Had some fun last night

[G.T]

No, it's not. Not all cars have the same braking force, and unless you're driving a total slushbox, slowing down and making a move to avoid something will not flip your car.

I never said it would flip your car. You could slide into a barrier or something that splits each side of the motorway, if you get those out there that is.

 

[Kylehnat]

Ghost C, you are quite possibly the most ignorant person here at GTP. What you think and what is fact appear to be quite different. Your reaction time is 0.013s? Reaction to what? You cannot stop a car travelling 160 mph in 0.013s. You can't even think about stopping, and then hit the brakes that quickly. All of us here appearing to be "grandmas" are speaking from experience, and from the sounds of things, you probably should be listening. Your age isn't listed, but I can only guess.

If you wait long enough, a bone stock Geo Storm will go to 138 before it runs out of gear. This same car does 0-60 in just over 12 seconds, and has a whopping 90 horsepower - I do indeed call it slow.

Edit: A quick estimate says that to overcome the air resistance at that speed, you need in excess of 300 hp. That's a bit more than a Geo Metro has.

 

[eliseracer]

Your age isn't listed, but I can only guess.

He drives a 1991 Cadillac DeVille. I'm guessing 69 years old.

My grandmother's Escort has 88hp. There is no way it can make it to double-digits. I don't know who's Geo you were driving, but I'd like to see it.

 

[Carl.]

Hell, at 112 - The electronic top speed of my car, I can stop short of the distance I can see with my low beams.

NC DOT regulations state that low beams must be capable of seeing a person or object in the road at 300', and high beams 500'. My high beams illuminate the road for well over a quarter of a mile.

Most sports cars need well over 300' to stop from 100mph, and unless you have some sort of decelerating rocket on your Cadillac, it will more likely be around, or over 400', so I'd like you to explain how exactly you could stop short of the distance you can see with your low beams.

Between 1 and 2 seconds to react? Please - What grandmas did you survey for this? My reaction time is 0.013s, and I'm slow.

How the heck did you measure that, on a flash game? Even while being alert, there's absolutely no way that you'll effectively start braking within 0.013s of seeing an obstacle, the average reaction times are between 0.5s and 2 seconds. That's if you're not looking at the speedometer, giggling at how fast you're going.


Oh, and before you ask, my car goes over 150mph. I tested it a few years back on an empty stretch of highway by daylight, but even that doesn't make it more safe, and that's not something I would try again, or try to sell as a smart thing to do.

 

[Kylehnat]

Yes, I perfectly well understand it. And unless you're driving with your parking lights on, or have a terrible reaction time and crappy brakes, 160mph won't do it. I've personally witnessed 350Z's going that fast - I've filmed them racing, along with nitrous'd F-Bodies, and Porsches. All of them were doing over 150, none of them were overdriving their headlights.

ALL of them were overdriving their headlights. From the March Car and Driver, they list the stopping distance of both a Porsche 911 and an Aston Martin Vantage at about 160 feet. That's from 70mph. Stopping distance increases as the square of the speed. So stopping from twice as fast (140 mph) will take 4 times the distance-- or 640 feet. 150 mph? That will require 740 feet to stop.

500 foot beams? That's shorter than 740 feet, last I checked.

Do you want to stop pulling stuff out of your ass now?

 

[Ghost C]

Ghost C, you are quite possibly the most ignorant person here at GTP.

Why, because I disagree with you? Amusing that you've resorted to name calling this early in the debate.

What you think and what is fact appear to be quite different. Your reaction time is 0.013s? Reaction to what? You cannot stop a car travelling 160 mph in 0.013s. You can't even think about stopping, and then hit the brakes that quickly. All of us here appearing to be "grandmas" are speaking from experience, and from the sounds of things, you probably should be listening. Your age isn't listed, but I can only guess.

The definition of a reaction time is the amount of time it takes you to react to a situation that occurs. Like having to hit your brakes. So yes, I can in fact think about stopping and hit the brakes in that amount of time.

Take not that I never said I could stop a car travelling at 160mph in 0.013s - I merely stated that is how long it takes for me to react to something, because someone said it takes between 1-2 seconds for a person to react. This is totally untrue unless the person isn't alert, and let me tell you, when you're going 160mph, you're fairly well alert.

Edit: A quick estimate says that to overcome the air resistance at that speed, you need in excess of 300 hp. That's a bit more than a Geo Metro has.

