Hood View! PD Please put it in!

[JDMKING13]

I will be getting video footage today of this roof/hood cam for you guys so you can get a better perspective. 👍

 

[Falango]

You mean like the SLR video that is a hood view. The hood is mostly flat and takes up the whole bottom of the TV.

That's a roof cam. If it was a hood cam, the hood would look skewed (sides of the hood very close to the camera would go off the side edge of the screen, not the bottom), trust me on this. If I have to, I will post some renders of a rally car I built in 3D to show you what I mean. It's a simple understanding of perspective and what a camera sees. There is no way you'd see the front edge of that hood if it was a hood cam. It would appear to drop out of sight sooner if that was the case. I'll post what I'm getting on about when I'm home late tonight so you can understand.

 

[Devedander]

I'm aware lol random?

Wow, I thought it had a hood cam. Guess I haven't played in a while Thanks

What I was getting at was that just because it was in gtpsp doesn't mean it will be in gt5.

Would a GTPSP-style cockpit view (blackened outlines, no details) for standard cars be a substitute for a proper hood view, or do people want a hood view regardless if all cars will have some sort of cockpit view or not?

If all cars will turn out to have a cockpit view, I wouldn't feel the need for a hood view at all, personally.

Its been officially stated blacked out borders cockpit won't happen. No interior camers whatsoever.

 

[JDMKING13]

That's a roof cam. If it was a hood cam, the hood would look skewed (sides of the hood very close to the camera would go off the side edge of the screen, not the bottom), trust me on this. If I have to, I will post some renders of a rally car I built in 3D to show you what I mean. It's a simple understanding of perspective and what a camera sees. There is no way you'd see the front edge of that hood if it was a hood cam. It would appear to drop out of sight sooner if that was the case. I'll post what I'm getting on about when I'm home late tonight so you can understand.

I dont know man its kinda weird because if you look at the two picture you can actually see the roof on the Nascar the view is actually higher than the Stingray. The Stingray picture Its like a mixture of both cams.

Stingray

Nascar

 

[trk29]

That's a roof cam. If it was a hood cam, the hood would look skewed (sides of the hood very close to the camera would go off the side edge of the screen, not the bottom), trust me on this. If I have to, I will post some renders of a rally car I built in 3D to show you what I mean. It's a simple understanding of perspective and what a camera sees. There is no way you'd see the front edge of that hood if it was a hood cam. It would appear to drop out of sight sooner if that was the case. I'll post what I'm getting on about when I'm home late tonight so you can understand.

I do understand when you say things like the front edge of hood. I will say this though it looks like to me that they have been playing around with these two views trying to find what works because we do not have this kinda conversation about GT5P because every roof view in that game looks like a roof view I've never second guessed myself like I have been doing now with all this talk about what kind of view we are actually looking at.

If it wasn't clear enough the posts would be alot different in this thread.

I dont know man its kinda weird because if you look at the two picture you can actually see the roof on the Nascar the view is actually higher than the Stingray. The Stingray picture Its like a mixture of both cams.

This is exactly what I am talking about we see some cars where you can see part of roof and others you can't.

 

[Falango]

Well I will analyze it using a car I made, and post what I find. I'll use screenshots from in game to mimic the exact camera position on the car to see if we can put this all to rest. I'll also be able to find out exactly what focal length the cameras are as well. I'll post all this info in a new thread and link it here. I'll do the same for a bumper cam so we can get an idea of just how high it is off the ground.

I dont know man its kinda weird because if you look at the two picture you can actually see the roof on the Nascar the view is actually higher than the Stingray. The Stingray picture Its like a mixture of both cams.

Stingray

Nascar

The Stingray looks like its coming over the crest of a small hill, but it's a bad image to use for camera referencing. Also, the picture is only looking at the bottom portion of the screen, so our eye is tricked into thinking the camera is pointing down based on how much road surface we see vs. what is above the horizon.

 

[mayonaiske]

would be nice for custom cam position.

something like in settings u see a 3d car model and then u can ghost fly the cam and fix it in position.
and select the turning speed or fixed steering ...

everyone own custom cam
souldnt be to hard to make

or atleast some more cams like close , far , roof front , roof back , hood , bumper , cockpit , cockpit center , i dunno

everything upgrades in gt5 but cams stay old way

 

[shirakawaa]

Its been officially stated blacked out borders cockpit won't happen. No interior camers whatsoever.

First of all, I meant If they get included. If they do, I wouldn't feel the need for a hood cam, this is what I wrote, and the point of my previous post.

