Japanese Super cars poll.

[~Sp33~]

okay, im just clearing things up here.

These cars when looking at only the japanese market are definantly considered supercars. This is why ive said 'Japanese supercars' if i were to say global supercars, then added the cars that i have, then i would have got a well deserved spanking. But in the perspective of the japanese market these cars are supercars.

Famine has shown his opinion of how any car that isnt MR isnt a supercar. Apart from the odd exception i thoroughly believe him. Supercars are made to be well balanced great performing machines that are able to give maximum potential and exceed whilst doing so. The exception of the Speed 12 is barely an exception in my opinion, The cars lightweight aw inspiring HP alongside its FR configuration would make this car very hard to achieve max potential. Its instability throughout corners would lead the driver to believe that the car is incapable... Which is not what a supercar should be doing at all...

Thank god the topic has left the bagging of polls for the time being,

~Sp33~

 

[Sanjko]

Supra is the best better any of the cars.

 

[Quattro20v]

Then Lada/VAZ 2107 must be one of the best Russian supercars. 995kg/72hp, 0-100km/h in 15secs.

 

[Syntax error]

well i gotta say the title is a little missleading cause the only super car on the list is the NSX so i picked it, however i drive a 300zx irl and well i gotta say judging by the list it should have been up there and the title of the topic should have been japanese sports cars, but anywho, the NSX is the definitive Japanese sports car.

 

[Speedy Samurai]

These cars when looking at only the japanese market are definantly considered supercars. But in the perspective of the japanese market these cars are supercars.
~Sp33~

Actually, here in Japan all those cars, with the exception of the NSX, are considered sports cars. If a Japanese person wants a supercar he doesn't pay an RX-7, he buys a Ferrari. If he wants a domestic high end sports car, he buys the NSX. Japan is pretty much devoid of any real domestic supercar, NSX aside. However, there are some on the way.

 

[JTSnooks]

Well the only one out of those that is even close to being a supercar is the NSX, so I'd have to vote for that, even though it's not my favorite (RX7). Although the RX7 is the second closest out of them, in my opinion.

Examples of true, definite, no argument supercars: Porsche Carrera GT, Ferrari Enzo, Lamborghini Murcielago, Mercedes SLR, McLaren F1, etc. Cars like the 911 Turbo (or GT2), Dodge Viper, Ford GT, NSX, and some of the slower Ferraris are grey area borderline supercars. They'll do in a pinch. The Z06, although very fast, is one step further down on the ladder, with the RX7 around the same area (to me). The Supra and GTR would be just below them, or perhaps on the same level, although the GTR doesn't have the styling to be classed as a supercar, maybe it would count as a sports car.

 

[Sven]

Hmm...Well, your definition of a supercar would take all Porsche's save the GT off the list. and I dare say that the 911 Turbo is a supercar.

Supercars should ONLY be about performance, not price. Now, if you want to put creature comforts in there so Supercar = Performance + Luxury I can see that. But putting a specific price on it like you have done takes away a lot of cars that should be supercars. Like the Viper, 2006 Z06(500hp) and a few others.

I can see how this can be a gray area, but to put specific limits on it, especially price, simply isn't fair.

The point was more to say that the definition of "supercar" is too subjective than to provide a concrete definition...And my definition isn't even that concrete. I've got exceptions.

I think a supercar is one of those things you know when you see, but can't define...

 

[Grand Prix]

I think the defintion of a supercar is purely based on opinion. Let me use the Lister Storm as an example.

Is the Lister Storm a supercar? Some say yes. Some say no.


Is it exclusive? Yes, very few of them were produced and the Sultan of Brunei has one.

Is it expensive? Yes, over 500,000 British pounds.

Is it fast? Definetly. Largest engine ever put into a production car, 7 litre V12 supercharged. Close to 600Hp.


Is it a two-seater? No, it seats four. But the McLaren F1 seats three, so to say that this alone classifies the Storm as not a supercar would be flawed.

