Is GT5 Dying?

[another_jakhole]

Actually you know what? The premise of this question is fundamentally flawed, because the yes/no poll answers do not mean anything. There's nothing to be concluded or gained from it, all it says now is that *looks up* of 187 people, 106 think its 'dying' while 81 think its not, but the opinions on the yes and no answers range massively, my 'yes' answer is completely different to someone else’s yes answer.

Possibly a less broad question, with more answers would bring about better discussion, as it stands this is just degenerating into 'GT5 is great' or 'no, GT5 isn't that great' and even people who think its completely broken or completely perfect.

My answer earlier on, in summary says, 'it needs more support', and more importantly, the allocation of that support should be turned much further away from GTA and toward way more productive and broader impacting endeavours, improving the game as a whole as well as adding more content is the best way to keep this game 'living' longer.

I was thinking about mentioning that earlier. There just can't be a right or wrong answer. I could state that it's dying from not having enough offline events and that it's too late in the game's life to offer anything "fun". Or, I'll say that it isn't dying, because the consistent sales numbers for most of its life say otherwise, and even with being mainly an offline user, GT5 still won't die so long as I can use a wheel.

I see this thread to be a simple opinion thread. The poll is there as a simple reference, I suppose. It's unfortunate that most people think the game is losing it's mojo or needs viagra, depending on what you think the game is lacking or what should be added . Obviously it doesn't represent the percentage of people not playing anymore, and not trying to be a jerk, but most/all of the people who get angry about the DLC, who feel that GT5 was and is a more broken than not game, and who've left GT5 for FM4/iRacing/rFactor most likely voted "Yes" (which screws up the tally ).

How does this benefit people who want to race seriously?

uhh Why so serious? Why does it have to be that way? The GREAT majority of people who've bought a car game have not once used a serious steering wheel. Though, it could be that 51% of car game owners have only tried teh seriously unserious steering wheels, like seriously.

Clutching at straws are we? Echoing what MuoNiuLa said, how is this beneficial? Sure it's a unique feature, but that doesn't mean it's automatically good.

Longevity. I'm an offline player. End of. The fact of the matter is that it's very uncommon/rare for a "serious" racing game to include what GT5 includes.

Looks like you're denying how beneficial it is. More is better. NFSU, an arcade game, was completely bearable to me with how many/little cars it had. I pretty much beat the game with the Miata, then I waited for the open-world sequel that I played more than the first. With GT5 (only a few years more realistic than NFSU), I change cars every hour, change tracks every minute, and watch replays every second of the day. Technically, there are an infinite number of tracks. NASCAR, F1, snow, dirt, karting, take a NASCAR race car to London, take a rally car to the Ring, "handle" an F1 car on a custom made Kart Track; I say "handle", because someone usually brings up that driving an F1 and driving on dirt/snow in GT5 isn't realistic enough, which doesn't have anything to do with the thread. Serious racing?

 

[llNovall]

Simple answer: if you still enjoy and continue to play, GT5 is alive and well. If you no longer play or are overly bored with the title, then it's obviously dead and may be time to move on. I have a total of maybe 8 hours during the week to play. To me there is plenty still to do, from picking a car and testing/tuning it, comparing track times of different cars, to going online and racing with orhers. For meits alive and well.

 

[gamerdog6482]

How does this benefit people who want to race seriously?

Clutching at straws are we? Echoing what MuoNiuLa said, how is this beneficial? Sure it's a unique feature, but that doesn't mean it's automatically good.

What I am saying is GT is (TMK) the only game that does that.

 

[Moontallico]

With that in mind, do you feel GT5 is dying for you, i.e. are we near the end of it's support/life cycle, or do you think we've still got plenty of time left for more Seasonals, updates, and maybe a DLC or 2?

