Honda Civic Type-R to get 2.0 turbo engine (300bhp+)

[SlipZtrEm]

With the Golf R400 coming out I don't care at all about this thing now. With the Golf you get two more driven wheels and 100 more horsepower (and German engineering); even if you're a FWD fan you have to admit the Golf R400 should be superior.

With the Tesla Model S P85D coming out I don't care at all about this thing now. With the Tesla you get two more driven wheels and almost 400 more horsepower (and American engineering); even if you're a FWD fan you have to admit the Tesla Model S P85D should be superior.

 

[JMoney]

With the Tesla Model S P85D coming out I don't care at all about this thing now. With the Tesla you get two more driven wheels and almost 400 more horsepower (and American engineering); even if you're a FWD fan you have to admit the Tesla Model S P85D should be superior.

Duh, why wouldn't it be? However the Tesla is a full-size sports sedan, and is thus irrelevant to the Civic.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Duh, why wouldn't it be? However the Tesla is a full-size sports sedan, and is thus irrelevant to the Civic.

Yet a 4WD concept with no confirmed production stats from its own company, that would conceivably start at a much higher price of entry than the Type-R, is?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

With the Golf R400 coming out I don't care at all about this thing now. With the Golf you get two more driven wheels and 100 more horsepower (and German engineering); even if you're a FWD fan you have to admit the Golf R400 should be superior.

You don't need to be a FWD fan and AWD doesn't mean more power, unless it can absolutely apply 100 percent of it's power with out the actual power losses seen from AWD. Also you make it seem like its constant AWD is this the case? If so can you show this? At least @SlipZtrEm gave an example that is correctly applied to what you tried to do. Also I'd be far more interested in the Focus RS over either the R400 and this Civic.

German engineering tagline might be nice for those who think that it actually produces better results on average but they have and have had just as many issues and are typically known for over-engineering pieces that need to routinely be brought in over other nationality cars VW being one of the worst offenders.

 

[JMoney]

AWD doesn't mean more power

I know that .

Also you make it seem like its constant AWD is this the case?

I believe it would be, is it not in the standard Golf R?

Also with the claim that this may use the 2.3l ecoboost seen in the Mustang which can be up to 350, the R400 will have 450?

Did you post to the wrong thread? This is about a Honda, not a Ford.

Yet a 4WD concept with no confirmed production stats from its own company, that would conceivably start at a much higher price of entry than the Type-R, is?

It's a hot hatch, and other than the Golf this would be as close to a competitor as it can get.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I know that .



I believe it would be, is it not in the standard Golf R?



Did you post to the wrong thread? This is about a Honda, not a Ford.



It's a hot hatch, and other than the Golf this would be as close to a competitor as it can get.

Look at the post above you again. Also you believing something doesn't confirm or get us any closer to that.

 

[JMoney]

Look at the post above you again. Also you believing something doesn't confirm or get us any closer to that.

You edited that crap . I don't have to believe that the Golf R400, if produced would be AWD. FWD would simply be idiotic.

Admit it, you really did think this was the Focus ST thread. You criticized my assumption that the Golf had 100 more horsepower than a Focus, which hadn't even been mentioned yet.

Admit it or I'm going to ignore you. I'm not wasting time with people who go back and edit their posts.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You edited that crap . I don't have to believe that the Golf R400, if produced

Admit it, you really did think this was the Focus ST thread. You criticized my assumption that the Golf had 100 more horsepower than a Focus, which hadn't even been mentioned yet.

Admit it or I'm going to ignore you. I'm not wasting time with people who go back and edit their posts.

No I didn't really believe it was the Focus ST thread, now if you had said the RS thread I'd have had to say perhaps and funny you quoted me saying that and still got it wrong (implied) . And if you're not going to waste time on people editing their posts you might as well ignore more than half of gtp. Also if you want to ignore me to save yourself from arguing with a person that only hangs around gtp for 3 months out of the year on average...be my guest.

Also editing it to rectify mistakes and be on point, why you have an issue with this is bizarre but then again as I said (bringing it full circle), you're goofy.

 

[JMoney]

Okay, I'll admit I got the trim wrong if you admit you got the thread wrong. And you called me goofy .

 

[niky]

With the Golf R400 coming out I don't care at all about this thing now. With the Golf you get two more driven wheels and 100 more horsepower (and German engineering); even if you're a FWD fan you have to admit the Golf R400 should be superior.

"Should" isn't quite the same as "will be."

Will it be faster in a drag race? Most likely.

