Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

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Toronado
I'm sorry, but no. It doesn't make the tuning any more accessible when the current system works exactly the same as the Auto Tune setting did all the way back to the original game. You could always tune stuff the way GT5 does. The only difference was that you weren't forced to do so if you did want to do more advanced stuff.
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Yes it does. I now have one setting that I change and that's it. Previously I could change that one setting but there were 5 or 6 other settings in there that I would also play around with and just mess things up.

So yes having just one button to press on a screen is more accessible to us noobs than having 7 and hoping that we only play with the last one.

I'm not disagreeing that if you want to tune individual gears then removing that feature is a very big deal.

But for me personally I feel the tunning is more accessible to me in GT5 than it was in previous games.
 
Call me a fan boy which I certainly am not BUT I love GT5, I am no gamer either, I only play this and 2 other games. I have to say nothing in life apart from cocaine is as addictive. Sorry to say but its easy to find faults but think of it this way, what GT/PD/Kaz is doing is obviously something right because it has such a strong following. I cant understand how people can pick on the smallest things. This game needs alot of tweaks to make it perfect but thats cause theres a lot of content. They are trying to do everything so its hard to perfect each and every bit of it.

Nothing is even close in comparison and if you dont like it I agreee with one of the early posts, sell your ps3 and gt5 to someone who would appreciate it.
 
DaveS1138
Yes it does. I now have one setting that I change and that's it. Previously I could change that one setting but there were 5 or 6 other settings in there that I would also play around with and just mess things up.
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That is a self control issue on your part. That isn't a problem with the way the game was set up, and the rest of the players of the game shouldn't be punished because you just can't keep yourself from screwing with settings that you don't understand when there is a self explanatory (and usually thoroughly explained anyways) "easy" setting that you could use instead.
 
Toronado
That is a self control issue on your part. That isn't a problem with the way the game was set up, and the rest of the players of the game shouldn't be punished because you just can't keep yourself from screwing with settings that you don't understand when there is a self explanatory (and usually thoroughly explained anyways) "easy" setting that you could use instead.
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I dont disagree. I was just making the point about accessibility of the feature.

I agree (again) that to anybody that wants to tune individual gears then loosing the ability to do that is a big deal. Obviously. No I dont think it is fair that you are punished to make it more accessible to less skilled tuners.

However, my point was just that to people like me that wouldn't know how to adjust every minute detail of a car then making a one button tunning is much more accessible than having a multilayered tunning with an easy button at the bottom.

I think that's why PD did it and yes it sucks for some but it's also better for others.

PD have to ballance the game to many different skill sets of players. Maybe they went too far one way on this example for you but that actually made it better for me.
 
DaveS1138
Personally I'm loving B-spec this time around. Certainly much more than I did in GT4.

You can also get some very intense racing when you dont just give him an overpowered monster and really have to help him battle for the win. There is so much more stratedgy involved this time around in picking the right places on the course to speed him up or slow him down. Try to force him to overtake in the wrong spot or speed up at the wrong time and it can cost him dearly.
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I understand the B-Spec principle and am aware of the nuances relative to the things you suggested above. I have been around (and involved in) motorsports for over 50 years so I understand strategy and "racecraft". My problem it seems is that I love racing and racing games more than I do simply watching them. I watch every race on TV every weekend (every series). Most times, I can't watch for very long as it makes me just want to jump in the Playseat and do it myself :dopey: Once I get "Uber" going in his race, I just want to take over (but can't). B-Spec just seems counter-productive to me relative to why most of us buy a "racing" game in the first place.
 
OK my view of the game is this. There are some great things about the game that just make me want to play it all day, but then there are some things that just make me go WHY???

1. The penalties for powershifting are waaaaay to strict. I spent $300 on a G27 only to find it takes 6 years to go from 1st to 2nd because the game always thinks I'm powershifting if my foot is touching the gas at all. Then once it's put me into neutral because of this, I have to take my foot off the gas and clutch, put it into neutral, then step on the clutch and shift to 2nd. It's retarded and it happens every time.

2. WHY when you are doing free run online does it not show everyones times??? If it tells me I'm qualifying in fourth but doesn't tell me what anybody elses time is, how do I know how much better I have to be?
And that brings up another point. Qualifying in general should be much more prominent. It needs to be real qualifying with time limits, and needs to be in A-Spec/B-Spec also.

