 
Chameleon9000
I just have to say this, but in greek mythology, the river styx has the power to make people indestructible. Or at least next to indestructable. But i guess the Puma probably won't be leaving our minds any time soon, so i guess its pretty accurate here :P
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True, but it's also the boundary between the Earth and the Underworld, or "Hell". ;)
 
Did some maths on the list, and a couple things popped out

First, before there was "meh", having to choose between cool and uncool meant more divergent opinions. I bet if these polls were run again a lot of the Cool and Uncool votes would switch to meh. In some cases this would move a car up, in others down. Either way the data suggests that "meh" is a balancing option that probably improves results.

Next, the categorization might be a little off. Looking at the modes (most votes to what) and excluding polls with greater than the average standard deviation, then taking an average between for example the car highest up the list with a mode of "Cool" and the car farthest down the list with a mode of "Subzero" and using that as the separation point, you get:

Subzero: 2 to 1.169
Cool: 1.168 to 0.107
Meh: 0.106 to -0.280
Uncool: -0.281 to -0.946
Seriously Uncool: -0.947 to -2

Basically it's an adjustment to recognize that when most people vote for something, that's where a car should be categorized, except in cases of widely divergent opinions.


Based on standard deviations

Most controversial in order:
P50
Dymaxion Car
Model 118 Prototype
GT9-R
Pacer D/L Hatchback
Rocket Car Prototype/"Shirley Lois Moon Girl"
F-Series "Bigfoot" Monster Truck
Tramontana R
Transition Roadable Aircraft (Proto)
Life Step Van
F-150 SVT Raptor
Master 4326 Dakar
Midget II
Venom GT
GTR
FCX Clarity
DBR2 Recreation
F50 GT
M3 GTR Race Car
R10 TDI LMP1
Mustang Boss 302 (Gen. 1 Refresh)
Firebird "Firehawk"
Crown Vic Police Int.
T1
Veyron EB 16.4
Escort RS Cosworth
Patent-Motorwagen
F50
Bravado Banshee
GT
One-77
Thomassima III
Espace F1
M4S "Turbo Interceptor" Concept
LM002
Typhoon
R390 GT1 Road Car
ZZII
L190
Impala SS (Gen. 7)
Town & Country
Fiero
VehiCROSS
LaFerrari
Clubman
Golden Hawk
Shelby Mustang Super Snake
W8
Camry
Charger SRT Hellcat

Most agreed upon:
Miura P400
Cobra 427
300SL "Gullwing"
250 GT Lusso
Tiger
Giulia Sprint 1600 GTA
100
Bertone X1/9
Tipo 33 Stradale
275 GTB/4
Road Runner
365 GTB/4 Daytona
Rallye 037 Stradale
RX-7 (FD)
XKSS
Thunderbird (Gen. 1)
Lotus Cortina Mk1
M1
A6 GCS Berlinetta by Pininfarina
Grifo
QQ6
Hornet
M3 (E92)
NSX
A110 1600S
Celica (ST185)
550
GranTurismo S
Riviera
GT350
2000GT
2002 Turbo
P76
Corvette (C2)
Barracuda
Giulia Sprint Speciale
P1800
Legacy GT-B
Hai 450
Fulvia 1.6 HF
SL (W113)
RS2 Avant
F1
Range Rover Classic
F40
Fairlady Z
Celica Supra Mk.II
Mazda3 (Gen. 1)
DB4 GT Zagato
Bellett GT-R
 
jeffgoddin
Did some maths on the list, and a couple things popped out

First, before there was "meh", having to choose between cool and uncool meant more divergent opinions. I bet if these polls were run again a lot of the Cool and Uncool votes would switch to meh. In some cases this would move a car up, in others down. Either way the data suggests that "meh" is a balancing option that probably improves results.

Next, the categorization might be a little off. Looking at the modes (most votes to what) and excluding polls with greater than the average standard deviation, then taking an average between for example the car highest up the list with a mode of "Cool" and the car farthest down the list with a mode of "Subzero" and using that as the separation point, you get:

Subzero: 2 to 1.169
Cool: 1.168 to 0.107
Meh: 0.106 to -0.280
Uncool: -0.281 to -0.946
Seriously Uncool: -0.947 to -2

Basically it's an adjustment to recognize that when most people vote for something, that's where a car should be categorized, except in cases of widely divergent opinions.


