Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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- Khoin
I can relate to the OP's complaints quite a bit...
While I really love parts of this game, there's a lot of flaws that do make it hard to really love the game as a whole. Now, GT has always had some weird elements I think, but GT5 has it more then ever.
My no1 main gripe is the lack of interesting (offline) races. I've finished all the A-spec races except the endurance races (I'm at lvl 27 now, but I don't have the time to play through an endurance race) and the Formula GT race (which, again, I haven't had time to really try yet. Ironically, it's the first race in the game that's actually challenging). So, I've completed all the races that don't cost hours to finish, yet I'm nowhere near max-level (not that I care about that level... but still).
However, while I enjoy the occasional session in a formula car, I'm much more into racing slightly slower cars. What I really like to do is buy a car I like and take it to the track. I would really like to be able to take it to any track I like, and have a challenging race, against different cars with similar performance. I would also like to earn credits (and XP... although I'd rather they just scrap XP completely tbh) this way.
How hard can this be? Select a track, a number of laps, time and weather conditions and performance level (or, have it be based on your car, or set up your own rules like you do online, whatever). Voila! Cool race.
And how hard can it be to add way more pre-set Aspec races. There's no limit to the amount of race-types you could set up. It's just a set of paramaters, so it wouldn't increase the size of the game. The cars, tracks and everything else you need are already in game... why would the not use them?
The Aspec portion of this game is so lacking it's almost funny... especially since it was better in previous GT's. And it was already lacking in the previous versions.
Bspec is another story... I'm not sure what to think of it, really. On the one hand, it's a way to earn free credits and cars while I'm not playing. On the other hand, that shouldn't be necessary. I should be playing the game when I can. The reward system should be set up in a way that I don't feel the need to earn rewards without playing...
Now, if Bspec would be fun to play in it's own right, it would of course all be ok. But is it? I don't really think so... either your driver easily wins, and you don't have to do anything (maybe hit "go faster" once a minute... wow, great gameplay) or, he's having to struggle, and then your control over him isn't good enough for it not to become frustrating... I dunno, maybe some people really like it, but I'd have rather have them leave it out completely and spend the development time on more Aspec stuff...
As said, all in all I still love parts of the game. In previous GT's, the good always outweighed the bad by a fair margin for me. In this one... I'm not so sure. I realise the game will evolve a bit through updates and special events. I just don't know if that will be enough. There seems to be a design philosophy at the core of this game that I just don't really get. It was there in previous GT's, but it's evolved. Unfortunately, to me, it's evolved in the wrong direction.
Meh, long rant, sorry about that... I guess it just irks me that a game with so much potential is also so severely lacking.
While I really love parts of this game, there's a lot of flaws that do make it hard to really love the game as a whole. Now, GT has always had some weird elements I think, but GT5 has it more then ever.
My no1 main gripe is the lack of interesting (offline) races. I've finished all the A-spec races except the endurance races (I'm at lvl 27 now, but I don't have the time to play through an endurance race) and the Formula GT race (which, again, I haven't had time to really try yet. Ironically, it's the first race in the game that's actually challenging). So, I've completed all the races that don't cost hours to finish, yet I'm nowhere near max-level (not that I care about that level... but still).
However, while I enjoy the occasional session in a formula car, I'm much more into racing slightly slower cars. What I really like to do is buy a car I like and take it to the track. I would really like to be able to take it to any track I like, and have a challenging race, against different cars with similar performance. I would also like to earn credits (and XP... although I'd rather they just scrap XP completely tbh) this way.
How hard can this be? Select a track, a number of laps, time and weather conditions and performance level (or, have it be based on your car, or set up your own rules like you do online, whatever). Voila! Cool race.
And how hard can it be to add way more pre-set Aspec races. There's no limit to the amount of race-types you could set up. It's just a set of paramaters, so it wouldn't increase the size of the game. The cars, tracks and everything else you need are already in game... why would the not use them?
The Aspec portion of this game is so lacking it's almost funny... especially since it was better in previous GT's. And it was already lacking in the previous versions.