Secondly, many things have been officially stated, but it doesn't mean that they are fixed in stone and can't change in the course of development, considering that we have yet to see any gameplay video of GT5 featuring standard cars. Showing "last minute improvements" would be in PD's best interest to help people accept the existence of the so-called "standard" models.

Anyway, that matter is probably off-topic here, and I'm not implying that things will surely change in the final build. Just that there's a possibility, as technically there's nothing preventing PD to add them as mentioned by KY himself.

 

[trk29]

Well I will analyze it using a car I made, and post what I find. I'll use screenshots from in game to mimic the exact camera position on the car to see if we can put this all to rest. I'll also be able to find out exactly what focal length the cameras are as well. I'll post all this info in a new thread and link it here. I'll do the same for a bumper cam so we can get an idea of just how high it is off the ground.



The Stingray looks like its coming over the crest of a small hill, but it's a bad image to use for camera referencing. Also, the picture is only looking at the bottom portion of the screen, so our eye is tricked into thinking the camera is pointing down based on how much road surface we see vs. what is above the horizon.

Well in GT5P if you switch from cockpit view to bumper view the height of the camera in reference to the road doesn't change and everyone knows that. So post your findings about the hood/roof view. Would be glad to know but it clearly looks like several different views are being used to me.

 

[JDMKING13]

Well in GT5P if you switch from cockpit view to bumper view the height of the camera in reference to the road doesn't change and everyone knows that. So post your findings. Would be glad to know but it clearly looks like several different views are being used to me.

👍 you can clearly see its different from the nascar

Look at this one

Autech GTR looks like hood view I will be taking video and photos on my good camera today.

It looks nothing compared to the Nascar view.

Nascar

 

[Falango]

Look at those 2 pictures again. Look at where the lap time display is in both views. Once again, those pictures don't show the entire screen, so you can't compare the two at all. Find some full screen, straight on pictures, or videos, and compare those.

 

[JDMKING13]

Look at those 2 pictures again. Look at where the lap time display is in both views. Once again, those pictures don't show the entire screen, so you can't compare the two at all. Find some full screen, straight on pictures, or videos, and compare those.

Bro I played the game If I move the camera up all your going to see is a little more sky. The Nascar looks like that because its a whole different view from the GTR not because of camera placement.

 

[terminator363]

They are all too high up, still.

 

[Falango]

Bro I played the game If I move the camera up all your going to see is a little more sky. The Nascar looks like that because its a whole different view from the GTR not because of camera placement.

I know you'll just see sky, I know the sky is up..........

What I'm saying is its easy for people to look at it and be tricked based on how much road surface we see as a percentage of the entire image. Think about it that way. If you took a pic of the screen, but cut it off right at the horizon, or the tree line, you could say the same thing, there's only sky up there. The fact the picture is filled with pavement doesn't provide any evidence towards the argument. It's the same principle.......bro.....

 

[Devedander]

First of all, I meant If they get included. If they do, I wouldn't feel the need for a hood cam, this is what I wrote, and the point of my previous post.

Secondly, many things have been officially stated, but it doesn't mean that they are fixed in stone and can't change in the course of development, considering that we have yet to see any gameplay video of GT5 featuring standard cars. Showing "last minute improvements" would be in PD's best interest to help people accept the existence of the so-called "standard" models.

Anyway, that matter is probably off-topic here, and I'm not implying that things will surely change in the final build. Just that there's a possibility, as technically there's nothing preventing PD to add them as mentioned by KY himself.

There is no if. There have been times where they weren't officially working on something yet, or it seemed unlikely, but it still eventually got added, but in this case Kaz specifically said about standard cockpits that they tried the GTPSP black borders already and it wasn't going to happen.

They went so far as to put the disclaimer on the GT site that the standards will not have interior cameras.

It's one thing to not confirm or say you think it's unlikely, but in this case it's as close to written in stone as it gets. It's one of the most absolute and direct statements we have had about this game.

 

[trk29]

Look at those 2 pictures again. Look at where the lap time display is in both views. Once again, those pictures don't show the entire screen, so you can't compare the two at all. Find some full screen, straight on pictures, or videos, and compare those.

It still doesn't change the fact that you can see the roof of the nascar but not of the other car when both pictures clearly show the bottom of the tv frame thats all he is saying the roof is clearly seen in one picture and not in the other. It really doens't matter how much of the tv screen you can see when you are talking about the body of the car.