Will it be more fun to drive on a twisty road? Won't know till both come out.

Not all AWD vehicles are built the same. Lots of variation based on whether they have a Haldex center differential or full-time AWD (most don't, because it's a waste of gas... and if they get the center differential programming wrong, it can feel unnatural and abrupt when you're hooning it), based on what the torque split is (and with a Haldex, it's typically not better than 50:50), and based on the differentials at each axle (LSD, eLSD, VW's interesting new Haldex-type locking differential, etcetera).

I've driven lots of fun AWDs. I've also driven some high-horse AWD cars that are fun, but not necessarily more fun than a FWD come the corners. Without the clever differential juggling of something like a GTR, or even an EVO or an STI, they can feel pretty inert... even compared to FWD variants based on the same platform.

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So, TL;DR, no, "Should" isn't quite the same as "will be."

 

[1241Penguin]

Point: AWD is not always better.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Point: AWD is not always better.

That video is apples to oranges comparison. S3 is several hundred kilos heavier than any of those.. Hence why, I shall yet again use this one:

 

[Grandea GTR]

Comparing an S3 to all of those cars is like David and Goliath. It will obviously lose against much lighter cars. A better AWD car to use would be an Evo or a WRX STi.

 

[1241Penguin]

That video is apples to oranges comparison. S3 is several hundred kilos heavier than any of those.. Hence why, I shall yet again use this one:

It was a simple illustration that AWD is not always better, as JMoney is trying to argue.

 

[ImaRobot]

Comparing an S3 to all of those cars is like David and Goliath. It will obviously lose against much lighter cars. A better AWD car to use would be an Evo or a WRX STi.

No it wouldnt, because then it would be the exact same thing, just the AWD having a powerful handicap. You want a car with similar power and weight, atleast, if you're going to make a fair comparison.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Okay, I'll admit I got the trim wrong if you admit you got the thread wrong. And you called me goofy .

Uh nah. I don't negotiate with terrorist


This is a joke that most likely will go over his head so... Key note is it's a joke.

 

[mustafur]

Comparing an S3 to all of those cars is like David and Goliath. It will obviously lose against much lighter cars. A better AWD car to use would be an Evo or a WRX STi.

Thats only because that S3 is underpowered, current S3 would clean the floor with all those cars plus the current Evo/STI.

 

[RocZX]

First pics of the production version, it will be shown at Geneva.

 

[Grandea GTR]

First pics of the production version, it will be shown at Geneva.

Those gauges look so sinister.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

I hope it keeps the devil horn style spoiler.

 

[GTboyz]

Im interested on how this handles. Over 300 hp with FWD drivetrain is always interesting.

 

[Grandea GTR]

Im interested on how this handles. Over 300 hp with FWD drivetrain is always interesting.

It's Honda. They almost always get the handling right with FWD performance

 

[GTboyz]

It's Honda. They almost always get the handling right with FWD performance

Yeah you're right. Tbh, i'm still getting used to hearing FWD making more than 300hp because of the FWD stereotype

I want to see how this stack up against the new Focus RS

 

[Keef]

That video is apples to oranges comparison. S3 is several hundred kilos heavier than any of those.. Hence why, I shall yet again use this one:

Comparing an S3 to all of those cars is like David and Goliath. It will obviously lose against much lighter cars. A better AWD car to use would be an Evo or a WRX STi.

The Evo and STi wouldn't be fair comparisons either. Not only are they well heavier than the Hondas but they also produced 280+ horses at the time, 60 more than the Type Rs. The reason the S3 was chosen for the test is because it produces similar power to the Hondas.

 

[Cale]

Honda is touting a 167mph top speed.


why

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

There are certain cars that are limited to 155..

 

[TheCracker]

There are certain cars that are limited to 155..

Yeah, all German hot hatches will be limited to 155mph. Comes down to gearing for the others i guess. Honda's previous Type-R had shortish ratios to make the most of the VTEC's narrow power band. The new turbocharged engine will have a broader torque/power range so can utilize longer ratios. 300+hp and six speeds is plenty enough to reach 167.

The Ferrari 328 from the late 80's had a top speed of about the same. That only needed 270hp and 5 gears to reach that.

 

[05XR8]

The NEON SRT was good for 153mph or 157mph? That had about the same hp as the EP3 Type R 215-220hp.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

First pics of the production version, it will be shown at Geneva.

7100rpm redline. Lowest ever for a type r?

 

[AudiMan2011]

7100rpm redline. Lowest ever for a type r?

Blame the fact it's now turbocharged.