Based on standard deviations

Most controversial in order:
P50
Dymaxion Car
Model 118 Prototype
GT9-R
Pacer D/L Hatchback
Rocket Car Prototype/"Shirley Lois Moon Girl"
F-Series "Bigfoot" Monster Truck
Tramontana R
Transition Roadable Aircraft (Proto)
Life Step Van
F-150 SVT Raptor
Master 4326 Dakar
Midget II
Venom GT
GTR
FCX Clarity
DBR2 Recreation
F50 GT
M3 GTR Race Car
R10 TDI LMP1
Mustang Boss 302 (Gen. 1 Refresh)
Firebird "Firehawk"
Crown Vic Police Int.
T1
Veyron EB 16.4
Escort RS Cosworth
Patent-Motorwagen
F50
Bravado Banshee
GT
One-77
Thomassima III
Espace F1
M4S "Turbo Interceptor" Concept
LM002
Typhoon
R390 GT1 Road Car
ZZII
L190
Impala SS (Gen. 7)
Town & Country
Fiero
VehiCROSS
LaFerrari
Clubman
Golden Hawk
Shelby Mustang Super Snake
W8
Camry
Charger SRT Hellcat

Most agreed upon:
Miura P400
Cobra 427
300SL "Gullwing"
250 GT Lusso
Tiger
Giulia Sprint 1600 GTA
100
Bertone X1/9
Tipo 33 Stradale
275 GTB/4
Road Runner
365 GTB/4 Daytona
Rallye 037 Stradale
RX-7 (FD)
XKSS
Thunderbird (Gen. 1)
Lotus Cortina Mk1
M1
A6 GCS Berlinetta by Pininfarina
Grifo
QQ6
Hornet
M3 (E92)
NSX
A110 1600S
Celica (ST185)
550
GranTurismo S
Riviera
GT350
2000GT
2002 Turbo
P76
Corvette (C2)
Barracuda
Giulia Sprint Speciale
P1800
Legacy GT-B
Hai 450
Fulvia 1.6 HF
SL (W113)
RS2 Avant
F1
Range Rover Classic
F40
Fairlady Z
Celica Supra Mk.II
Mazda3 (Gen. 1)
DB4 GT Zagato
Bellett GT-R
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Cool. Unfortunately (and kind of fortunately) repolling is out of the question.

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Fun fact: The most votes on a poll record was broken by the Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat, at 157 votes.

EDIT: Hold on, the McLaren F1 actually has the record at 199. I guess I missed that number when going through the spreadsheet.

Anyway, I'm happy to report that the average number of votes is gradually going up:
boiltheocean - 65.8
Joey D - 86.6
Tornado - 87.1
TheBook - 81.1
BKGlover - 85.6
White & Nerdy - 104.2
Jahgee1124 - 119.0
GranTurismo916 - 123.0
 
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Lol, there's enough new models to poll I certainly wasn't suggesting a rehash of the past. Just supporting the inclusion of meh as a vote based on the data. Saw somebody say they wanted their vote to count so they wouldn't vote meh and that was kind of annoying.

Funny the 2nd most votes looks like a Charger, too.

Also, not sure what you think about altering the categories like I suggested, but it would look like this:

everything below the CTR Yellowbird moved from SZ to Cool
up! and C30 get to be Cool now
Trabant 601 and above get to be Meh instead of Uncool
Clenet Continental V8 and below moved to SU

Edit: here's another idea... how about Steve McQeen's and Hell reserved for when 85% of votes are SZ or SU, and Lord Kelvin's and Styx for when 70% of votes are SZ or SU. This discounts widely diverging opinions and looks instead for vast majority agreement (so a couple people voting U or SU don't affect whether or not a car can be in SM or LK, and vice versa for Styx and Hell.) This would give (* indicating new to category):

SM:
Muira
*Cobra 427

Lord Kelvin's Icebox:
300SL "Gullwing"
250 GT Lusso
Rallye 037 Stradale
Tipo 33 Stradale
F1
XKSS
F40
DB5
917
Stratos
250 GTO
*SLR Uhlenhaut Coupé
*Cobra Daytona Coupe
*787B (notable inclusion since its average is only 1.378 because 12 people voted SU... but 96 or 75.6% voted SZ, and I think 96 people can tell 12 people to shut up)

*Giulia Sprint, Maser A6, and RS200 out

Styx:
QQ6
*Cimarron

Hell:
*Sixteen Concept
Puma

If you say 2/3 or 66.7% only need to vote either SZ or SU for LK or Styx, you get back the RS200 and Guilia, you also add the D-type race car, Superbird Hemi, and KPGC10, and you add to Styx Koral/Yugo GV, Aztek, PT Cruiser, Delta 98 diesel, Escalade, Prius, and C6W. I like that better than the 70% cutoff, actually.