A quick estimate for what, may I ask? Once again, not all cars are created equal. I'll tell you now that your quick estimate is off.

He drives a 1991 Cadillac DeVille. I'm guessing 69 years old.

Does it matter how old I am in the first place? What, I must be young because I'm arguing a point with you? OH NOES, HE DISAGREES, HE MUST BE 12.

Most sports cars need well over 300' to stop from 100mph, and unless you have some sort of decelerating rocket on your Cadillac, it will more likely be around, or over 400', so I'd like you to explain how exactly you could stop short of the distance you can see with your low beams.

If my high beams can illuminate the road for more than a quarter of a mile, that's 1,320', do you think my low beams are totally one hundred percent trash? I said the minimum distance that you must be able to see a person is 300' - I didn't say my low beams can see 300' and that's it, stop reading what you want to see.

But, for the record, I've got significantly stickier-than-stock tires, mounted on lightweight wheels. My front brakes are 12.8" rotors, with metallic racing brake pads, and 11" drums with high performance shoes in the rear. Stock, my car takes a little under 200' to stop from 70. That means stock everything, including curb weight. My car is three hundred sixty nine and three quarters of a pound lighter than stock - One and a quarter pounds heavier than a Ferrari Enzo.

I don't know, I think my brakes might not be adequate for my vehicle.

ALL of them were overdriving their headlights. From the March Car and Driver, they list the stopping distance of both a Porsche 911 and an Aston Martin Vantage at about 160 feet. That's from 70mph. Stopping distance increases as the square of the speed. So stopping from twice as fast (140 mph) will take 4 times the distance-- or 640 feet.

So that's it - There is no possible way to do anything upon seeing someone or something in the road except to begin braking and stay headed straight. Awesome, I thought most roads here in the US were 2 lanes, with highways being 3+ in one direction usually. I guess that's just an East Coast thing...

500 foot beams? That gives you 0.75 seconds to react, and stop the car. Stopping the car from that speed in that short of a time is equivalent to an average braking force of 80g. Formula One brakes are capable of 4g.

See above.

Do you want to stop pulling stuff out of your ass now?

Can you tell me what, exactly, I "pulled out of my ass" as you put it?

 

[Carl.]

The definition of a reaction time is the amount of time it takes you to react to a situation that occurs. Like having to hit your brakes. So yes, I can in fact think about stopping and hit the brakes in that amount of time.

You didn't answer what I wrote about that. I'd like to know how you measured a 0.013s reaction time.

If my high beams can illuminate the road for more than a quarter of a mile, that's 1,320', do you think my low beams are totally one hundred percent trash? I said the minimum distance that you must be able to see a person is 300' - I didn't say my low beams can see 300' and that's it, stop reading what you want to see.

You know what low beams are for, right? No? I'll give you a hint: it is not blinding other drivers on the road, so unless yours are not following that rule, their range will be not be that far from 300'.

But, for the record, I've got significantly stickier-than-stock tires, mounted on lightweight wheels. My front brakes are 12.8" rotors, with metallic racing brake pads, and 11" drums with high performance shoes in the rear. Stock, my car takes a little under 200' to stop from 70. That means stock everything, including curb weight. My car is three hundred sixty nine and three quarters of a pound lighter than stock - One and a quarter pounds heavier than a Ferrari Enzo.

I don't know, I think my brakes might not be adequate for my vehicle.

369.75 lbs lighter? Wow. Not that I would believe that you pulled an "Evoluzione Engineering weight reduction stage 3"* out of your ass after playing too much Gran Turismo, but I'm just being curious: why does a google search for "Evoluzione Engineering" only returns a few posts / pages by you, about your car?

* info from your cardomain site

 

[Ghost C]

You didn't answer what I wrote about that. I'd like to know how you measured a 0.013s reaction time.

I'd like to know who really killed Kennedy. Why is it so important to you?

You know what low beams are for, right? No? I'll give you a hint: it is not blinding other drivers on the road, so unless yours are not following that rule, their range will be not be that far from 300'.

Really? So it's just not a possibility that I've adjusted my headlights to still be within courtesy and still able to light up the road farther than 300' away?

