Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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Pretty much everyone complaining has no issue with the driving physics in GT5.
Personally, they're the only reason I keep on playing.
I'm not so convinced of it's credentials as a simulator though.. I seriously doubt I'd be able to drive some of the more powerful cars as easily in real life, but whatever, it feels good.
The core of the game is great, but almost everything else is poor compared to FM3/2.
GT5 is outdated in almost every category except physics, general graphics, weather (questionable), and day/night. The last two features are so rarely seen that I hesitated to even list them.
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After a week of playng GT5 I can say that its a exelent game, but Im not happy with some things:
1There is no mechanical damage
2You can't race custom tracks online
3 Playng GT Life doesnt unlock cars in acade mode/online play
4 You can only drive/store 100 of your cars online which are put in favorite list
5 Options for seting online game are wery scarce, there is no way to limit drivetrain type, aspiration, year of production and etc.
6 There is no LAN !
7 And why cant you share replay files with friends?
1There is no mechanical damage
2You can't race custom tracks online
3 Playng GT Life doesnt unlock cars in acade mode/online play
4 You can only drive/store 100 of your cars online which are put in favorite list
5 Options for seting online game are wery scarce, there is no way to limit drivetrain type, aspiration, year of production and etc.
6 There is no LAN !
7 And why cant you share replay files with friends?
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They really need to do something about idiot drivers online.
I don't mind getting rear-ended as I understand that is sometimes hard to judge braking distances. But when you're trying to overtake someone and they purposely swerve into you...argh...
I don't mind getting rear-ended as I understand that is sometimes hard to judge braking distances. But when you're trying to overtake someone and they purposely swerve into you...argh...
I have never owned GT before. This is my first GT. My brother had GT3 on his PS2. Looked cool to individually adjust gear ratios etc. Shame that the car bounced off like a baskedball when it hit a corner in 200 mph.
Anyway, when I bought this game I was kind of expecting a cutting edge racing simulator, NOT a car model viewer. B-spec is completely moronic. Why would I CARE to watch someone else drive?
Damage that is level based... nuff said. Visual damage on standard cars = pathetic. Who could BEND a headlight? (The headlight is a texture in many standard cars). And it's always fun winning a race knowing that you slammed into everyone unharmed in the first turn not needing to handle the turn in itself using the cars as an aid?
Especially the rally tracks looks like something from PS2. Completely flat and blatant textures on the ground. The "sand" looks like wallpaper, and you have the occasional lowpoly snowball / stone. No depth or bumpmapping whatsoever. The sand and tarmac on e.g. Laguna Seca looks bland, like a solid color rather than a texture.
Trees look like cardboard put in a cross. (old trick since the start of 3D to add depth to 2 sprites). It is cheap and lazy way to design something. I would prefer no trees.
Photo mode was so heavily fronted in demos and ads that I was tricked into believing it actually looked like that in the race.
Also driving license end race is stupid: You get disqualified for bumping hard into others that's fine. But when other bumps into you, you ALSO get disqualified (???)
I am sort of enjoying the game, but too much stuff is missing / is broken to be honest. Steering wheel feedback is good and firm though.
Anyway, when I bought this game I was kind of expecting a cutting edge racing simulator, NOT a car model viewer. B-spec is completely moronic. Why would I CARE to watch someone else drive?
Damage that is level based... nuff said. Visual damage on standard cars = pathetic. Who could BEND a headlight? (The headlight is a texture in many standard cars). And it's always fun winning a race knowing that you slammed into everyone unharmed in the first turn not needing to handle the turn in itself using the cars as an aid?
Especially the rally tracks looks like something from PS2. Completely flat and blatant textures on the ground. The "sand" looks like wallpaper, and you have the occasional lowpoly snowball / stone. No depth or bumpmapping whatsoever. The sand and tarmac on e.g. Laguna Seca looks bland, like a solid color rather than a texture.
Trees look like cardboard put in a cross. (old trick since the start of 3D to add depth to 2 sprites). It is cheap and lazy way to design something. I would prefer no trees.
Photo mode was so heavily fronted in demos and ads that I was tricked into believing it actually looked like that in the race.