Is it mid-engined? No, it is front engined, but other front engined cars have been referred to as 'super' as well: Ferrari GTO, Ferrari 275 GTB, Dodge Viper, TVR Speed 12, Aston Martin Vanquish, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Mercedes 300 SL, Jaguar E-Type.


Using the exmples above, I think 'supercars' are merely sports cars with extra traits that make them more desirable. Most of them, however, are associated with speed. The common goal manufacturers aim for now is to produce a sports car capable of exceeding 200 MPH. As technology improves and time goes by, the Supercar changes to meet the desires of those with tremendous wealth. In the 1950s it was incredible to have a car capable of 100 MPH. In another 50 years 300 MPH supercars might be the norm, and cars like the Ferrari Enzo would be cosidered as hillariously slow as we consider the 300 SL to be today.

But one thing is for certain; they are all sports and GT cars.

 

[~Sp33~]

Actually, here in Japan all those cars, with the exception of the NSX, are considered sports cars. If a Japanese person wants a supercar he doesn't pay an RX-7, he buys a Ferrari. If he wants a domestic high end sports car, he buys the NSX. Japan is pretty much devoid of any real domestic supercar, NSX aside. However, there are some on the way.

A Ferrari isnt japanese last time i checked. I was talking about Japanese cars, built in Japan. In the top end spectrum of cars, i would have thought that these would have been classed as supercars, im wrong and sorry, but its too late to change the title. -_-`.

 

[Swift]

A Ferrari isnt japanese last time i checked. I was talking about Japanese cars, built in Japan. In the top end spectrum of cars, i would have thought that these would have been classed as supercars, im wrong and sorry, but its too late to change the title. -_-`.

No it's not. You can change the title of the first post and that will change the title of the thread.

 

[thebindley]

i think chesse smells pretty funny when it has been outside in 40 degrees for 10 days, but does this smell make it supercheese?, or is it just cheese which has become more desirable to french people because of it's exclucivity and extra stinkiness, i think that this is the question we have to ask ourselves when deciding weather a cheese really is super or not, although the cheese has gained an extra wiffiness, this wiffiness can be achived through leaving lesser cheeses outside for long periods (read:modification), the question begs, can a supercheese be created or does a supercheese have to be something created by a spcialist (italian) manufacturer, lets face it, in the end it is simply a question of taste that seperates a supercheese, from a normal or sports cheese

 

[~Sp33~]

LOL~! nicely put.. i think. Im glad you explained it.. or i would have flamed you for talking about cheese in muh pole

 

[thebindley]

i just think we need to clearly explain what makes it SUPER

 

[~Sp33~]

Yeah, thats true. Supercars have many ways in which they are viewed. Some think its straight line performance potential, or large amounts of G's through a corner... But what truely clarifies the true meaning of supercar is still nowhere to be seen.

 

[Famine]

So there's lots of supercars in Angola then? I mean, they don't get Ford Fiestas, for a start...

And, as pointed out earlier, I've never seen a Volga. Is that supercar?

 

[~Sp33~]

volga.. o.O.. i think i missed something

 

[Razo]

There's never been any definate criterea for a super car. My definition of a supercar is a car with a high purchase price from new, designed purely for power, speed, and handling, with other areas of design (particually practicality) being of little concern. Put simply, purely for performance.

A typical example of a supercar in my opinion would be a Ferrari F40, Saleen S7 or Aston Martin Vanquish. Althought there are one or two exceptions to above definitions. Cars like the BMW M5 and the Vauxhall Lotus Carlton are capable of supercar performance, but use saloon car bodies and can carriy 4/5 people.

 

[~Sp33~]

the NSX was designed for as much practicality as possible.. When first built it showed that "supercars did not have to be uncomfortable and impracticle"

 

[JTSnooks]

Is it fast? Definetly. Largest engine ever put into a production car, 7 litre V12 supercharged. Close to 600Hp.

