Well, we can agree to disagree. Driving a late model racer straight out of the pits onto a short oval on cold slicks wasn’t like ice imo like in pc2. I guess I am not prepared to go into another title and learn it’s physics model and ffb effects and what they mean. The game I play has more than enough for me-it is just annoying reading the opinions often pushed aggressively by others (not yourself) about how much better other titles are. I’ve tried several and my personal takeaway has been poor. If you’d like to recommend a great car track combo for pc2 I am all ears-anything maybe gt4 and below. I certainly haven’t experienced anything worth writing home as of yet.