More trivia: least agreed upon car, if not the most divergent opinions (people didn't vote mainly either SZ or SU), the Town & Country, votes split 16/21/21/15/23

YA edit:
McLaren F1 is most voted upon with with 199 votes

edit: dangit you got that edited in before I did! :lol:
 
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jeffgoddin
Did some maths on the list, and a couple things popped out

First, before there was "meh", having to choose between cool and uncool meant more divergent opinions. I bet if these polls were run again a lot of the Cool and Uncool votes would switch to meh. In some cases this would move a car up, in others down. Either way the data suggests that "meh" is a balancing option that probably improves results.

Next, the categorization might be a little off. Looking at the modes (most votes to what) and excluding polls with greater than the average standard deviation, then taking an average between for example the car highest up the list with a mode of "Cool" and the car farthest down the list with a mode of "Subzero" and using that as the separation point, you get:

Subzero: 2 to 1.169
Cool: 1.168 to 0.107
Meh: 0.106 to -0.280
Uncool: -0.281 to -0.946
Seriously Uncool: -0.947 to -2

Basically it's an adjustment to recognize that when most people vote for something, that's where a car should be categorized, except in cases of widely divergent opinions.


Based on standard deviations

Most controversial in order:
P50
Dymaxion Car
Model 118 Prototype
GT9-R
Pacer D/L Hatchback
Rocket Car Prototype/"Shirley Lois Moon Girl"
F-Series "Bigfoot" Monster Truck
Tramontana R
Transition Roadable Aircraft (Proto)
Life Step Van
F-150 SVT Raptor
Master 4326 Dakar
Midget II
Venom GT
GTR
FCX Clarity
DBR2 Recreation
F50 GT
M3 GTR Race Car
R10 TDI LMP1
Mustang Boss 302 (Gen. 1 Refresh)
Firebird "Firehawk"
Crown Vic Police Int.
T1
Veyron EB 16.4
Escort RS Cosworth
Patent-Motorwagen
F50
Bravado Banshee
GT
One-77
Thomassima III
Espace F1
M4S "Turbo Interceptor" Concept
LM002
Typhoon
R390 GT1 Road Car
ZZII
L190
Impala SS (Gen. 7)
Town & Country
Fiero
VehiCROSS
LaFerrari
Clubman
Golden Hawk
Shelby Mustang Super Snake
W8
Camry
Charger SRT Hellcat

Most agreed upon:
Miura P400
Cobra 427
300SL "Gullwing"
250 GT Lusso
Tiger
Giulia Sprint 1600 GTA
100
Bertone X1/9
Tipo 33 Stradale
275 GTB/4
Road Runner
365 GTB/4 Daytona
Rallye 037 Stradale
RX-7 (FD)
XKSS
Thunderbird (Gen. 1)
Lotus Cortina Mk1
M1
A6 GCS Berlinetta by Pininfarina
Grifo
QQ6
Hornet
M3 (E92)
NSX
A110 1600S
Celica (ST185)
550
GranTurismo S
Riviera
GT350
2000GT
2002 Turbo
P76
Corvette (C2)
Barracuda
Giulia Sprint Speciale
P1800
Legacy GT-B
Hai 450
Fulvia 1.6 HF
SL (W113)
RS2 Avant
F1
Range Rover Classic
F40
Fairlady Z
Celica Supra Mk.II
Mazda3 (Gen. 1)
DB4 GT Zagato
Bellett GT-R
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I get the feeling that the P400S will be by far the most controversial.
 
Can we not change the system? The current one works because it's completely democratic and produces easily understandable results.

Creating a system where cars can appear above cars with higher scores because of the proportion of votes they got in one category only complicates things and makes the results harder to understand.

If using a more democratic voting method means most cars move towards the centre of the wall, then so be it. Sturgeon's Law and all that, most stuff isn't worthy of being referred to as really sub zero or seriously uncool.
 
Don't change something that ain't broken. Fine the way it is if you ask me.
 

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