Well... It still certainly needs more updates to fix stuff, such as the dumb "catch the rabbit" kind of events (though I still think it's an interesting way to test the players overall driving, ability to overtake, and be fast enough to win), which are FAR from actual racing and something PD should check PC sims or Codemasters F1 games for, since those do quite well in that department. Other thing that really needs being fixed, for example, is the physics difference between on and offline.
And heck, GT5 Prologue had a Spec III update, and I'm counting on GT5 getting it as well plus some more DLC.
But that's up to PD.
However, PD are focusing a lot more on GT6's production now... so I'd say that in therms of PD's support on GT5, there isn't going to be much more left, and yea, we are near the end of GT5's support/life cycle.
Untill then, I'm still going to enjoy it 'till GT6 comes.

 

[DGXR]

I voted yes... I believe GT5 has been slowly dying for the past 12-18 months or so. (I also need to say that the word "dying" is a little strong, but that's not what this debate is about.) GT5 has been out long enough that it's mostly played out and glitches exploited and its been relentlessly nit-picked. A price drop is an excellent indicator that a title is seriously losing relevance. I think GT5 will continue to fall in popularity until GT6 comes out, at which point I think the word "death" will be entirely appropriate. Yes GT5 will still be played after GT6 launches, but the dropoff will be very fast and very extreme, kind of like passengers on a sinking ship... but some (possibly including me) will remain until the whole thing goes to the bottom. I really do love GT5, with all its flaws and shortcomings. Heck, I was the last in my group of friends to buy a CD player, and I still don't own a HDTV. LOL

 

[gamerdog6482]

I voted yes... I believe GT5 has been slowly dying for the past 12-18 months or so. (I also need to say that the word "dying" is a little strong, but that's not what this debate is about.) GT5 has been out long enough that it's mostly played out and glitches exploited and its been relentlessly nit-picked. A price drop is an excellent indicator that a title is seriously losing relevance. I think GT5 will continue to fall in popularity until GT6 comes out, at which point I think the word "death" will be entirely appropriate. Yes GT5 will still be played after GT6 launches, but the dropoff will be very fast and very extreme, kind of like passengers on a sinking ship... but some (possibly including me) will remain until the whole thing goes to the bottom. I really do love GT5, with all its flaws and shortcomings. Heck, I was the last in my group of friends to buy a CD player, and I still don't own a HDTV. LOL

Than you haven't experienced GT5.

 

[Jav]

The only way GT5 would get some life back is if someone comes up with a way to mod this game, wich is highly unlikely...

 

[DGXR]

Than you haven't experienced GT5.

Well it's not a flat-screen HDTV with the HDMI port, but it does take the RGB component cables so I think it's 480 or 720p. The picture is good enough for me, for now, and somehow my life still feels pretty complete without a $700 television. Now back on-topic.

P.S. *Then

 

[gamerdog6482]

Well it's not a flat-screen HDTV with the HDMI port, but it does take the RGB component cables so I think it's 480 or 720p. The picture is good enough for me, for now, and somehow my life still feels pretty complete without a $700 television. Now back on-topic.

P.S. *Then

19" flat screen that does 1080P was only $120 a year ago. Can't imagine they'd be much more know.

Bur really, if you're not at 1080P then you really haven't seen everything GT has, especially in photomode.

 

[1241Penguin]

Longevity. I'm an offline player. End of. The fact of the matter is that it's very uncommon/rare for a "serious" racing game to include what GT5 includes.

I don't follow. Once we run out of proper events to run, we have to end up racing against cars that are not related in class at all. What fun is that? Sounds more like track days to me, and we all know there generally isn't any sort of proper racing in track days.

What I am saying is GT is (TMK) the only game that does that.

GT5 is also the only game that has two different quality levels of cars (Standard vs Premium). What's your point?

 

[gamerdog6482]

I don't follow. Once we run out of proper events to run, we have to end up racing against cars that are not related in class at all. What fun is that? Sounds more like track days to me, and we all know there generally isn't any sort of proper racing in track days.

It could be great fun! Just trying to see if a BMW DTM could beat a Honda SGT whilst both trailing behind an Audi and Nissan GT3, I find that fun.
Maybe it isn't realistic, but a game doesn't have to be realistic to be fun.

