Well, maybe it's just me, but I hear complaints about everything and... well, everything. Even that the crawl of the competitors in the loading screens glitches many times in the last few seconds of loading! Talk about whining.
As far as reasons for stopping playing the game goes, I think this is the one I've heard the most. Maybe not for overall complaints, but then again, I don't keep track of them all. Do you?
I don't think the "competitive" thing is the biggest complaint, unless you're gravitating to those threads, but I will admit that it's one of the numerous things that PD really could stand to look at. However, I don't think it's as broken as most people are getting carried away about. I like competitive racing, and I'm still having a blast with it. I know it's beneath some of you to take a lesser performer against the bots. Even as some of these very same folk will do that very thing online against living humans, go figure. Hypocrisy? Well, this is the human race we're dealing with...
It's not about the compteitiveness. I can drive the most underpowered car and it gets challenging, but I don't get a feeling of actually racing. It's a bit hard to explain, but basically, in a race, you have to incorporate strategy, defend your position, attack others' position and so on.
In GT5, you have to lap fastest to win. That's the difference. The fact that the AI is painfully slow just adds to that.
For others, it's the sound that matters. A big roaring engine automatically makes the racing feel more real. One guy above lied about the Ferraris sounding like vacuum cleaners. I have a Toyota Supra MkIII, and it really does sound a bit like a vacuum cleaner. So does a relative's Sentra and 240SX. And no Ferrari in this game sounds anything like them. But for some folk, off sound = bad completely wrong sound = bad physics. And unfortunately, another human characteristic is perception is reality. You can talk all day long about various factors GT5 does right, and they'll plug their ears at you.
Yeah, just as a lot of people can talk about what goes wrong with GT5 (the racing, for example) and the GT defenders will plug their ears, as well. Doesn't really change a thing.
I agree that not all cars sound like vacuum cleaners, though. But, overall, I doubt that there's anyone disagreeing that the sound isn't too great for most cars. That's all I'm saying on that matter. Other games get that done a lot better and I'd like to see GT5 catch up in that regard. Not
that important to me, though.
Some people can't stand that the Standard cars even exist, and they get really cranky if anyone dares to like them.
And people get cranky because people dislike them just as much. To some of us, cars that lack features they deem important are a waste of time, first and foremost. But I already have been discussing this over and over and over, so I won't go there again.
Heck, I could type all night about all the "mortal" flaws in GT5, such as the interlacing flaw in the car line-up crawl before the race. But I have to ask why people will give themselves ulcers playing a game they can't stand, come here to post about it constantly, and even pretend that they're fed up and are leaving GT Planet and Gran Turismo forever. Then sometimes hours later, they're posting about something they hated about their last race.
And of course it's not like we haven't heard it... what, a thousand times already?
For the 'heard it a thousand times' bit: That's the same with the GT lovers & defenders and with the guys complaining about complainers. I could've sworn I've read most of your post more than once as well...
You know, if the points the 'complainers' are making are met with the same points by the 'defenders' time and time again (valid or otherwise), what do you expect?
Me, for example, I've put the game aside. There wasn't much palytime to be lost, anyways. I'm primarily spending my time in the off-topic parts of GTPLanet now, in the Shift board and stroll aroudn here a little, mostly because I'm at work and bored. Can't tell you about other people, though. I personally think it's because there's little alternative to GT5 and that it has already been payed, so people might as well play it when bored. I can only guess, though.
Basically, it's the bratty, snotty childishness and rudeness that gets old. And the two faced fib posting. Wanting to sway our opinion on some issue is one thing. But being tards day in and out, that really needs to stop. I know this is a bit OT but I think this needs to be repeated, because it's infecting the boards and causing a lot of bad feelings.
Dunno, as far as I can tell, the whole 'bad attitude' stuff isn't realated to liking GT5 or disliking it. I've seen just as many post that seemed to lack a positive attitude in general from the anti-GT-guys as well as the pro-GT-faction.
To the point though, obviously there's a wide dichotomy between two divergent groups. You really can't say definitively that there's no competitive spirit or good racing to be had in GT5 offline, because many of us are enjoying just that. I am, and I'm turning my nose up at a lot of racing games that aren't that dissimilar. Forxza, previous GTs, games I admire like Live For Speed. Saying that GT isn't very good because a certain group doesn't find it competitive is a false premise. And that's also very different from saying GT5 could use more work.