Also driving license end race is stupid: You get disqualified for bumping hard into others that's fine. But when other bumps into you, you ALSO get disqualified (???)
I am sort of enjoying the game, but too much stuff is missing / is broken to be honest. Steering wheel feedback is good and firm though.
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realwerewolf
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realwerewolf
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LMAO, approach? There is no approach, the tires in forza are always glued to the road, no bumps, no suspension, clearly there are aids you cannot turn off making spinning out much harder then gt5. Look forza IS a good, even great car game, but lets not pretend its has near as much in the way of Real sim driving as Gt, its more accessible. it does many things better then Gt, yes, driving is simpl not one, that happens to be the main core gameplay of these games.
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realwerewolf
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realwerewolf
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Umm yes, dude, seriously did you even play forza? It is a well known criticism I have seen even on the forza boards. Play it with a wheel, huge diff between forza and Gt. Thats a fact. Realistic driving gt still does much better then forza, if only PD would incorporate the other things in gt like customization, deeper online. Damage is coming in a patch so thats moot.
Yepp, agree at least on one point. Theres a lot of Forza haters here in GT planet that dont know nothing about Forza, also theres a lot of GT haters on the Forza forums that dont know nothing about GT5. I dont think many denies that GT5 is the best SIM. Being a sim just isnt enough...
Then you can just put five Ferraris in the game and ten world circuits, make it photorealistic and then work five years to get the physics right. Thats not enough at all. Customization dosent make a better RACING game, who said that? You have got to realize that while some people only wants a racing sim to work hours just to scrape of a milli second of their Nurgburgring lap others are buying car games/racing games for the cars. These kind of people (Including me) are more Car Enthusiasts than Hardcore racers.
We are the kind of people that actually knows that year 2006 you couldnt buy the Audi A4 with Midnight blue pearleffect anymore because that became a Exclusive color (extra charge of 2500 $). Or that the Mazda RX-7 RE Amemiya kit that was showcased on the 2000 Tsukuba superlap is the AD GT kit.
Us real car enthusiasts that loves cars more than racing (Theres a lot of us) we cant even change rims. That alone is a huge miss by PD. I could go on but nah...this argument alone is enough.
I dont think people are over-hyping Forza. I just think they simply feel so dissapointed that they feel Forza is overall miles ahead of GT5. Whos fault is that then? Not Forzas. And cant turn aids off? I have no aids at all so i dont know what Forza game did you play.
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I´m with 'Ya Pops'. Just no. And i played both with a wheel. It's just a matter of the car configuration. And to be honest - many cars in GT5 are spinning out way, way too fast. Harder to drive doesn't mean more realistic, you know?
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- Sidstyler
We've come a long way from the pong days my friend, and i agree fully.
Video gaming is about the experience, and every gamer will have likes and hates. I may not give a crap about SingStar, but since its on the market someone else must.
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- CygnusZero
You've VERY clearly never played forza 3, or are just a huge rabid GT fanboi. GT5 feels pretty much exactly the same as Forza 3 does in every aspect of the handling and physics, sorry to tell you that but its the hard truth.
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- CygnusZero
This will never end. Pretty much every review and most everyone thats played both games says you're wrong. Ive played both with wheels, oddly enough they feel pretty identical to me, no perceivable difference.
True, I know how most BMW's behave on the limit and even the ones with 400hp or more are very controllable indeed, I don't need any S or R tyres for that.
realwerewolf
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LMAo, the physics are well beyond froza in GT5, only the most dilluded forza fanboy will argue that.
You're an extremely annoying poster that uses speculation instead of facts. We're no Forza fanboys smartass, we're GT fans who feel deceived by GT5. This is only going to get worse, lots of my friends feel the same way and they also looked on the internet and saw all these people discussing the same issues. Stop pretending everything is alright with GT5, and stop flaming Forza, this has nothing to do with Forza.
realwerewolf
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Im annoying becauae I dont agree with you? good luck getting through life with that close minded attitude. I already said Forza is a great game, that doesnt mean Gt5 doesnt do some things better, again, only someone who is a fanboy or not a clue about cars thinks forza's driving physics, breaking and handling are on par with Gt5. Lots of your friends? LMAO, yeah, owill,, lots of my friends love the game, doesnt mean squat. millions will buy this game, what a couple people think in the big picture means squat.
