I'm afraid guys... look at this clip!

[Zoom!Zoom!]

I think it's pretty clear that PD knew that but decided to put a reverse gear in to avoid people getting stuck.

Otherwise they have to either let you get out and pull the car back (strange looking and really slow), have a marshall come spin you (on Nurburgring? Yeah right), or do the Mario Kart put you in the middle of the road blinking kind of thing.

I think reverse was the simplest and best choice.

Oh I agree but this topic is more than Kart going backward but GT5 physics. Since every car in the game has a differential but Kart IRL yet Kart has a way around understeer problem. In a sim the results would be the same as if Kart did have a differential except if the Kart were driven backward.

 

[Boris Lozac]

I think it's pretty clear that PD knew that but decided to put a reverse gear in to avoid people getting stuck.

Otherwise they have to either let you get out and pull the car back (strange looking and really slow), have a marshall come spin you (on Nurburgring? Yeah right), or do the Mario Kart put you in the middle of the road blinking kind of thing.

I think reverse was the simplest and best choice.

What about, ah.. race over, that's it, next time be more carefull, if it's offline then restart, if it's online, bad luck, go to spectate mode.. what, it would kill the sales?

 

[Stonemonkey]

Thanks that's interesting. This would suggest GT5 Kart physics doesn't take in account Kart doesn't have a differential either.

I dunno, since there is adjustable LSD in GT it probably wouldn't take much to allow for fixed axles.

 

[Anes]

General facepalm at entire thread.

 

[Pedal-Force]

What about, ah.. race over, that's it, next time be more carefull, if it's offline then restart, if it's online, bad luck, go to spectate mode.. what, it would kill the sales?

Well, it would be annoying for one thing, and it wouldn't be very realistic. If you get against a wall in a real kart race then they have a marshal that turns you around (or you get out and do it yourself, depending).

If you were doing an endurance kart race (like 2 hours) and were a lap up and got stuck with 5 minutes left, wouldn't it make more sense to allow you to keep going by allowing you to turn around? That's how it would work in the real world, just the method is different.

 

[Boris Lozac]

Well, it would be annoying for one thing, and it wouldn't be very realistic. If you get against a wall in a real kart race then they have a marshal that turns you around (or you get out and do it yourself, depending).

If you were doing an endurance kart race (like 2 hours) and were a lap up and got stuck with 5 minutes left, wouldn't it make more sense to allow you to keep going by allowing you to turn around? That's how it would work in the real world, just the method is different.

Sure, anything but reverse.. like a little pause of couple of seconds (like waiting for the marshals) and then 'something' pushes your kart just a couple of feet so you can turn..

 

[FooAtari]

I don't think the reverse is a glitch though, what happens in karting IRL if you end up facing a wall?

I get the feeling most (not all!) people here have not driven a kart or ever seen a race?

What happens? The driver jumps out and turns the kart around himself (no seatbelts see) or a marshal comes and sorts him out. I think shifter karts (or what ever you want to call them) have a reverse gear but regular karts with only one forward gear, don't

Or what Pedal-Force said. Didn't see his post.

 

[Stonemonkey]

I get the feeling most (not all!) people here have not driven a kart or ever seen a race?

What happens? The driver jumps out and turns the kart around himself (no seatbelts see) or a marshal comes and sorts him out. I think shifter karts (or what ever you want to call them) have a reverse gear but regular karts with only one forward gear, don't

Or what Pedal-Force said. Didn't see his post.

So it would be either GTA style jump out the kart and push it/marshall jumps the barrier to push it or they could go the simple option and just give you reverse.

 

[Pedal-Force]

Sure, anything but reverse.. like a little pause of couple of seconds (like waiting for the marshals) and then 'something' pushes your kart just a couple of feet so you can turn..

I suppose they could've done that.

Anyway, how do we know these aren't shifter karts? Maybe he has reverse because it's a shifter kart which actually has reverse?

 

[Boris Lozac]

So it would be either GTA style jump out the kart and push it/marshall jumps the barrier to push it or they could go the simple option and just give you reverse.

"GTA" style.. What about more realistic style..

@ Pedal-force

As far as i know, not even shifter karts have reverse..

 

[Minty]

No no no... there is something very wrong in that Karts behaving when driving backwards. It's like game just dont care about which tyres are steering ones, and which are powered, and that scared me. That another clip about BMW or DAF's shows how different it is to drive backwards and do even small steering-input.

A Go-Kart weighs considerably less than a BMW, I'm not seeing your point.

 

[Jason_B]

I might have this wrong but the adjustments to caster make the front wheels cause roll when the steering is set to turn? The steering isn't on a flat plane?

If that's the case then the caster will lift the inside rear when the kart is going either forwards or backwards.

I don't think the reverse is a glitch though, what happens in karting IRL if you end up facing a wall?

If I'm facing against the wall IRL I'm out of the race. In the game they put reverse in because as someone else pointed out, you can't put corner workers into the game.

There's no easy way to explain it. I've been in karting for 10 years+.

