I was speechless.

[topmounter]

True, however, from the video shown, this car is averaging a speed not far off the CART cars. And though it isn't going in 1 direction or experiencing vertical & horizion G's like the CART drivers, the driver is under constant Gs from nearly each & every corner of Suzuka considering the X1 was running over 300Kph through each of them.

Yes. In theory.

At these speeds around Suzuka, I doubt a few laps. As for physical fitness, it wouldn't matter between the 2. Any driver attempting to run this course up to 260Mph through a turn would be spending a long time just running the course at half the car's "supposed" capabilities & going through intense training before even attempting to go flat out.

G-Suits can manage blood circulation. Musclar stress is another issue.

I just wonder...

How would an 8G lateral load affect blood flow in the brain? This isn't the sort of force that G-suits are designed to mitigate, not to mention the exercises utilized by fighter pilots... those are meant to help control the flow of blood between the lower and upper extremities, not laterally across the body.

And then what are the effects of rapid side to side application of 8G's of force to the musculature of the neck... Based on the fact that F1 drivers already find CCW oriented tracks challenging, something tells me that no current race car driver (F1, Indy or otherwise) is going to be able to jump in a car and take 8G's without considerable strength training (or braces that would limit head movement and visibility).

Regardless, as with ultra high-performance aircraft (the human pilot is easily the weakest link), the performance of this car is probably more realistic if piloted remotely.

 

[RobGT81]

The G-meter on the HUD makes no sense on that video

 

[Lada]

Video was cool, but no driver in the world would have the reactions to drive it like that, plus as mentioned the tyres would need to be made out of asbestos and super glue.

 

[psavi]

I am afraid you are wrong, they do not have ground effect fans. The only cars ever produced with them are the Brabham and the Chaparral. I have been in an F50 and I have been to the McLaren factory they just don't have those fans. Check your facts mate.

It's really cool that you have visited the McLaren factory. I wish I could do that.
By the way, you say i'm wrong, but this articles and the most respected F1 forum I know beg to differ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1#Aerodynamics
http://www.autozine.org/Archive/McLaren/classic/F1.html
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=173460&highlight=ground+effect+fans
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/mclaren-f1.htm
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/349/McLaren-F1.html

Just search for the word "fan" or "ground effect", you will find.

And I'm pretty sure I read or heard that those holes in the front hood of the F50 have fans that suck air. I just can't find where.

 

[Mr. Boy]

Did Adrian Newey design the whole car? Or did Polyphony design it and Newey just gave them some pointers, like adding the fan?

Anyway, can't wait to get to Level 30!

 

[Milo78]

It's really cool that you have visited the McLaren factory. I wish I could do that. But this articles and the most respected F1 forum I know beg to differ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1#Aerodynamics
http://www.autozine.org/Archive/McLaren/classic/F1.html
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=173460&highlight=ground+effect+fans
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/mclaren-f1.htm
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/349/McLaren-F1.html

Just search for the word "fan" or "ground effect", you will find.

And I'm pretty sure I read or heard that those holes in the front hood of the F50 have fans that suck air. I just can't find where.

I stand corrected, I genuinley thought they where for cooling only. But I don't remember anything like that on the Ferrari, I will find out though and let you know. I will try to get pics as well.

 

[psavi]

I stand corrected, I genuinley thought they where for cooling only. But I don't remember anything like that on the Ferrari, I will find out though and let you know. I will try to get pics as well.

I found where I heard it. It's from a video I have from old Top Gear that compares the a Ferrari F1 and a Ferrari F50. Young Jeremy Clarkson drives the F50 and says that there are fans in the front that suck air. If you want the video I could upload it.

 

[Pedal-Force]

I have to agree that the best shot this car has at being real, is with a human driving remotely. Computers don't mind G-Forces very much. I'm not sure how well the engine would handle them though, even with a dry sump you might have trouble keeping stuff lubricated at those kind of G-forces.

I'm not sure how a fuel system would even keep fuel flowing at those G-Forces. How do you keep fuel near the pickup?

 

[zdawood89]

Many of you have seen this by now: https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-things-are-just-getting-started/
Near the end of that link's vid, Sebastian Vettel does a fast lap with the X1 on the Nurburgring GP course with a time of 1'04.853.

The person who's video started this thread did it in 1'04.391.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD0yARgRV-4
Before he plays the replay, you can see in the upper right his fastest lap time.

Dare I say, GTRP_harku is faster than Sebastian Vettel?

Anyone know what the Gold time is for the Nurburgring GP challenge.
And should we double S. Vettel's lap time (and give him a one sec buffer for the outlap [2'09.706 + 0'01.000]), does he make it within the allotted time for gold?