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Never heard of it actually. Yeah, for the most part, I use a pad. I have the MS wheel and had some fun with it but I was always a couple seconds slower on my lapttimes with the wheel so I kinda gave it up. Even though the wheel was more fun and immersive. That's kind've a disadvantage with Forza. See, in Forza, I'm not really happy unless I'm driving the fastest car in the game and trying to upload a top 5 laptime on a certain track. With GT5 I feel like I can have a lot of fun in a heavily modified GT-R.
But cmon man, you guys can't deny that there are some questionable decisions from a game making standpoint going on here.
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Ignore Daddybird. He's a troll.
realwerewolf
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No one said there wasn't, but saying forza drives and handles the same as Gt5 is ignorant are wrong. There is a big diff between the two.
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There IS driving aid in Forza, but you can turn that off completely. Get your facts right please.
realwerewolf
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There are some built into the game that CANNOT be turned off, get your facts straight. Just because its not listed in a menu doesnt mean the gameplay is not built with aids. See you tube videos for details.
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Listen you... I owned an ms wheel for the last two years and was a team leader in a Forza3 race league. Stop with the arrogant presumption.
And try F'n reading a post ffs..
How many times do people have to state that that YES, the physics ARE better in GT for you to stop stating that 'the physics are better than forza' over and over again?
I'm done replying to your idiocy.
realwerewolf
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Quote the post where I stated it was the same... Get your ****ing story straight pal.
Jeezus.. Only two posts above this one I've CLEARLY stated that GT had better physics... This f'ing guy...
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Wow, hi all, this is my first post here so I figured why not jump into the fire and toss some thoughts in.
Just to give you all a little background I have been racing cars of some sort or another for about 13 years including open wheel cars and recently I've gotten into Rally. I own a VW Fox race car I run in endurance races, and as well I do a lot of karting. I've also been playing GT since only GT4, I have a bobearlracing.com seat with the old style Logitech GT wheel (I'm kinda broke right now cant afford a new one).
GT5-wise I generally like to use the right car for the job, I don't really bother modding my cars but instead buy something that fits each race type. I also run with no driver aids most of the time (except in that stupid top gear race with the lotuses that was designed by satan himself).
So am I disappointed? Basically, no.
I do have a few criticisms, such as the rally handling which seems to be just a bit off causing me to have to adjust my rally driving style to fit the game. I did the first rally challenge with a stock Ford Focus ST to closely mimic the Fiesta rally car I have driven, and while they should have handled the course similarly, the game makes the dirt and snow feel way less stable than it is. Its nothing I couldn't adjust for, just took some practice and a lot more concentration. I was a bit disappointed in that though.
I'm also disappointed that the AI is still clueless many times. It does seem to mimic what you see form your b-spec driver which is kinda cool, but it just doesn't operate on a higher level that you'd hope for.
Rubberbanding is DEFINITELY happening, for example I did the Euro hot hatch race and the Festival Italia, running an 06 Alfa 147 and while I would rip away from everyone on the turns, once I hit the straightaways other Alfa 147's would catch and pass me. I don't even bother trying to block anymore because about 50% of the time they spin me out if I do that. I know from real life theres no way an identical car is going to catch and pass me on the straight if I've entered and exited the previous corner faster and I'm that far ahead. At least they don't run away from you and you can eventually put them far enough behind you. But it can get frustrating.
I agree on the standard car models, while some don't look so bad (my Mercedes 190 E Evo II looks pretty good), I drove a 91 Nissan GTR yesterday that looked like It was straight off the original GT on PS1!
I've never driven Forza so I have no basis for comparison there, however I can compare to NFS: Shift and I can say with certainty GT5 is in another league. Yeah Shift may be more polished and structured, and of course you can mod any car however you want. But as maddening as the GT5 AI is just holding its line, the Shift AI is out to kill you. The first turn in that game is always a big smashup, and the AI drivers will intentionally smash you out of the way to the point its maddening. I got nearly to the end of that game and just gave up, I couldn't take the frustration anymore. The handling in it while good is no match for GT5 and many others, it feels like the cars are purposely tail happy, and the fact they even reward you for bashing your opponent out is stupid as well. Finally the "original" courses in GT5 are well designed, the ones from Shift are all pretty horrible. Some of Shifts courses are even too tight for the bigger cars to race on. I hope these things are improved with Shift 2, hopefully the FIA GT license will be put to good use there.