 

[1241Penguin]

It could be great fun! Just trying to see if a BMW DTM could beat a Honda SGT whilst both trailing behind an Audi and Nissan GT3, I find that fun.
Maybe it isn't realistic, but a game doesn't have to be realistic to be fun.

Okay, I don't have a problem with this. But this?

The thing with GT5 is that you can race all of those together. You can race a DAKAR car against a formula car and have a DTC somewhere in the middle, with a kart and a Honda Civic in the back. You can have a race of 12 JGTC cars, and have them all get beaten by the two Can-Am cars up front. For crying out laud you can race an FIA GT1 race car against a Citroen 2CV! What other game can do that?

Come on.

 

[Jav]

Okay, I don't have a problem with this. But this?


Come on.

Lol! Yeah, I'm not the only one... If only these guys could focus a little and give us the cars at their true tune and balanced cars within classes. Oh well!

Funny, this whole update DLC thing has revived my GT5 dissapointment!

 

[Da-Bomber]

I blame the short life span mostly on the small A-spec career. I mean we go from like 400 to 90.

 

[gamerdog6482]

Okay, I don't have a problem with this. But this?


Come on.

Believe it or not I have raced a Citroen 2CV against an FIA GT3 duo online.
Needless to say I didn't win, but I certainly had fun racing.

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

If you have not done so already, get online and race. There are many clean race events and series posted here and at other sites. Join in the online fun, GT5 is not dying.

There is even a new update. (2.08) Definitely not dead.

 

[Dotini]

The strategic problem is that the GT5 A-Spec Career Hall was established without the PP scale (a crucial late-coming improvement) already being in place.

If the A-Spec Hall had PP criteria, then we would have dozens of active forums and threads still going by those attempting to achieve best PP results in all those A-Spec races. Currently, we do not have as much as a single active forum or thread devoted to the entire A-Spec Hall, and all those races have been completely forgotten, for the most part. There is still PLENTY left there to do - if only results were to be ranked by PP.

And it could still happen!!

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[another_jakhole]

I don't follow. Once we run out of proper events to run, we have to end up racing against cars that are not related in class at all. What fun is that? Sounds more like track days to me, and we all know there generally isn't any sort of proper racing in track days.

That's true, but he was talking about variety in general, not about the amount of variety of events there are. We would all like more events without needing to use the Arcade.

The other point I was making is that I play offline and still find a use for most things, while most people on GTP presumably play online most of the time where they can participate in a league. If something isn't the case for you, it doesn't mean everybody's in the same situation. Bringing up the lack of events doesn't mean anything, since there are still ways for the content to be used. If there was no Arcade Mode or Online play (including seasonals), then you'd have a just reason to say the variety of the content and features are redundant.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The races are way too easy though. Even with 30 less HP than the slowest AI, and two compounds harder tires... AI too slow.

 

[Lambob]

GT5 is my Nurburgring Simulator (on or offline), for all available cars in the game. It will only die, as soon as I am playing GT6.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Does anyone one believe we'll see a Spec III like Prologue?

 

[Slash]

I really hope so.

 

[gamerdog6482]

Does anyone one believe we'll see a Spec III like Prologue?

No. I really do think that 2.08 is/was the last update GT5 will get. Maybe we will see a 2.09, but I don't think that GT5 will go past that.

Because, and only because, PD is focusing on GT6.

 

[Nielsen]

No. I really do think that 2.08 is/was the last update GT5 will get. Maybe we will see a 2.09, but I don't think that GT5 will go past that.

Because, and only because, PD is focusing on GT6.

I think you're wrong, we will most probably get more DLC.

 

[Slash]

You mean GT-Rs?

 

[xxDingerxx]

Does anyone one believe we'll see a Spec III like Prologue?

I was kinda hoping that there would be a Spec III but its looking more doubtful with patches and DLC becoming less frequent.

Round about now would have been the perfect time for a major spec change but I wouldn't be surprised that only bug fixes are considered now with GT6 getting all PD's attention

 

[gamerdog6482]

I think you're wrong, we will most probably get more DLC.