See, the things with this game, is it's not bad, it's actually very good, but with literally like 10 minor/medium changes it would change from Good to AMAZING. That's my problem with the game. Not that is isn't good, but that with minimal effort (I'm no programmer but it's all just minor stuff) the game would be soooo much better. I don't even care if more tracks are added or if standards ever get changed to premium or if shadows ever get fixed. All they need to do is fix some gameplay issues and add some gameplay stuff that they don't have and it would completely transform the game. Simple as that.

Rant over :)
 
good points from the OP!
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I'm only at Level 12 so my final thoughts are still developing...

I think KY made a spectacular game in many regards, but I would like to see him increase the realism. With max realism settings I can do some crazy stuff while racing and never lose control (laguna seca corkscrew comes to mind). Also, going offline or onto grass, sand, litter causes no problem and very little loss of time. When I see real pilots do this stuff in real life (BTCC, WTCC, FIA GT) they almost always spin out or crash out.

The game should have been more user friendly without having to grind! I want all the cars available for online racing when I host a race and choose what cars a visitor can pick. None of this same 52 car limit stuff.
I just want to create a password protected server, pick 10 cars that I want my guests to choose from, and go racing. Is that too much to ask?
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Toronado
This is a blatantly and objectively false statement...(Toronado rant)
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Thank you for this quality post, I'm fully with you and the OP, while GT5 is a really good game, it is a HUGE disappointed, considering that PD and Sony themselfes hyped this game to the sky, not only the fans are guilty of it and considering that EVERY single previous GT was clearly better, because they have been actually finished, before they shipped it. (Maybe with the exclusion of GT2)

I really imagined something big, I mean BIG, when I thought what GT5 will eventually be after all those trailers, almost 6 years and a 90 million dollar budget. It simply became a good game, not more and not less but all previous GT's were AMAZING quality games, and GT5 simply isn't.
 
Toronado
This is a blatantly and objectively false statement.


What I call problems are actual problems with the game. Kaz has even admitted that he wants to find ways to fix many of them, like the shadows and the lag.


The game shouldn't be forcing you to do things like Seasonal or Special Events in the first place.


Stop acting like the game doesn't when it does and even Kaz has admitted it.


Do you honestly think any of that matters when it comes to creating events in single player? Because it absolutely doesn't.


I didn't ask for any of the flaws or problems the game has that previous games in the series didn't. And I certainly didn't ask for any of the intentionally-made stupid design decisions that the game so obviously suffers from.
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Err no, there are no technical problems.
The game dosen't crash all the time, the game dosen't have glitches like if u hit a car at high speed. It's solid in terms of technicality. Shadows is not technical btw, they work and there always there. Maybe the shadows don't look to great all the time but thats visual not technical.
You're either ignorant or blind.

No, there not forcing you it's just there as help if you can't be bothered to actually finish the events like your supposed to. Everyone who complains abotu grinding too much is just not actually finishing the races like they should. Complete all the races in every league and then tell me that.

Kaz admitted to shadows not technical problems. Your defying your own word there lol.

No I said all the fans asked for the best psychics/gameplay and some great looking cars and tracks and even multiplayer. Doing all that would take 3 years alone but because Sony pushed them to get GT PSP out and stuff it took even longer. Maybe the fans shouldn't of begged for it to be released so soon eh?

I'm right, you're wrong. Sorry.
 
Afro1
Err no, there are no technical problems.
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There, are, a lot. Tearing, noticable frame drops, horrendous loading times, and how many times did I see how textures were loaded into the scence, while watching a replay, it looks so damned ugly and unfinished.
 
Alex p.
There, are, a lot. Tearing, noticable frame drops, horrendous loading times, and how many times did I see how textures were loaded into the scence, while watching a replay, it looks so damned ugly and unfinished.
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Don't know what you're playing mate.
Like black ops all over again.
 
No, I am enjoying it too much, but at the same time am pissed all the time because of all the obvious flaws, and if you want to have a mature discussion next time, try a bit harder because you failed miserably at doing that.
 
Afro1
Err no, there are no technical problems.
The game dosen't crash all the time,
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There are many many recorded instances of the game locking up on people for seemingly no reason. I've had it happen to me twice, and I know of people who have it happen to them on a somewhat regular basis.