One other thing, GT4 just seemed so huge and unfathomable, with the dealership races and stuff like that. GT5 just doesn't, I feel like I can almost see where the end is, where GT4 the end was never really in sight. I see why they did some things, but I find myself wondering what was going on for so long, because I don't think they were adding events (if you recall Prologue even told you what regular GT5 event each race you were playing was from). It just feels overengineered, like they were trying too hard to anticipate everyones desires. They should have released it 2 years ago, we probably would have been more impressed, instead the hype has killed it for us all.
Just to give you all a little background I have been racing cars of some sort or another for about 13 years including open wheel cars and recently I've gotten into Rally. I own a VW Fox race car I run in endurance races, and as well I do a lot of karting. I've also been playing GT since only GT4, I have a bobearlracing.com seat with the old style Logitech GT wheel (I'm kinda broke right now cant afford a new one).
GT5-wise I generally like to use the right car for the job, I don't really bother modding my cars but instead buy something that fits each race type. I also run with no driver aids most of the time (except in that stupid top gear race with the lotuses that was designed by satan himself).
So am I disappointed? Basically, no.
I do have a few criticisms, such as the rally handling which seems to be just a bit off causing me to have to adjust my rally driving style to fit the game. I did the first rally challenge with a stock Ford Focus ST to closely mimic the Fiesta rally car I have driven, and while they should have handled the course similarly, the game makes the dirt and snow feel way less stable than it is. Its nothing I couldn't adjust for, just took some practice and a lot more concentration. I was a bit disappointed in that though.
I'm also disappointed that the AI is still clueless many times. It does seem to mimic what you see form your b-spec driver which is kinda cool, but it just doesn't operate on a higher level that you'd hope for.
Rubberbanding is DEFINITELY happening, for example I did the Euro hot hatch race and the Festival Italia, running an 06 Alfa 147 and while I would rip away from everyone on the turns, once I hit the straightaways other Alfa 147's would catch and pass me. I don't even bother trying to block anymore because about 50% of the time they spin me out if I do that. I know from real life theres no way an identical car is going to catch and pass me on the straight if I've entered and exited the previous corner faster and I'm that far ahead. At least they don't run away from you and you can eventually put them far enough behind you. But it can get frustrating.
I agree on the standard car models, while some don't look so bad (my Mercedes 190 E Evo II looks pretty good), I drove a 91 Nissan GTR yesterday that looked like It was straight off the original GT on PS1!
I've never driven Forza so I have no basis for comparison there, however I can compare to NFS: Shift and I can say with certainty GT5 is in another league. Yeah Shift may be more polished and structured, and of course you can mod any car however you want. But as maddening as the GT5 AI is just holding its line, the Shift AI is out to kill you. The first turn in that game is always a big smashup, and the AI drivers will intentionally smash you out of the way to the point its maddening. I got nearly to the end of that game and just gave up, I couldn't take the frustration anymore. The handling in it while good is no match for GT5 and many others, it feels like the cars are purposely tail happy, and the fact they even reward you for bashing your opponent out is stupid as well. Finally the "original" courses in GT5 are well designed, the ones from Shift are all pretty horrible. Some of Shifts courses are even too tight for the bigger cars to race on. I hope these things are improved with Shift 2, hopefully the FIA GT license will be put to good use there.
One other thing, GT4 just seemed so huge and unfathomable, with the dealership races and stuff like that. GT5 just doesn't, I feel like I can almost see where the end is, where GT4 the end was never really in sight. I see why they did some things, but I find myself wondering what was going on for so long, because I don't think they were adding events (if you recall Prologue even told you what regular GT5 event each race you were playing was from). It just feels overengineered, like they were trying too hard to anticipate everyones desires. They should have released it 2 years ago, we probably would have been more impressed, instead the hype has killed it for us all.