369.75 lbs lighter? Wow. Not that I would believe that you pulled an "Evoluzione Engineering weight reduction stage 3"* out of your ass after playing too much Gran Turismo, but I'm just being curious: why does a google search for "Evoluzione Engineering" only returns a few posts / pages by you, about your car?

* info from your cardomain site

Why does a google search for it list mostly things printed by me? Well, for one, it might have something to do with Evoluzione Engineering being my company. As in, I own it - I make performance parts, I do custom work, so on and so forth.

As for stages, every 100lbs, I bump the "stage" up a notch. It puts a name to the modification, besides "369.75lb Weight Reduction". Your average consumer likes pretty names for things, it makes them want to buy your product more. And let me tell you, I like to make money more than I care for your opinion on whether or not I "pulled it out of my ass".

If you'd like a live viewing of the performance of my car, I invite you to the same event I invited toyomatt to, the Redline Time Attack Challenge at Summit Point Raceway, WV.

 

[Famine]

The definition of a reaction time is the amount of time it takes you to react to a situation that occurs. Like having to hit your brakes. So yes, I can in fact think about stopping and hit the brakes in that amount of time.

Presumably an automatic then? As there's absolutely no way to receive the information, make a decision, lift your leg, move it to the brake pedal and drop it (modulating where necessary) in that kind of time.

This aside, an oft quoted stat when referring to stopping distances is that "it usually takes about 0.7 seconds to recognize a threat". This is a little overinflated - if you're ready to brake because you're aware that there may be a threat you can probably half that. Say 0.3 seconds. That's 70 feet at 160mph, just to spot the "threat"...

A quick estimate for what, may I ask? Once again, not all cars are created equal. I'll tell you now that your quick estimate is off.

A Geo Metro to do 138mph.

However, my maths say it requires about 143hp (crank) to do 138mph, or twice what it has.

Does it matter how old I am in the first place? What, I must be young because I'm arguing a point with you? OH NOES, HE DISAGREES, HE MUST BE 12.

zOMfG, HE DISLIKES ILLEGAL STREET-RACING, HE MUST DRIVE A SLOW CAR...

 

[Ghost C]

Presumably an automatic then? As there's absolutely no way to receive the information, make a decision, lift your leg, move it to the brake pedal and drop it (modulating where necessary) in that kind of time.

This aside, an oft quoted stat when referring to stopping distances is that "it usually takes about 0.7 seconds to recognize a threat". This is a little overinflated - if you're ready to brake because you're aware that there may be a threat you can probably half that. Say 0.3 seconds. That's 70 feet at 160mph, just to spot the "threat"...

And? Never once did I deny that going 160 is potentially dangerous, but it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

A Geo Metro to do 138mph.

However, my maths say it requires about 143hp (crank) to do 138mph, or twice what it has.

I didn't say Metro, I said Storm. More power, better aerodynamics. Please stop confusing them, they're not even close to being the same car.

zOMfG, HE DISLIKES ILLEGAL STREET-RACING, HE MUST DRIVE A SLOW CAR...

I stated that based on what I've noticed as a trend. Are you denying it? Toyomatt, the first person to respond negatively, drives a Civic that's modified, and he tells me it does a 16s+ 1/4 mile - That's slow. There is a difference between noting that most of the people who make a big stink about street racing have slow cars (Or none at all) and assuming that someone is young because they disagreed with you.

You of all people should realize this.

 

[Carl.]

I'd like to know who really killed Kennedy. Why is it so important to you?

Because I don't believe it's possible to have a reaction time of 0.01s. It's already hard to have an effective reaction time below 0.5s. At 112 mph, that's a difference of 82', and at 160mph, that's 117'. That again assumes your attention 100% focused on the road, and that you're never watching other things, such as a speedometer.

Really? So it's just not a possibility that I've adjusted my headlights to still be within courtesy and still able to light up the road farther than 300' away?

Sure, just not by much, since high beam ranges start at 500' At 110 mph, a stock 350Z requires around 400' to stop, and that's not counting the reaction time, so I failed to see how your Caddy, even modded, would stop in the range of your low beams.

Why does a google search for it list mostly things printed by me? Well, for one, it might have something to do with Evoluzione Engineering being my company. As in, I own it - I make performance parts, I do custom work, so on and so forth.

As for stages, every 100lbs, I bump the "stage" up a notch. It puts a name to the modification, besides "369.75lb Weight Reduction". Your average consumer likes pretty names for things, it makes them want to buy your product more. And let me tell you, I like to make money more than I care for your opinion on whether or not I "pulled it out of my ass".