Maybe, maybe not. If PD is going to give us anything more, they had better do it fast.

You mean GT-Rs?

I wouldn't say no to a nice premium MNPII Skyline, or a batch of '12 GT-R SGT.

 

[another_jakhole]

The races are way too easy though. Even with 30 less HP than the slowest AI, and two compounds harder tires... AI too slow.

I don't think otherwise. I'm merely saying that we've been given a ton of varying content. It's true the AI is slow around corners and is too cautious, which makes it non-competitive. I'm really not denying that.


To go into the AI a little more (not from a technical standpoint), there's a difference between dumb or slow and fast or smart AI in a racing game. If you get in the way of an AI and start braking out of nowhere in front of him, should he risk crashing into that car by getting around it as fast as possible while then having the risk of the cars behind crashing into two cars that sometimes can take up half the track? No, he'll say, "What's wrong with this guy!" and slow down like all hell to avoid totaling his car - million dollar car since the setup of GT is racing first, driving second.

I's rational and does let the AI cars follow different routes. Competitive is a different subject. Mimicking the competitiveness of a human and taking into account every precise reaction that the human mind should execute in a situation (most FPS games have a simple workaround for it) that must stay consistent continuously will not be an easy task with something as high standard as GT.

Someone will annoyingly think
"high standard? ya, there are a lot of Standards alright. "

Or, Enthusia will be mentioned if that game had better AI.

AI (and physics) needs RAM and coders obviously -

They ARE different examples of GT/5's feats.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7218043#post7218043
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7321296#post7321296

Does anyone believe we'll see a Spec III like Prologue?

I've thought that we would for sure, but I'm not sure. This doesn't have anything to do with the HSV either as I'm sure there are some melodramatic people that do feel that way.

It only depends now on how soon we'll be getting the next GT.

 

[gamerdog6482]

Competitive is a different subject. Mimicking the competitiveness of a human and taking into account every precise reaction that the human mind should execute in a situation (most FPS games have a simple workaround for it) that must stay consistent continuously will not be an easy task with something as high standard as GT.

Grabbing this paragraph out of context.

The Playstation 2 had that beautiful piece of computing called the Emotion Engine, which if the PS3 had would solve a lot of the problems that GT5 has with AI. Sadly, the Emotion Engine was never included in the Playstation 3 (Which is the main reason GT3 and GT4 can't be played on the old PS3s) and thus AI had to take a hit-technologically speaking, it wouldn't make any sense if it didn't. If GT6 is released onto the PS3 (which I truly believe it will) PD will have to find some way to power their way past that limitation, which will require a lot of system resources and processing power. I'm not saying that the PS3 doesn't have that (I actually have no idea what the PS3 has inside), but it can only do so much. If GT6 is released onto the PS4 (which I doubt it will), we can all hope that the Emotion Engine is installed inside it's obligatory black case.

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[photonrider]

The strategic problem is that the GT5 A-Spec Career Hall was established without the PP scale (a crucial late-coming improvement) already being in place.

If the A-Spec Hall had PP criteria, then we would have dozens of active forums and threads still going by those attempting to achieve best PP results in all those A-Spec races. Currently, we do not have as much as a single active forum or thread devoted to the entire A-Spec Hall, and all those races have been completely forgotten, for the most part. There is still PLENTY left there to do - if only results were to be ranked by PP.

And it could still happen!!

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

That, I believe was the most glaring inconsistency in the Game - in fact leaving the game out of the Simulator. A-Spec in 3 and 4 were tremendous and could keep one occupied for hours on end. It's almost as if Kaz and his Crew were concentrating on the realism that the software provided and left the game-strategy/competitiveness development for the last and then almost seemed to have never got around to completing it, or left out large chunks that would have made what is presently in the Game in A-Spec make more sense. I have my suspicions that 6 will bring back the one-make and manufacturer events. Hopefully. Developing successful Online (which itself means dependence on the Internet - something beyond their control) at the same time throws a spanner into the works.