 

[Falango]

The cameras might be positioned slightly differently from one car to the next, based on the cars proportions and height, etc. Each cars features may be in slightly different places if the camera is in the exact same position, let's say based on the cars central point on the 3D model. The fact that you can't see the roof, doesn't mean it's not a roof cam. If the camera is sitting right on the front edge, the roof may not be in the frame. If you put the camera on the roof of the car, facing forward, not pitched up or down, and slowly move it forward, the roof will eventually be out of sight, even though the camera is still on the roof. Get my point?

 

[JDMKING13]

It still doesn't change the fact that you can see the roof of the nascar but not of the other car when both pictures clearly show the bottom of the tv frame thats all he is saying the roof is clearly seen in one picture and not in the other. It really doens't matter how much of the tv screen you can see when you are talking about the body of the car.

Dont explain he is mister know it all, but I went to game stop real quick with my bro here are better pics. I also took some quick videos. i will post them later I have to go Pumpkin picking with my family whoo hooo... Ughhh

 

[trk29]

Dont explain he is mister know it all, but I went to game stop real quick with my bro here are better pics. I also took some quick videos. i will post them later I have to go Pumpkin picking with my family whoo hooo... Ughhh

Good pictures...Unless Nascar runs with a off center hood scoop and a antenna on the hood that is clearly a roof. Now you know for it to be legit someone will say you should have taken the same picture at the same track at the exact same curve.

 

[JDMKING13]

Good pictures...Unless Nascar runs with a off center hood scoop and a antenna on the hood that is clearly a roof.

Exactly 👍

 

[Falango]

I'm just stating what I see, and trying to explain my reasoning behind this. Those last two pictures are pretty good proof that this looks like a roof cam in both. The horizon is identical, and well, one has a roof in it, lol.

 

[trk29]

I'm just stating what I see, and trying to explain my reasoning behind this. Those last two pictures are pretty good proof that this looks like a roof cam in both. The horizon is identical, and well, one has a roof in it, lol.

But he and I are saying the top picture doesn't show a roof and the bottom one does so, clearly the top pic is a hood view and the bottom is a roof view.

 

[Falango]

You need to go back and read my reply before last. Just because the roof isn't seen, doesn't mean it's not a roof cam. The position is identical in both. We don't see the bumper in the bumper cam, so why is it called that? Say it with me now..............CAMERA..........POSITION..........

 

[JDMKING13]

Here you go folks

 

[trk29]

I'm going to have to ask you to quit moving the camera in your vids the ...............position..............is getting me a little sick

You need to go back and read my reply before last. Just because the roof isn't seen, doesn't mean it's not a roof cam. The position is identical in both. We don't see the bumper in the bumper cam, so why is it called that? Say it with me now..............CAMERA..........POSITION..........

I don't need to go back and read your last reply. Each car is on flat level ground and the ....................CAMERA..................POSITION..............is the same. Your saying the vette was different because it looked like it was going uphill well the Motul isn't.

I really don't think you need to talk to me like I'm a little kid. Just like you stated to JDMKING13 "bro." Talking down isn't the answer.

Whatever, I am done evidently you can't talk without getting offended. Think what you want and I will think what I want we have both stated our theories and neither of us know the truth until we play the game. So off with ya.

 

[JDMKING13]

I don't think I need to go back and read your last reply. Each car is on flat level ground and the ....................CAMERA..................POSITION..............is the same.

I really don't think you need to talk to me like I'm a little kid. Just like you stated "bro" to JDMKING13. Talking down isn't the answer.

Whatever, I am done evidently you can talk without getting offended. Think what you want and I will think what I want we have both stated our theories and neither of us know the truth until we play the game. So off with ya. Later

I got video proof bro so don't worry about what he is saying just watch the videos Im going to put some more up later 👍

 

[Kryz11]

The camera inside the NASCAR, did you change that? or it was Automatic? It be cool to see a replay in on-board camera view

 

[JDMKING13]

The camera inside the NASCAR, did you change that? or it was Automatic? It be cool to see a replay in on-board camera view

I change it for you guys I will do the same for all cars 👍 watch the nascar at 1:24 watch he he shift the gears. Amazing!!

 

[Kryz11]

So all cars have it? How cool! I cant wait. I some video of the TT demo with on-board view that a player could switch, but once I downloaded the TT demo it was never there
I hope its in full game.

 

[JDMKING13]

So all cars have it? How cool! I cant wait. I some video of the TT demo with on-board view that a player could switch, but once I downloaded the TT demo it was never there
I hope its in full game.

Yup all cars have it you can switch it yourself I'm going back now to get more!!