Afro1
the game dosen't have glitches like if u hit a car at high speed.
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Actually it does do this because the collision physics are occasionally screwy, but this is besides the point.

Afro1
Shadows is not technical btw
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Yes they are. So is the screen tearing. And the framerate drops.

Afro1
Maybe the shadows don't look to great all the time but thats visual not technical.
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No, the reason the shadow's don't look great all the time are because of a technical shortcoming of the rendering engine. Kaz has admitted this, and even said what specifically is the cause of the problem.

Afro1
You're either ignorant or blind.
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You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Problems with the rendering engine are still technical problems. You are throwing that word around when you have no idea what it means.

Afro1
No, there not forcing you it's just there as help if you can't be bothered to actually finish the events like your supposed to. Everyone who complains abotu grinding too much is just not actually finishing the races like they should. Complete all the races in every league and then tell me that.
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Again, the very fact that this forced linearity wasn't a problem in previous games in the series and is a problem in GT5 says how wrong you are. It is objectively bad game design. Simple as.

Afro1
Kaz admitted to shadows not technical problems. Your defying your own word there lol.
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He admitted that the jaggy shadows were caused by problems with the rendering engine brought on by the day/night transitions. That is practically the definition of a technical problem with the game.
There are also several other problems in the game, such as the semi-frequent horrendous menu lag caused when you are logged into PSN, that PD has also admitted that they are trying to sort out.

Afro1
No I said all the fans asked for the best psychics/gameplay and some great looking cars and tracks and even multiplayer.
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And we got that. The rest of the game, on the other hand, is not up to snuff with previous games in the series. Even ignoring the bad design decisions, the game is severely lacking in both length and polish in the single player GT Life mode.

Afro1
Doing all that would take 3 years alone but because Sony pushed them to get GT PSP out and stuff it took even longer.
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:lol:

Afro1
Maybe the fans shouldn't of begged for it to be released so soon eh?
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4 years in development, including several high-profile delays, is not "soon."

Afro1
I'm right, you're wrong. Sorry.
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:lol:
 
Alex p.
No, I am enjoying it too much, but at the same time am pissed all the time because of all the obvious flaws, and if you want to have a mature discussion next time, try a bit harder because you failed miserably at doing that.
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I'm going to use you're own words:
"You're trying to hard man, so hard, that like that, you trying to change what you said so you don't have to listen to that post.
 
Toronado
There are many many recorded instances of the game locking up on people for seemingly no reason. I've had it happen to me once, and I know of people who have it happen to them on a somewhat regular basis.


Actually it does do this because the collision physics are occasionally screwy, but this is besides the point.


Yes they are.


No, the reason the shadow's don't look great all the time are because of a technical shortcoming of the rendering engine. Kaz has admitted this, and even said what specifically is the cause of the problem.


You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Problems with the rendering engine are still technical problems. You are throwing that word around when you have no idea what it means.


Again, the very fact that this forced linearity wasn't a problem in previous games in the series and is a problem in GT5 says how wrong you are. It is objectively bad game design. Simple as.


He admitted that the jaggy shadows were caused by problems with the rendering engine brought on by the day/night transitions. That is practically the definition of a technical problem with the game.
There are also several other problems in the game, such as the occasional menu lag caused when you are logged into PSN, that PD has also admitted that they are trying to sort out.


And we got that. The rest of the game, on the other hand, is not up to snuff with previous games in the series. Even ignoring the bad design decisions, the game is severely lacking in both length and polish in the single player GT Life mode.


:lol:


4 years in development, including several high-profile delays, is not "soon."


:lol:
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Stop just stop.
You're statements are all false and you know it.
 
I bought this game as a driving simulator and not a game. I have my DF wheel and I do time trials, tune cars, try different race configuration and the feeling is GREAT !

I love this game, even with all the flaws. Im not saying you said anything false but you just see the negative point.

This game is awsome and with all the patches coming, it will get more and more interesting.

Why do you have to be lvl 40 now ? "wah wah i will do indy500 1 million time, its the easiest way to do it, its so boring I hate this game".

Cmon, just do what the hell you want when you play and in a year maybe youll be lvl 40.

Maybe PD didnt make the game to get lvl 40 in a month ?

Play online, do arcade race, go in practice mode and try to beat your time, when new seasonal event comes up try to play them. Get gold on all of them. Practice and enjoy the most amazing driving game.