As stated above, it's not about being competitive. And, as I said, it's great that you some folks get the feeling of an actual race out of it. I don't. And I can't understand what you guys are doing to magically turn it into a racing experience where the AI is actually
racing you, not just lapping the same track as you.
Maybe I just have a different understanding of what racing is than you do.
I know that's how you feel. But you obviously aren't everyone. I know we as humans tend to ascribe our experiences to everyone, but I'm trying to keep from doing that. Keeping the discussion to what is solid and valid would go a long way to getting the boards back on track, and keeping unnecessary arguments from erupting.
You're really getting a bit hung up on the fact that I dind't add an 'in my opinion' after the post, right?
This is another point where I disagree. I see this very thing in the spirit of developers like Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule, United Front Games, and yes, Polyphony Digital. To be sure, I can say that most companies don't inspire these kinds of feelings, especially those under the umbrella of Microsoft or Electronic Arts, as I can imagine they have managers and accountants breathing down their necks a lot.
What kind of feelings? I've very, very rarely felt anything special when playing a game. A feeling of the developer not doing it for money, you mean? One of the very, very few games I got that feeling from that was actually good was World of Goo. Because it was basically free.
If someone's makign a game and selling it at 60$, sorry, I hardly believe they're doing it for the sake of bringing cool games to the people. They may have started at that point, but that's hardly the case with
any major developer any more.
Well, then tell me where you see "genius" in any developer. I see it in groups like I listed above. Now admittedly, GT5 is a little schitzo, but you have a number of people remarking routinely about one thing or another which is simply brilliant about GT5. It's the genius which is in GT5 which has me coming back, and not firing up another racer which might have incredible livery painting and extensive modification. And of course, to be brilliant, someone had to make it that way.
What I associate with an ingenious game is, for example, developing the formula of a franchise further. Or being revolutionary. You know, advancing a whole genre and stuff like that. Note that a game doesn't need that 'genius' feeling to it for me to consider it good.
But, sticking to the same formula you have used for years, taking steps back here and there, even, that's not genius, in my book. Neither is advancing things like graphics and physics. That's 'scaling with the hardware available'. And aside from said 'scaling', I don't think GT has advanced a lot from GT4 to GT5, if at all.
I know some of you secretly want the thread title changed to "Why we hate GT5 (and Kaz too!)." But if you would approach this crazy game, and us, as if you want to engage people in a dialog which will fuel positive changes, it would be such a nice change in the weather here. Heck, there's nothing wrong with saying, "Man, I really don't like the XP system."
Or "Jeepers, cars are too expensive. I wish Kaz would fix the economy, not just dump a bucket of credits in our laps once every two weeks in Special Events."
Or "I wish we could win prize cars more than once."
Or "Is it just me, or is a paint shop without any of its own
paint kind of messed up?"
Or "I just played the Formula Truck demo, and the racing was so competitive! Kaz, could you tweak the bots a bit more to give us racing like that?"
Or "Could we
pleeeeeeaaase have more A-Spec events, and some new tracks in single player?"
Not "What the flock was Kaz thinking when he made this piece of road kill! You people are all hamsters for liking this piece of tar! And the Standards all SOCK!"
Just a thought.
You know... As I said, it's not only the complainers that are not palying nice.
"Man, I really don't like the XP system."
"STFU kid, Kaz knows best, he's a genius and never wrong with anything!"
So, yeah, if anything, start preaching to
both sides to play nice.
And reading this:
machschnel, I think my entire post went completely over your head. I'm sure the folk at PD know how to ignore
worthless posters.
I'm talking about those of us who are tired of the
rude, thoughtless tards here who we would rather
punch in the face in real life than spend ten seconds with.
I don't like putting people on Ignore. My list is empty. I'm hoping that most of
the whiners here will grow up and quit acting all gangsta-like. But seeing how the entire world is beginning to catch fire from the actions of
easily led useful idiots whipped into a frenzy, I'm beginning to lose hope in that civilization thing.
You
might want to reconsider that condescending attitude of yours before preaching to others about their general tone.
Reeks of hypocrisy otherwise. You know, like it's just a reason to shut people up if you can't actually argue their points.
Please talk down to me from your high pedestal.
Any player can tackle any other player with a rugby tackle, and drag him to the ground? Plus maybe get in a good headbutt or two, and the ref simply ignores it all...