If you'd like a live viewing of the performance of my car, I invite you to the same event I invited toyomatt to, the Redline Time Attack Challenge at Summit Point Raceway, WV.

I'm afraid that's a bit far for me since I'm in Canada, I'm curious mainly because other than the trunk, your car seems to have a fully trimmed interior, and looks stock. I'm not saying that's it's not possible, but that seems like a lot of weight. Do you have more info/pics of the weight reduction you've made?

 

[Carl.]

I didn't say Metro, I said Storm. More power, better aerodynamics. Please stop confusing them, they're not even close to being the same car.

But you're probably confusing the Storm GSi (130hp) with the base Storm (95hp). 95hp isn't enough to make a car of that size go over 130 mph.

 

[Touring Mars]

This is the single lamest thing I've ever seen done at GTP.

By all means, discuss the relative merits of the activity (i.e. here and here)

How and why is that lame? The fact is, we are discussing the merit of an illegal activity - the fact that this thread is still open is testament to the fact that debate is encouraged and not suppressed - but the posting of videos of illegal activity will not and cannot be tolerated.

 

[Famine]

I do apologise - I read "Metro" instead of "Storm". However, the Metro has a Cd of 0.32 and the Storm has a Cd of 0.31 - scarcely very different (quick comparo - daan's 406 Coupe has a Cd of 0.32, mine has a Cd of 0.31. We have roughly the same top speed though, despite the fact I'm giving away quite a power edge, because my car is slightly smaller to boot).

*numbers plumbing*

Geo Storm requires about 150hp to hit 138mph - which is also more than it has, but within a 5% calculation error and well within a 10% speedo overread.

I stated that based on what I've noticed as a trend.

Yes - you noted that earlier. And yes, I denied it earlier too. It may be a trend you've noticed, but that doesn't make it any more sensible than assuming someone who thinks driving very fast on public roads is cool is a teenager.


My brother, for instance, is no fan of street-racing. Though it should be stated that he does currently have a slow car, it's because he's just sold his Impreza WR1 to fund his Ariel Atom, which requires 4 months to build.

Why are we talking 1/4 mile times with FWD cars anyway? Isn't that like taking brogues to an ass-kicking contest?

 

[Ghost C]

Because I don't believe it's possible to have a reaction time of 0.01s. It's already hard to have an effective reaction time below 0.5s. At 112 mph, that's a difference of 82', and at 160mph, that's 117'. That again assumes your attention 100% focused on the road, and that you're never watching the speedometer.

When I'm doing 100+ I'm not worried about how fast I'm going. That may just be me, since my speedometer only goes to 85 in the first place, and only actually has an effective range to just over 70 (Gogo ribbon speedo), but I'd assume anyone with half a brain would be watching the road.

As for the reaction time, it was measured on a machine for some vague purpose by the government that probably involved the military when I was in high school. 0.013 was the best time I attained, 0.016 was the worst.

Sure, just not by much, since high beam ranges start at 500' At 110 mph, a stock 350Z requires around 400' to stop, and that's not counting the reaction time.

I won't argue, but I will say that Z's have better low beams than my car, so I would imagine the high beams can outperform my lights as well.

I'm afraid that's a bit far for me since I'm in Canada, I'm curious mainly because other than the trunk, your car seems to have a fully trimmed interior, and looks stock. I'm not saying that's it's not possible, but that seems like a lot of weight. Do you have more info/pics of the weight reduction you've made?

I'll admit that the 369.75 is counting with the back seat out, with the back seat in, it's 70lbs heavier. I run the car with it about half the time, when I'm transporting people. If I'm racing or not carrying people, it comes out in about five minutes and is only held in by two bolts that are only hand-tightened.

As for the rest of the weight, my wheel and tire setup is 60lbs lighter than stock, 55lbs from removing the spare tire & jack, and I've removed so much random stuff from here and there. Even my audio setup was made to be lighter than stock (I saved 8lbs). I've got it all written down, and it was all weighed with a precision calibrated butcher's 100lb scale that weighs things down to 1/10th of a pound. If I listed it all it would take up more than a page.

I will say that it's hard to find 1 place to remove 100lbs, but it's easy to find 100 places to remove 1lb.