Bspec is another story... I'm not sure what to think of it, really. On the one hand, it's a way to earn free credits and cars while I'm not playing. On the other hand, that shouldn't be necessary. I should be playing the game when I can. The reward system should be set up in a way that I don't feel the need to earn rewards without playing...
Now, if Bspec would be fun to play in it's own right, it would of course all be ok. But is it? I don't really think so... either your driver easily wins, and you don't have to do anything (maybe hit "go faster" once a minute... wow, great gameplay) or, he's having to struggle, and then your control over him isn't good enough for it not to become frustrating... I dunno, maybe some people really like it, but I'd have rather have them leave it out completely and spend the development time on more Aspec stuff...
As said, all in all I still love parts of the game. In previous GT's, the good always outweighed the bad by a fair margin for me. In this one... I'm not so sure. I realise the game will evolve a bit through updates and special events. I just don't know if that will be enough. There seems to be a design philosophy at the core of this game that I just don't really get. It was there in previous GT's, but it's evolved. Unfortunately, to me, it's evolved in the wrong direction.
Meh, long rant, sorry about that... I guess it just irks me that a game with so much potential is also so severely lacking.
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Actually, the fact that there are so many problems with the graphics (shadows, alpha blending, Standard cars) means that the "without question" part of your statement simply doesn't apply. Under certain exact situations, GT5 is probably one of the best looking games available on any console. The problem is that those situations aren't met very often in actual gameplay.
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You want addictive? Try 'Little Big Planet.'
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That's true, but you've got to admit: the game asks you at every tiny little option whether you really want to do it or not. Only when you go to the menu in a race and accidently choose to restart, the game doesn't ask. That can really ruin your 24h A-Spec experience when you had half an hour left and just wanted to visit the restrooms one last time before the finish.
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- Khoin
Is that true though? Sure, I can get fun out of this game. However, the game seems to try and stop me from doing so at almost every turn. I think no-one here denies that there are some elements to this game that are fantastic. It's also, I believe, undeniable that there's a lot wrong with it as well. It's up to each individual to decide whether or not it's worth it, of course.
What bothers me the most, though, is that a lot of the faults seem so preventable. Why are there only so few Aspec races? Why is there no way to race competitive AI opponents for any car with any setup on any track with any weather conditions?
There are other issues too, why are there dozens of uninteresting cars? Why are there dozens of different RX7s and Skylines, but no AM DBS, or V8/V12 Vantage. Why is tuning cars such a standard proces while it could be much more involved. Why do I need to gather XP to "level up" in a racing game with licenses in place. I could go on for quite some time here.
However, all of these issues at least seem to have a reason for existing. The cars I believe are a combination of time restraints and the japanese origin of the game. The tuning system would be very complicated to change into a more involved system, with more options, more in touch with what you could actually do to a certain car. Not impossible, but it would take way more development effort to do so. Levelling? It's a way to increase the lifespan of the game, and it provides an incentive to keep playing. I'd rather want to keep playing because I'm just having so much fun, but I guess that's a game design philosophy discussion...
So, while I agree with you that having fun with a game also relies on the player, I don't think it's all in my hands. If I buy a new car, change the tires, the oil and tune it a little bit, what can I do to find a number of different races against AI opponents that offer a good challenge?
I have to say all the hype and me being hyped since 2006, the game is really becoming stale... some simple mistakes that I can't understand... Like why on earth do we have a leveling system in offline but not online like every other game has had for the pas 10 or more years -.-, severe lack of events in offline and we have lost features from GT4...
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Choose a standard car in a standard track with rain and you got yourself one of the worst looking racing games of this generation. That's why i only use Premium cars, ive only touched a standard once and that was the countach.
Aspec - uninteresting races, no limits
Bspec - kinda boring, not my thing
Arcade - Can't change weather to rain OR clear, AI difficulty, grid position, rolling standing starts, cant change time to night OR day.
Online - pretty good depending on your connection, how many friends you know that play GT5 ( I know 1 )
And why do we have to favorite our cars to be able to use them online or in arcade, it's pointless.
Why isent there a way to export all the photos to XMB at once?
What's with pressing triangle button during replays in arcade mode making the camera zoom and in GT mode it brings up that stupid race info display?