Oh, and buy a wheel it worth it.
 
Afro1
Stop just stop.
You're statements are all false and you know it.
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So break it down for me. You clearly seem to think you know what you are talking about, so you should have no trouble finding the specific statements that I am apparently making up and debunk them. Getting mad and flipping over the chess board when you are losing is not a valid rebuttal. You can even report me if it makes you feel better, since I'm apparently posting knowingly-false statements.
 
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I like the game, a lot, I still play it everyday, even over the Xmas/New Year when I don't have my wheel setup with me I still fire it up, play B-spec, and look at the pretty cars. I love cars, period. I discovered the joy of ABS-less car, and started loving driving even more. I do agree with some points from OP though. I'd love to be able to select the track with weather and time, and just specify a weather and time and drive. You can do it through online lounge, why not practice mode? The sound is still so-so. Some cars are nice, others sounds like an electric tooth brush. It has always been the issue with GT with the ease to overpower the AI. It takes some discretion on user's part to not do it. But then at that time you are faced with them just punting you. That does suck, and it makes you wonder why PD can't do a better job after all these years, when PC sims have done so much better, with much more cars....The leveling is somewhat annoying, especially in B-spec where it forces you to grind. In A-spec you can get to lvl 28-29 with minimal grinding, but now it looks like I need to start some. But I plan to do that by just redoing some races for fun. And then there are the nigling things, for someone who is into anal-details on their premium cars, PD is still missing stuff. Wonky gauges on some cars, and as far as I can tell, non-working fuel gauges. When they bother to model the toggle switches in 3D, why can't the gauges work properly?

The game is flawed for sure, but I still look forward to playing it. But I just wish we get a game that is better than this...
 
My views on this game is that it's what you make it for yourself.
There's regular game 1 player, online, photomode, then there's drifting rallying etc not to mention b-spec.
Basically quite a few options to choose from and okay some stuff might need patching up to make it better all round but these are generally smaller details. But when you say that it's easy to win the game by using more powerful cars I would say you can make it as easy or as difficult as you want- it's your choice what cars you enter!
 
You can enjoy the game, if you choose not to then resell it.

There some improvements that will be done, like any other game. It IS a solid game.

Issues/Problems are seen by nitpickers. It's like the "shadows are poor", who watches that shadow if you are going at 100MPH. You probably need to go faster to not notice the shadows.

Really, no one is forcing anyone to play the game, you don't need to complete the challenges and seasonal event, but don't complain that your stuck if you don't!

It's a case of the "the glass half empty".

Just resell the game.
 
leb111
Yeah! Your right,

But in B-spec you can't do that :(

Even with the strongest car he doenst win haha.
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I have almost completed my b-spec, just 2 24-hours events left.

You just have to be patient, Bob gets better with age. :)

at level 26-28, bob won the Nascar, FGT and the Historic race with some coaching.
 
tinram
Really, no one is forcing anyone to play the game, you don't need to complete the challenges and seasonal event, but don't complain that your stuck if you don't!
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Or, I could try to play the game the way that I want to like I did with all of the other GT games, and mention how the game won't let you do that; all in the hopes of PD actually fixing the problem.
 
ITs good to read that... Hes only lvl 16 or 17 im stuck at the galardo race... He barely finish over ... 7th.. 8th.. I let him alone once and when I came back he was 12th....

I guess he'll get better haha. I just find that a bit boring to just do the same race over and over again since he can't win this one and Theres only 1 event left for my lvl.
 
Seriously, to read this thread is a tough challenge for me. In a lot of posts which defend the game, I see myself. I could and would have made the exact same points not too long ago.

Today, seeing it from "the other side", it is very illustrative to witness how people run around with blinders. I understand that it is incredibly hard to be completely honest with oneself because I've been there, and I understand that the majority of people are not even aware of the situation they are in.

On that basis, maybe I should be thankful that GT5 was released the way it is, because it showed me ways to see things I simply refused to see before.
 
Toronado
Or, I could try to play the game the way that I want to like I did with all of the other GT games, and mention how the game won't let you do that; all in the hopes of PD actually fixing the problem.
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Maybe PD can add more to your half empty glass, And PD may add even more stuff to my already half full glass (of vodka) :)
 

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