Edit:

But you're probably confusing the Storm GSi (130hp) with the base Storm (95hp). 95hp isn't enough to make a car of that size go over 130 mph.

Nope, the GSi has shorter gears, it can't go 138mph due to gearing limitations. Trust me, I know my Storms. Hell, I've even got spares of both transmissions sitting in my storage building.

My brother, for instance, is no fan of street-racing. Though it should be stated that he does currently have a slow car, it's because he's just sold his Impreza WR1 to fund his Ariel Atom, which requires 4 months to build.

Well, see, he drives a slow car. His opinion doesn't count.

How and why is that lame? The fact is, we are discussing the merit of an illegal activity - the fact that this thread is still open is testament to the fact that debate is encouraged and not suppressed - but the posting of videos of illegal activity will not and cannot be tolerated.

It's lame because the link was removed for no real reason. No major automotive site condones street racing - That's why they have disclaimers stating the fact. But removing links to videos? That's a whole other level. You better find the thread with the videos of me revving my car in my driveway. My muffler was breaking a county noise ordnance at the time and I could've been fined had anyone cared.

If you're going to do it, do it all the way.

 

[Carl.]

When I'm doing 100+ I'm not worried about how fast I'm going. That may just be me, since my speedometer only goes to 85 in the first place, and only actually has an effective range to just over 70 (Gogo ribbon speedo), but I'd assume anyone with half a brain would be watching the road.

My guess is that there's a good chance that someone who does a top speed run will check the speedo from time to time to see how fast they're going.

As for the reaction time, it was measured on a machine for some vague purpose by the government that probably involved the military when I was in high school. 0.013 was the best time I attained, 0.016 was the worst.

And what was the setup? There's a difference from pressing a button your hand / finger is already over when you hear a buzzer and assessing if what you're seeing on the road a few hundred feet away is an obstacle, moving your foot from to the brake pedal and start braking.

I won't argue, but I will say that Z's have better low beams than my car, so I would imagine the high beams can outperform my lights as well.

The comparison between your car and the Z was for the brakes, I believe the same rule applies to any car low beams... if they allow you to see that far, they're dangerous.

I'll admit that the 369.75 is counting with the back seat out, with the back seat in, it's 70lbs heavier. I run the car with it about half the time, when I'm transporting people. If I'm racing or not carrying people, it comes out in about five minutes and is only held in by two bolts that are only hand-tightened.

As for the rest of the weight, my wheel and tire setup is 60lbs lighter than stock, 55lbs from removing the spare tire & jack, and I've removed so much random stuff from here and there. Even my audio setup was made to be lighter than stock (I saved 8lbs). I've got it all written down, and it was all weighed with a precision calibrated butcher's 100lb scale that weighs things down to 1/10th of a pound. If I listed it all it would take up more than a page.

I will say that it's hard to find 1 place to remove 100lbs, but it's easy to find 100 places to remove 1lb.

Ok, including the backseat and wheels explains a bit, thanks.

Nope, the GSi has shorter gears, it can't go 138mph due to gearing limitations. Trust me, I know my Storms. Hell, I've even got spares of both transmissions sitting in my storage building.

I've heard about the short gearing for the GSi, but still, I don't believe a 95hp car with such drag coefficient can do 138mph. No way. A previous gen civic hatchback had 106hp and comparable aerodynamics, if not better, and it couldn't do over 120mph. Whatever the gearing is, 95hp not enough for the air resistance at that speed.

 

[backspace]

I'll admit that the 369.75 is counting with the back seat out, with the back seat in, it's 70lbs heavier. I run the car with it about half the time, when I'm transporting people. If I'm racing or not carrying people, it comes out in about five minutes and is only held in by two bolts that are only hand-tightened.

As for the rest of the weight, my wheel and tire setup is 60lbs lighter than stock, 55lbs from removing the spare tire & jack, and I've removed so much random stuff from here and there. Even my audio setup was made to be lighter than stock (I saved 8lbs). I've got it all written down, and it was all weighed with a precision calibrated butcher's 100lb scale that weighs things down to 1/10th of a pound. If I listed it all it would take up more than a page.

I will say that it's hard to find 1 place to remove 100lbs, but it's easy to find 100 places to remove 1lb.

What else did you modify to get rid of the other ~180 lbs? That's a lot of weight.