Why can't we get better interior camera while in the replay, I don't want to look at the driver, i want to see the driver driving and the windshield/instruments panel, this view is available in rally mode in special events but not in A-spec or arcade...that could have easily been implemented.
Like there are so many obvious stupid things that could have easily been fixed and collectively these things are pretty much ruining the experience for me. It's the stupidity,simpleness and prevent-ability of the mistakes and the potential of this game that are pissing me off even more knowing that Kaz is a "perfectionist" there is no excuse for this.
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I'm pretty sick of these types of threads, and while you do have good points it does frustrate me having to see this on a forum I primarily come to, to find out more things about a game I love playing.
For starters, you are level 21, so by now you have played this game for quite a while and have just unlocked the first set of higher tier events. It's quite possible you are just a bit bored of the game now and need a break, I did when I reached that level, because I'd be playing GT and nothing else.
To say this game was the biggest dissapointment you've had in 5 years is a little un-fair. You must of been really riding the hype and taking every bit of information as full features. I just always think that there is no other game which can offer all or ever half of what GT can offer in terms of features, so why should I be dissapointed?
Racing- You only need tune your cars if you want, it took me a second playthrough to realise I can buy a car from UCD and after an oil change it's more than capable to run stock against other cars AND provide a close, fun and challenging race.
Saying you are not motivated, again you should just take a break. I doubt you'd play any other game if you didn't want to? So don't blame the game, just stop playing it...
What you said about Rain and Night racing are fair really. I don't really see them as a problem though. Rain is Wet, Night is Dark - It's what you expect really.
As for the sound, whats wrong with it? It's much better than other GT games. The sound detail is up there with some of the other best console games to be honest.
The options to tailor races to certain times of day and starting grid positions and such have never been available in most racing games, I don't see why you should get so upset over it when you have the choice to have time change on anyway, which is more than most games give.
Personally, and I understand the point you made, the paint system is fine. If you are not bothered to collect certain colours fast and you are patient it'll work straight into you hands as a nice extra feature that could of been left out. I like the fact I can paint my cars. It's like all Japanees game design, it's there in such a way that it doesn't give you everything for free, like most western players have come to expect from western games. A colour wheel would destroy the idea of rare colours, just like rare used cars - so both you and whoever see you online won't be able to appreciate how rare or unique your ride is.
What you wrote after those points was just out of anger, and I think after reflection and letting the game sit outside of your console for a few days/weeks will fix that. You are not going to forget playing this game either way, like the game or not. Also the production value is VERY high, think about how polished the game is and the features and physics included. Where other games have 70 cars and around 20 tracks you get a whole lot more in Granturismo, even excluding the standard cars.
The facts are:
They advertise the game with 1000 cars - and it does.
They advertise the game with weather change and night- and it does.
The dirt accumulation is strange and only seems to work whilst racing.
"and much more?" Sony didn't advertise any features that didn't make it into the game.
To say this game is a cash cow is COMPLETELY UNFAIR. Don't be silly when other games like COD:Blackops have less new features than you have fingers. Things like the Paint Tickets, Standard car compatability, online profile and other small details were added when their percieved value is nothing. PD could of released a cash cow, physics/graphics updated GT4.
Another Point to add is that the game feels amazing when you are playing with a wheel. I have a friend who recently started playing with a wheel and said it's a completely different game.
You played prologue so long because you wanted to play GT5, and now you've played GT5 you are sad it's comming or seems to be getting to the end and you've not had the experience you'd imagined.
So to review if you don't want to read this all:
You've been playing too long, without what makes GT great: A FFB Wheel.
You tuned your cars too much so the early races were too easy.
You are incredibly picky and don't care so much for physics (which you didn't mention) as you do for graphics.
The online experience is good, friends or not some of the public lobbies have some great racing in it.
I really want the mods to make a review area in this forum. So I don't have to see this negativity when I'm here to have a good time whilst enjoying the game.
Sorry - I'm just angry with all these negative reviews, it's hard to enjoy the forums if there are so many threads constantly picking up the short comings of the game.