Everything in karting works on a double standard. You move the rear out to loosen then tighten the chassis, as well as moving the rear in to have the same effect. It's actually all very complicated. The entire chassis and driver work together as a giant shock/spring. You just don't hop in a kart to go race if you're serious.

IRL, Weight balance of a KT100 Chassis is 46-43% front weight depending on your chassis type. The drivers height in the seat accompanied by how many seat struts, rear axle bearings, the stiffness of the rear axle, rear track width, and the front caster settings all determine how the rear end reacts to the roll getting into the corners.

The more positive caster (bringing the king pins back) and the higher the driver sits in the seat rolls the chassis more.

The steering transfers weight in the front to the rear. If I turn left, the left front of the chassis raises, and the right rear will load.

Not all classes hike the inside rear up, mainly the faster TAG and shifter 125cc classes. And they don't hike up on faster sweeping corners.

For the record I've spun going 65mph and actually turned through the corner trying to adjust for what I was going to impale at that speed (yes I had that much time.) The front end did not lift in the corner.

I almost shat a kitten when they announced karting was coming to GT. Myself and several other people around me are curious to see how PD did with it.

2-3 days everybody!

 

[Stonemonkey]

"GTA" style.. What about more realistic style..

@ Pedal-force

As far as i know, not even shifter karts have reverse..

Giving you reverse in a kart might be a better option for PD than having to make up some quite complex animations of the driver or marshall for what is a very small part of the game.

 

[Pedal-Force]

"GTA" style.. What about more realistic style..

@ Pedal-force

As far as i know, not even shifter karts have reverse..

I've never raced karts, but I've found some shifter karts online that have reverse. Not sure if they're used in racing, or if they're in the game, but they do apparently exist.

 

[Smoothherb]

This remembers me in reverse light discussion? You don´t need them at all in a real race!

 

[Peter]

This video reminded me of Big Rigs.

 

[Fogerty_Jr]

mmmmwwwwahahahahaha... il looks like we're getting a new feature in the game... ladies and gentlemen:


THE FORKLIFT RACE!!!!

 

[Stonemonkey]

.....
The steering transfers weight in the front to the rear. If I turn left, the left front of the chassis raises, and the right rear will load.

Yep, I get that. What I was meaning though was that if you turn the steering left then the left hand side of the kart is the inside no matter if you're going backwards or forwards and with the steering set like that then the right (outside) rear is loaded also no matter if you're going backwards or forwards. So the differences in cornering ability of the kart running backwards or forwards will mostly be from the forward/backward loading from braking and accelerating, braking while going backwards will load the karts rear wheels with the fixed axle making it difficult to turn. And it'll be pretty wierd to steer, like a forklift.

 

[cicohipe]

Disappointed no backlip. Now i just really wanna see a kart rollover.

 

[CelestialVoyage]

Was expecting a backflip myself...utterly disappointed. On the other hand, we now know that that dude knows how to drive reverse. Hope I don't go up against him online...

 

[Stonemonkey]

Disappointed no backlip. Now i just really wanna see a kart rollover.

I've seen that, not nice. The guy was sore but ok.

 

[Spacegoat]

Where the green hell was the kart backflip?

Misleading video title is Misleading.

 

[RedPhoenix]

This is not a huge concern. PD will address this with a patch. It wouldn't surprise me at all if at Midnight on the 23rd there was an update patch waiting for us when we boot up our PS3's. The game is technically not supposed to be out yet...so, i'm confident that we will have some nice stuff waiting for us.

 

[nasanu]

mmmmwwwwahahahahaha... il looks like we're getting a new feature in the game... ladies and gentlemen:


THE FORKLIFT RACE!!!!

Gran Shenmue 5.

 

[HaylRayzor]

I've never raced karts, but I've found some shifter karts online that have reverse. Not sure if they're used in racing, or if they're in the game, but they do apparently exist.

Well the shifter karts I've driven certainly didn't have reverse. The transmission was a sequential motorcycle style. 6 forward gears and neutral.

 

[mykem]

It would help if we know the setting he had it on. I don't know if kart in GT5 has the same physics setting as the cars: skid pad recovery, steering assist and the other driving assists. And at what level was the AI set? Still, I agree that there should be a patch to deal with reverse in karting. Perhaps a self-regulating reverse gear- one that switches back to D gear after a few feet/meter.

 

[Southend Rage]

Hell to the patch! I wanna slip in a Kart and do the Nordschleife entirely in reverse!
By the looks of it, if you had high enough skill, you could get around faster..... Perhaps I could teach a B-Spec driver to do it on the flipside!

What can I say, I take opportunities as I see them.

By the way, you could go pretty fast in reverse in GT4 in a Chapparal, as adjusting the gears can get you up to around 150 MPH on the test course.

Was a bugger to control though. This looks easier. xD

 

[calvins48]

You could do that in any racing game.

GT5 will be awesome but I don't know why people think it's going to be the best racing game that will ever be made ever.

More GTs will come out.

 

[grbmrdj]

omg that video is just full of win . I'm starting to think that GT5 might be funner like this...

 

[gtone339]

Oh yeah we can have a 1 on 1 reverse drag race huh?