If you can do this... You're a great drifter... I think

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ahhh thank god its great to know that you see what i say makes sence..e-brakes for pussies LOL yeah i guess, i never use in in a RWD.

lol nice vid btw ur good at ff drifting haha.... i hope it helped make my point clear:D
 
Originally posted by F.Zamataki
u must be broken.
IN GT3, you are capable of drifting, and controlling a drift in a FWD vehicle no matter what.
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No matter what? Damn, guess you got me there, what a strong and well-made point. I really wish you would stop stating everything like you're the king of the world and we're a bunch of children. Stop acting so condescending. This is not an argument to resolve a personal issue that you have, this is a debate to get to the bottom of an issue. If you can't treat it as such, there's no point in debating.

Originally posted by F.Zamataki
ahhh, i said it before, and READ THIS CLOSELY, AND THINK!!

***** whatever you need to do to keep the car in the state of the defined drift counts, as long as it is only kept by what is built with the car. so ebrake or throttle, they are just different forms of keeping the car in the state of the defined drift*****

THAT counts.
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You're right, it's not what you do that counts, but how it looks. I forgot we're in America.

Originally posted by F.Zamataki
in GT3 it is completely possible to hold a FWD car in a drift using its built-in mechanisms.
you guys still seem to think that the only way it can be called drifting is if the rear wheels are pushing the car sideways yet maybe take CLOSE READ AT THIS...

***a rear wheel drive car uses the pushing power of the rear wheels to maintain a drift angle, thus keeping the car moving and drifting at the same time. YET this car is also USING ONLY THE COMPONENTS ON THE CAR ITSELF to maintain that drift. IT IS USING ITS REAR WHEEL POWER TO FORCE IT SIDEWAYS THROUGH A CORNER. and you call this drifting.

but in the same rate, a front wheel drive car is using its e-brake in the same manner as a rear wheel drive car is using its rear wheel power.
and is using the front wheels to pull it through.
the e-brake is a built in mechanism(just like a differential is in a rwd) and is part of the car itself!!!

so what do they have in common you ask???
BOTH CARS ARE USING WHATEVER MEANS THEY HAVE BUILT ONTO THEM TO KEEP THE CAR IN A DRIFTING STATE!!!
it does not matter how you drift, as long as you provide the action.

thusly a rear wheel drive car can "move sideways" (drift) through apricot hill half circle....
a front wheel drive car can DO THE EXACT SAME THING!!
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW!!
IT IS USING WHAT IT HAS TO HOLD A DRIFT THE SAME WAY AS A REAR WHEEL DRIVE USES WHAT IT HAS TO DRIFT.
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I'm afraid that's just not true. As I have said over and over, front-wheel drive does NOT maintain balance. You are fighting with the brakes against the throttle to upset the balance of the car. Your throttle pushes while your brakes drag, and they must fight each other to keep the car sideways. Drifting an FF is like trying to make a horse walk on two legs. It wasn't meant to happen, and even if it does, it isn't natural. When you achieve the perfect balance in a drift where everything falls into place, you will know in your heart that FF can never drift.
 
Originally posted by pergatory
Now that I think about it, that seems to be the entire argument, except that myself and silviadrifter are arguing something completely different that nobody seems willing to respond to. Well I guess I'll bow out of this conversation until I see some direct responses about my assertions that FF sliding is unbalanced and uncontrolled.
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Yeah, I have made my points, and I believe them to be valid. I can't really explain the concept any better, than you or I already have............;)
 
ok sure, in your heart it cant drift but here in the physical world it can, and it can in the same way and form as a rwd.
did you watch battle's vid?? oh wait yeah it looked like he was completely out of control and his agle and turn were all sketchy and you could see car sturggle to maintain line. what a disgrace.
u say "oh it can drift no matter what, why dont you back it up with some explanation instead of just saying it can"
WHY DONT U READ MY POSTS maybe ull find an explanation somehwere in there:rolleyes:

and yes battle, just because a car has a lighter in it does make it a zippo, a very large zippo with may extra features like the ability to move at a high rate of speed:D
 
Originally posted by F.Zamataki
ok sure, in your heart it cant drift but here in the physical world it can, and it can in the same way and form as a rwd.
did you watch battle's vid?? oh wait yeah it looked like he was completely out of control and his agle and turn were all sketchy and you could see car sturggle to maintain line. what a disgrace.
u say "oh it can drift no matter what, why dont you back it up with some explanation instead of just saying it can"
WHY DONT U READ MY POSTS maybe ull find an explanation somehwere in there:rolleyes:

and yes battle, just because a car has a lighter in it does make it a zippo, a very large zippo with may extra features like the ability to move at a high rate of speed:D
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Why do you insist on putting words in our mouths? I've never said FF angles were sketchy, in fact I said they were similar. I've never said they looked out of control, in fact I said the opposite. I've never said they struggle to maintain the line, in fact I've said the opposite. You call ME the disgrace? I'm just pushing you harder and harder until you finally start debating instead of this childish banter that you're playing. Apparently I still haven't pushed hard enough. Do you deny that FF slides are unbalanced? That they are fundamentally different in both form and execution?

Originally posted by battle_stage
My vid was sketchy?
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I'm sure he was just saying that for the sake of debate, it was a well-executed slide.
 
Originally posted by F.Zamataki
i was sarcastic battle ur vid was great.
perg please show me proof you saying the opposite of what you just stated.
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How is that so? Apologies if I've contradicted myself at all, I'll admit this debate has gotten me heated a few times as well.