For starters, you are level 21, so by now you have played this game for quite a while and have just unlocked the first set of higher tier events. It's quite possible you are just a bit bored of the game now and need a break, I did when I reached that level, because I'd be playing GT and nothing else.
To say this game was the biggest dissapointment you've had in 5 years is a little un-fair. You must of been really riding the hype and taking every bit of information as full features. I just always think that there is no other game which can offer all or ever half of what GT can offer in terms of features, so why should I be dissapointed?
Racing- You only need tune your cars if you want, it took me a second playthrough to realise I can buy a car from UCD and after an oil change it's more than capable to run stock against other cars AND provide a close, fun and challenging race.
Saying you are not motivated, again you should just take a break. I doubt you'd play any other game if you didn't want to? So don't blame the game, just stop playing it...
What you said about Rain and Night racing are fair really. I don't really see them as a problem though. Rain is Wet, Night is Dark - It's what you expect really.
As for the sound, whats wrong with it? It's much better than other GT games. The sound detail is up there with some of the other best console games to be honest.
The options to tailor races to certain times of day and starting grid positions and such have never been available in most racing games, I don't see why you should get so upset over it when you have the choice to have time change on anyway, which is more than most games give.
Personally, and I understand the point you made, the paint system is fine. If you are not bothered to collect certain colours fast and you are patient it'll work straight into you hands as a nice extra feature that could of been left out. I like the fact I can paint my cars. It's like all Japanees game design, it's there in such a way that it doesn't give you everything for free, like most western players have come to expect from western games. A colour wheel would destroy the idea of rare colours, just like rare used cars - so both you and whoever see you online won't be able to appreciate how rare or unique your ride is.
What you wrote after those points was just out of anger, and I think after reflection and letting the game sit outside of your console for a few days/weeks will fix that. You are not going to forget playing this game either way, like the game or not. Also the production value is VERY high, think about how polished the game is and the features and physics included. Where other games have 70 cars and around 20 tracks you get a whole lot more in Granturismo, even excluding the standard cars.
The facts are:
They advertise the game with 1000 cars - and it does.
They advertise the game with weather change and night- and it does.
The dirt accumulation is strange and only seems to work whilst racing.
"and much more?" Sony didn't advertise any features that didn't make it into the game.
To say this game is a cash cow is COMPLETELY UNFAIR. Don't be silly when other games like COD:Blackops have less new features than you have fingers. Things like the Paint Tickets, Standard car compatability, online profile and other small details were added when their percieved value is nothing. PD could of released a cash cow, physics/graphics updated GT4.
Another Point to add is that the game feels amazing when you are playing with a wheel. I have a friend who recently started playing with a wheel and said it's a completely different game.
You played prologue so long because you wanted to play GT5, and now you've played GT5 you are sad it's comming or seems to be getting to the end and you've not had the experience you'd imagined.
So to review if you don't want to read this all:
You've been playing too long, without what makes GT great: A FFB Wheel.
You tuned your cars too much so the early races were too easy.
You are incredibly picky and don't care so much for physics (which you didn't mention) as you do for graphics.
The online experience is good, friends or not some of the public lobbies have some great racing in it.
I really want the mods to make a review area in this forum. So I don't have to see this negativity when I'm here to have a good time whilst enjoying the game.
Sorry - I'm just angry with all these negative reviews, it's hard to enjoy the forums if there are so many threads constantly picking up the short comings of the game.
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ouch!
to be honest, though, i'm not bothered by selecting "ok" to confirm something.
it takes what? 2 seconds if you're slow about it?
people are getting hung up on the smallest of things about this game.
"menus are ugly/clunky/there's a lot etc etc"
it's a menu.
it's a freakin' menu.
"there's not enough A-Spec events."
guess what? for smurfs and giggles, i just got in a recently purchased used Ford GT LM Race Car, went into Practice, selected La Sarthe, One Make Race, set it to 60 laps, and... lo-and-behold... i had a brand new endurance event to race! 500 Miles at La Sarthe.
"shadows are wonky!"
yeah. driving's near perfect.
"wtf is up with standard cars?!"
it took 6 months of man hours per premium car to make. 200 of those, that's 100 years worth of manpower to create. i'll take a few standard cars that i barely notice the difference in at 95mph.