 

[Ghost C]

What else did you modify to get rid of the other ~180 lbs? That's a lot of weight.

My exhaust setup is lighter, carpeting, sound deadening material, removed the windshield washer tank + fluid, various clamps and brackets, a few bumper support pieces, some things were cut with a dremel tool here and there.

The only things left to do as far as weight reduction is a custom FG or CF hood & trunk, removal of the A/C condenser and associated parts, and racing seats for the front.

It's easy to remove weight from a luxury car, just remove the luxury.

 

[Driftster]

Don't mean to jump in here, but Ghost C is 100% right. There is ALOT of things to get rid of on the inside/outside of a DeVille

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

You'd think I posted the video on some AARP website or a police forum form the reactions I'm getting. Oh well no skin off my back, you guys have fun racing on your PS2's in the mean time I'll stick to my thing and make my own decisions as to what I choose to do, and not do.

and while were at it, since my links are being deleted you missed one on the first page, post 19

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

My exhaust setup is lighter, carpeting, sound deadening material, removed the windshield washer tank + fluid, various clamps and brackets, a few bumper support pieces, some things were cut with a dremel tool here and there.

The only things left to do as far as weight reduction is a custom FG or CF hood & trunk, removal of the A/C condenser and associated parts, and racing seats for the front.

It's easy to remove weight from a luxury car, just remove the luxury.

Hell passenger seats weigh like 40 lbs, get rid of the back seat to and you've saved a whole hell of a lot of weight, getting rid of 180 lbs isnt that hard. I think your project is pretty damn cool Ghost C, keep it up

 

[Famine]

You'd think I posted the video on some AARP website or a police forum form the reactions I'm getting. Oh well no skin off my back, you guys have fun racing on your PS2's in the mean time I'll stick to my thing and make my own decisions as to what I choose to do, and not do.

You agreed to the AUP/ToS when you signed up. No point whining about it now.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

You agreed to the AUP/ToS when you signed up. No point whining about it now.

So did you, yet here is an off topic post, also against the AUP/ToS, funny how that works isn't it?

 

[Kylehnat]

So did you, yet here is an off topic post, also against the AUP/ToS, funny how that works isn't it?

Famine has perpetual immunity from moderator harassment. Get one of those green boxes below your avatar, and maybe you will too.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Famine has perpetual immunity from moderator harassment. Get one of those green boxes below your avatar, and maybe you will too.

Sorry but as fun as that sounds its not on my list of things I want to accomplish in life. Plus I don't really mind the harrasment all that much In the end its all good, perhaps I've just been gone from this site too long to notice the change that has occured. New members, new experiences, new mentality I suppose.

 

[Dorifto]

Lotsa little sissys.

 

[DARKEST_HOUR]

indeed.

 

[Dorifto]

Huzzah!!

 

[Driftster]

"omg you're speeding at 2AM"
"you put millions of people in jeapordy, like..Random guy walking his dog on highway number 1"


The only beef I have with what ANYONE said so far..is..

A Cadillac at 120+ mph...is technically a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[Famine]

So did you, yet here is an off topic post, also against the AUP/ToS, funny how that works isn't it?

How is it "off-topic" when it's a direct response to your post? Would that not imply that your post was off-topic in order for my reply to be? You were commenting on the reaction of the members/staff of this site to your post which breached the ToS/AUP you agreed to when you signed up. If you don't like the rules, then you shouldn't have agreed to them in the first place rather than complaining after-the-fact.

Fact is, you agreed to the ToS/AUP when you signed up. Posting a video of yourself doing 150mph+ on public roads is right up there. They also say that moderators can remove any message or part of message for any reason...

New members, new experiences, new mentality I suppose.

I've been here - perpetually, judging by my post count - a month more than you have. Street-racing and excessive speed on public roads has always been frowned upon. Check some of BX's (formerly BlazinXtreme, formerly streetracer780) earliest threads, some of which predate either of us on this site by nearly a year.

"you put millions of people in jeapordy, like..Random guy walking his dog on highway number 1"

To take the choice of what risk to take away from even ONE person is immoral, not least for some puerile willy-waving competition. If YOU can be on the highway then someone else can be. You've chosen to take the risk of your excessive speed - they have not.

There is a time and a place. That place is a track - with an heightened level of risk agreed to by ALL attendees and emergency services in place to deal with it.