What proof would suit you? Battle_stage, do you think you could encode that same video showing the pedals and steering and such?
 
guys just stop arguing this is stupid if the guy wants to think ff sliding is ff drifting let him think that but i ask you F.Zamataki how does making everyone think ff cars can drift benifit you? and can you even drift? i'd like to see a video..... can i get a Ahmen?......no ok then
 
Originally posted by drifter7
guys just stop arguing this is stupid if the guy wants to think ff sliding is ff drifting let him think that but i ask you F.Zamataki how does making everyone think ff cars can drift benifit you? and can you even drift? i'd like to see a video..... can i get a Ahmen?......no ok then
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no i cannot drift at all. i suck, im a poser that posts on this site to feel like i belong somewhere.
 
Bummer... ok well, I'll try my best without a video. Zamataki, how does an FF car slide? I want this to be in your words because mine seem to be easily distorted (that's not a direct reference to you, it just seems to happen often) plus it will be a better frame of reference for you and those who share your perspective, so that we stop getting caught up in these stupid loops. Please describe the process from entrance to exit, from the driver's perspective (ie throttle, brakes, steering, etc.)
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
It's not that hard perg, just do it. Only takes a lap or two to get it down.
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Unfortunately my GT3 disc is no longer usable, you won't be seeing any more videos by me until GT4 I'm afraid. :( It was very scratched when I got it, and it's been getting worse ever since, it was only a matter of time.
 
Come on, everybody join in!

"Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends..

Seriously, you all ought to check out that article in the debut of "Drifting" magazine. It goes over the issue of FF drifting. Are you guys seriously arguing about such a trivial issue. Drifting is getting the car as far to the limit as possible, no matter the drivetrain. I have a preference for FR and AWD cars, but FF drifting is just as impressive.

Drift On.
 
Originally posted by DriftBoyAE86
Come on, everybody join in!

"Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends..

Seriously, you all ought to check out that article in the debut of "Drifting" magazine. It goes over the issue of FF drifting. Are you guys seriously arguing about such a trivial issue. Drifting is getting the car as far to the limit as possible, no matter the drivetrain. I have a preference for FR and AWD cars, but FF drifting is just as impressive.

Drift On.
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no we can't lol j/k
 
Originally posted by DriftBoyAE86
Come on, everybody join in!

"Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends..

Seriously, you all ought to check out that article in the debut of "Drifting" magazine. It goes over the issue of FF drifting. Are you guys seriously arguing about such a trivial issue. Drifting is getting the car as far to the limit as possible, no matter the drivetrain. I have a preference for FR and AWD cars, but FF drifting is just as impressive.

Drift On.
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I've taken no offense (even though I've been directly insulted by several people), nor have I given any. It seems some of the others involved prefer to take it to the next level, but I've got no reason to. It doesn't concern me if people get upset about a simple debate. Obviously the best solution is to let this thread die. We'll leave it at a simple disagreement in terms.
 
guys i just want to say you guys are damned obtuse and idiotic about this whole ordeal. Your all acting like novice little beeches. Akina is actually alot better at drifting than what most of you guys do. i mean who the hell cares if you have to use the e-brake to slide the back of a ff car. Which the last i remembered it's called DRIFTING. i mean you aren't real drifters if you dont have any pride with the ff drifting or any type of drifting technique. If you were real full hearted drifters you would understant that ff drifting IS drifting. I mean don't say akina sucks because he can kick any one of your asses in a speed drift battle. The only reason why he looses at competitions here at planet is because you guys judge on how you look and how good your technique which is actually not racing at ALL its just a competition not a race. Anyway im off topic. The main point im trying to say is the FF is drifting damnit so just deal with it. Do be so damned immature about it and think about it and stop talking through your asses. I'll leave it as that.
 
dude some of us are real drifters like shadow drifter( damn him for posting those pics of the skyline <^>^_^<^>)
 
i kno that but most people are real drifters its just that they dont have the real full pride of drifting thats why they can never really get good at drifting like keiichi.
 
well some of us are to young to do what the drift king does and we have other things to worry about like school what can drifting give u that education can't? what props and popularity and a job at a buger joint ?
 
Originally posted by DarkenedDrift
guys i just want to say you guys are damned obtuse and idiotic about this whole ordeal. Your all acting like novice little beeches. Akina is actually alot better at drifting than what most of you guys do. i mean who the hell cares if you have to use the e-brake to slide the back of a ff car. Which the last i remembered it's called DRIFTING. i mean you aren't real drifters if you dont have any pride with the ff drifting or any type of drifting technique. If you were real full hearted drifters you would understant that ff drifting IS drifting. I mean don't say akina sucks because he can kick any one of your asses in a speed drift battle. The only reason why he looses at competitions here at planet is because you guys judge on how you look and how good your technique which is actually not racing at ALL its just a competition not a race. Anyway im off topic. The main point im trying to say is the FF is drifting damnit so just deal with it. Do be so damned immature about it and think about it and stop talking through your asses. I'll leave it as that.
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First of all, neither me or Pergatory said anything bad about Akina. Secondly I think it does take plenty of skill to slide FF. However, it is not in the same category as FR, or AWD...period. If you did your research, you would know this.....
Also, we judge the drifting competitions just as they would in D1. Drifting is not racing, so why would we judge it as so? I think you have jumped into something you really don't understand. If you have some proof, or any evidence whatsoever, that FF is considered drifting, by all means let us know. At this point, I have said all I want to on this matter. This thread came so close to being a good debate, but no one besides myself, or Perg were bringing any actual data, or insight to the debate, so I'm just going to let it die..................;)
 
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