"what's up with that framerate, anyway?"
like that matters a whole helluva lot. framerate is overrated and the driving is near perfect.
"it's not true 1080p!!!"
so it's not full HD. still looks good on my set.
"the sound sucks."
sounds great on my system.
and the only car in the game i can compare to in real life is the 2000 PT Cruiser because the ol' lady has one. and it sounds identical. i don't have a bunch of Corvettes or Ferraris or Lamborghinis or Group C race cars sitting in my driveway to compare to. i got a Durango, a Pathfinder, a Jeep, and a PT Cruiser GT.
"too many Skylines!!! / too many Japanese cars!!!"
i've yet to run out of variety of different cars to play with.
and guess what. i have 5 Ford GTs in my garage. and two Corvettes. and 3 Camaros.
i just don't get what the problem is.
the game is monstrous in terms of content. it's got a built in social network, it's got a you-race-the-dang-car mode, it's got a you-manage-a-racing-team mode (that you can completely ignore if you don't like. just don't click that picture), there's GT TV, a course editor thingamabob, a billion cars, insanely good driving physics, an easily customizable online mode (provided you aren't scared of a couple menus), some very excellent lighting and weather effects, what could have been a very nice marketplace (until the whole birthday glitch came about, then got further ruined by the save back-up which made the marketplace a joke), an illustrated history of some of the biggest names in the Automotive industry, a robust Photo mode, and a bunch of other things i'm leaving out.
GT5 has flaws like every game has.
but Polyphony Digital has shown that they're not above fixing those things (whether we really need it or just think we do).
it's really simple in the end.
if you're into the auto racing lifestyle, GT5 is for you.
if you're not really into the auto racing lifestyle, you should probably go elsewhere.
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No offence but I think all the people like the OP have too high expectations.
Its kinda like Black Ops in a way, people were expecting it to be the best multiplayer experience you could get.
It took 5 years cause of all that extreme car modelling they had to do and that YOU wanted but now you're complaining. Honestly, make up your minds.
I don't give a damn if the game came out 2 years later as long it was decent and I could play online with friends mission acomplished.
Remember people it's just a game. You're acting like there was some new revolutionairy electric car coming out and it took 5 years and in all those five years you were forced to drive a rubbish car with lots of problems. But in the end that electric car was faulty and you wasted all your money.
Games are for a little bit of entertainment, not to play all your life.
Go outside for abit people, you're not in the real world.
Its kinda like Black Ops in a way, people were expecting it to be the best multiplayer experience you could get.
It took 5 years cause of all that extreme car modelling they had to do and that YOU wanted but now you're complaining. Honestly, make up your minds.
I don't give a damn if the game came out 2 years later as long it was decent and I could play online with friends mission acomplished.
Remember people it's just a game. You're acting like there was some new revolutionairy electric car coming out and it took 5 years and in all those five years you were forced to drive a rubbish car with lots of problems. But in the end that electric car was faulty and you wasted all your money.
Games are for a little bit of entertainment, not to play all your life.
Go outside for abit people, you're not in the real world.
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I really like GT5, but it's seriously half-baked in some ways and ridiculous in other ways, so I relate to the thoughts of the op, even if the individual points are not all the ones I would pick up on.
If it weren't for the prospect of patches and fixes I would be disappointed overall. The hope that they will remedy some of the problems keeps me from making whiney posts myself, I could write a long list of issues, though.
If it weren't for the prospect of patches and fixes I would be disappointed overall. The hope that they will remedy some of the problems keeps me from making whiney posts myself, I could write a long list of issues, though.
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You just designed my perfect GT. If PD released the game Khoin just described I would be very happy.
I love driving the cars, but the level system and lack of offline races and configurability of offline races is very poor.
I mostly drive online against friends and in arcade mode now. I only use a-spec or b-spec to grind some cash for a new car.
On a positive note, the seasonal events have been fun and challenging at least for me.
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Do you see the pattern here?
Maybe if PD hadn't of put out a game with so many issues, you wouldn't have to "put up" with all the negative threads. (Or you could just ignore them).