If the F1 World Champion can't do it, then I have high doubts that more than 1% of the GT5 population will be able to do it.
Still I can't wait to try it though.

 

[Chamovski]

Strange you feel this way about there being a fan car considering you know what the Chapperal 2J is since you brought GT4.[/QUOTE]

I dont doubt that fans have been tried, tested, and have had "some" success down the years, but at these speeds around Suzuka?? Are you kidding me? Its ludicrous. The Chaparral as i remember was a god awful thing anyway.

 

[Pedal-Force]

I dont doubt that fans have been tried, tested, and have had "some" success down the years, but at these speeds around Suzuka?? Are you kidding me? Its ludicrous. The Chaparral as i remember was a god awful thing anyway.

If by "god awful" you mean, destroyed the competition so badly that they had to put rocks on the course to mess up the downforce and then got it banned altogether, then yes, it was "god awful".

 

[Chamovski]

If by "god awful" you mean, destroyed the competition so badly that they had to put rocks on the course to mess up the downforce and then got it banned altogether, then yes, it was "god awful".

Just a personal opinion my friend, im a purist. I like my cars to handle and look like cars, not air conditioning units with wheels.

 

[Verbal]

At one point in the video, the car went from 400 to 300kph in around a second. That's 248mph to 186Mph for US guys. Unlike in the video, your body would violently go forward & being strapped in, I can't imagine what kind of force the straps would exert on you as your body tried to move forward from the sheer braking power.

That's 2.8g, piece of cake for a F1 car at speed.

 

[Olvi]

This crazy guy has gotten gold from Suzuka+Monza.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

This crazy guy has gotten gold from Suzuka+Monza.

I posted this here to: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=138844&page=3#post4263247

 

[zdawood89]

Anyone have thoughts on my earlier post on this page regarding Vettel's time on Nurburgring GP with X1?

 

[ezzyos]

Anyone have thoughts on my earlier post on this page regarding Vettel's time on Nurburgring GP with X1?

My assumption;

The guy who got gold in the video is perhaps a better gran turismo player than Vettel is.
We have no idea how long Vettel spent to get the time he did(not taking anything away from the gold driver, awesome feat by him). Maybe he(Vettel) could have improved, or maybe not, we'll never know for sure.
I also think that in the game, you can afford to take more liberties compared to real life, for example to brake simulatiounsly while flooring the accelerator to achieve just a minor advantage. I'm saying this because this might have impacted the way Vettel drove, actually approaching the car as if it was a F1/hypercar from real life experience.

A lot of things can be taken into account when comparing these times, but some things are for sure;

They both did great, and those who gold these challenges, especially Nurburgring and Suzuka, will have spent a fair amount of time getting to know the car, and trying to stretch their own limits.

 

[zdawood89]

Nurburgring GP X1 Challenge (Two laps)

Gold: 2'08.000
Silver: 2'09.500
Bronze: 2'14.500

ezzyos,

That's a good point, I just found it strange Vettel isn't fast enough to get Gold on the challenge named after him.
Practice is my theory as well, given enough time, he too would get Gold. After all he is currently the world's undisputed fastest driver.

 

[xSNAKEx]

Decade? 1978 was the one and only fan "ground effect" car, the Brabham BT46B which was banned after its first race/win. No other race series has anywhere near the open Formula that F1 has/had so noone could ever bother to try that. It really has no practical application on the street.

The problem with using a fan like that for downforce in a race car at the level shown with the X1, is that if it did fail mid corner it would probably jump off the track. Taking a corner at 200 mph, a slide off the track isn't gonna get stopped in the sand trap.

Oh well there you , wasn't aware of that but I find it very interesting its been done in a very crude manner over 30 years ago.
Although as for the rest that was said, it seems we are in perfect agreement about of the grip availability in something like the x1 being very spontaneous and unstable and would result in as we have said a big disaster. I still think its a concept worth exploring in a more conservative manner than the x1 though.

 

[xSNAKEx]

I have to agree that the best shot this car has at being real, is with a human driving remotely. Computers don't mind G-Forces very much. I'm not sure how well the engine would handle them though, even with a dry sump you might have trouble keeping stuff lubricated at those kind of G-forces.

I'm not sure how a fuel system would even keep fuel flowing at those G-Forces. How do you keep fuel near the pickup?

IF its all pressurised sufficiently and has good chambers set up I'm sure it wont be much of a problem, even at those Gs. Besides I think thats the last of your concerns when trying to build an X1