FWIW (and nothing personal), I get tired of all the fanboys who somehow can't see (or just choose to ignore) the obvious problems with GT5. If everyone just continues to kiss PD's ass and not bring attention to the fact that a large percentage of us are dissapointed, what hope is there that anything will ever improve? (Not that it will anyway).
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Yes, this is the most important point on this thread.
There are already so many threads covering faults, issues, glitches, what Polyphony should have done and what they didn't do.
It is pointless posting new threads like this, we are over a month into the game, pretty much everything that is wrong with the game has been pointed out and spoken about in threads already.
If you would lke to contribute, then by all means do so, that is your right, but why do the people who have already contributed, in the right way to the right threads, have to keep enduring new threads like this that are just bringing up the same subjects over and over again.
It really is getting so frustratng.
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What I can't understand is how long it's taken you to feel disappointed. You said you were defending the game before , now your'e at level 21 A spec and your'e complaining about things which you should have seen in the first few hours of playing. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Yes, this is the most important point on this thread.
There are already so many threads covering faults, issues, glitches, what Polyphony should have done and what they didn't do.
It is pointless posting new threads like this, we are over a month into the game, pretty much everything that is wrong with the game has been pointed out and spoken about in threads already.
If you would lke to contribute, then by all means do so, that is your right, but why do the people who have already contributed, in the right way to the right threads, have to keep enduring new threads like this that are just bringing up the same subjects over and over again.
It really is getting so frustratng.
Then why do you keep reading this threads??
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thanks! Now all we have to do is get Kaz on board >.>
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Yeah it only takes a couple of seconds. But why did they put in the confirmation dialogue where it doesn't matter and ditched it where it's important? Why do I have to confirm 4 times to buy and install an individual tuning part, but I'm not asked whether I really want to throw away the near 24 hours of my lifetime I just put into an endurance race? If you take a step back and look at it, it doesn't really make sense, does it?
Generally speaking, this is the problem. GT5 surely has its qualities, but it could have been so much better. I agree that no game is as good as it could have been, but ... and this is the important part ... GT5 has a surprisingly large amount of flaws which are completely unnecessary. Fixing these things wouldn't have consumed any extra time on PDs side. So they either didn't care about it (which is bad) or met these decisions intentionally (which is even worse).
Whether these things floors the game for you is a matter of personal perception. Some people can live with it, some can't. It would be great if both sides would respect each other however. I can sleep perfectly fine despite anyone telling me that he things GT5 is an awesome game. It simply depends on which parts of the game you put your emphasis on, and what you expected of it. That said, in return I expect people to respect the opinion which I described above and which is the subject of this thread, which is also my opinion.
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It's torturing me. I feel like I am dedicated to play it because i waited so long and i was so hyped about it. But when I do play it i can't stand it for more than an hour.
+1 I'm afraid I have to agree. There are so many frustrating elements of the game. I really can't imagine why it took soooo long in development, when this is what we ended up with.
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GT5 is solid, there are no faults technically.
No frame skip, no lag online. Everything runs correctly.
What you call problems is your opinion, there not technical problems.
Not being able to level up in A Spec is your fault for not trying the other races given to you like seasonal events and special events.
Stop acting like the game has issues when it's a solid game.
Some things could of been better, thats all.
No frame skip, no lag online. Everything runs correctly.
What you call problems is your opinion, there not technical problems.
Not being able to level up in A Spec is your fault for not trying the other races given to you like seasonal events and special events.
Stop acting like the game has issues when it's a solid game.
Some things could of been better, thats all.
No - I was expecting a GT that is as good as GT4 ore even a bit better - but GT5 is much worst...
It has less A-Spec events
The A-Spec events it has are not really interesting (a lot of them consist of only one race)
Most A-Spec events have a car in it that is much faster than the others so you have to choose your car to compete against this one car..
The level system is just there to make the game artificially longer..
The price cars were better in GT4 - and they were given out multiple times on championship races.
In GT4 you could save between races in championships.
In GT4 the implementation of "B-Spec" was much better.
Special events in GT4 were a "ad on" in GT5 they are a must because of the level system...
And so the list continues on and on and on