I'm sure you didn't mean that largest engine part, just wanted to point out that there have been hundreds of cars made with larger engines The Viper has an 8.3-liter V10, many 60s-70s American cars came with engines well over 7 liters (7.5 liter V8s were the top of the line on Trans Ams), and some engines from the 30s and 40s and even further back were incredibly massive. Cadillac even had a V16, and although I don't remember the size, it was somewhere close to 10 liters, I believe. Don't quote me on that though. And lots of cars come with BMW/McLaren 7+liter V12s

 

[polyphonyplayer]

nissan skyline every time. after my father owning a nissan skyline GT-R. 1 hell of a car

 

[Kent]

I just wanted to come back and mention something...

If any of you can watch the top gear segment for the Evolution FQ400- watch it!

Thought I saw it mentioned in the thread earlier.
In any case,
The video shows a Lambo "Murc" go up against the FQ400.

Driven by "Random DTM Driver" (?), the murc simply has to lose the Evo (driven by clarkson) on top gear's test course. No come from behind or handicap, just plain old leave it in the dust.

The Lambo never loses the Evo.

However, the Evo is tested in other ways during the same show.
"Day to day life" testing.

Clarkson stalls out and explains how often that happens.
He also test the car in a 30mph rolling start, high gear accel. test against some random grocery getter- the Evo gets whipped without its turbo.

With most of us deciding a "super car" by definition is subjective, I want to remind us all that there are certain quality aspects that can't be accounted for in lap times and power figures.

Btw, since I gave up the goods on the Evo vs Lambo battle... Here are some screen caps I've made!
(thanks to "racing-flix.com" and "top gear")

 

[Jay]

I'm sure you didn't mean that largest engine part, just wanted to point out that there have been hundreds of cars made with larger engines The Viper has an 8.3-liter V10, many 60s-70s American cars came with engines well over 7 liters (7.5 liter V8s were the top of the line on Trans Ams), and some engines from the 30s and 40s and even further back were incredibly massive. Cadillac even had a V16, and although I don't remember the size, it was somewhere close to 10 liters, I believe. Don't quote me on that though. And lots of cars come with BMW/McLaren 7+liter V12s

Yeah,
Also Bugatti Royale had a 12.8L Straight 8 engine and the prototype engine was 14 Litres from memory.

 

[Brock5000]

Semantics aside, I'm surprised to see the NSX leading the poll considering how much it usually gets bagged out for being underpowered. I'd have through the GT-R would be the favourite by far.

I voted for the NSX

 

[JFM92_GTRacer]

I just wanted to come back and mention something...

If any of you can watch the top gear segment for the Evolution FQ400- watch it!

Thought I saw it mentioned in the thread earlier.
In any case,
The video shows a Lambo "Murc" go up against the FQ400.

Driven by "Random DTM Driver" (?), the murc simply has to lose the Evo (driven by clarkson) on top gear's test course. No come from behind or handicap, just plain old leave it in the dust.

The Lambo never loses the Evo.

However, the Evo is tested in other ways during the same show.
"Day to day life" testing.

Clarkson stalls out and explains how often that happens.
He also test the car in a 30mph rolling start, high gear accel. test against some random grocery getter- the Evo gets whipped without its turbo.

With most of us deciding a "super car" by definition is subjective, I want to remind us all that there are certain quality aspects that can't be accounted for in lap times and power figures.

Btw, since I gave up the goods on the Evo vs Lambo battle... Here are some screen caps I've made!
(thanks to "racing-flix.com" and "top gear")

seen that episode, that evo MR was not MEANT to be shaken, period.

 

[Alex_DevO]

Had to go for the Skyline.

 

[JTSnooks]

Yeah,
Also Bugatti Royale had a 12.8L Straight 8 engine and the prototype engine was 14 Litres from memory.

That concept was SWEET, but I was talking about the big luxo-cruisers from the 30s/40s that it was sort of based on

And that's some good info about the FQ400. To me, you can't modify a car to death and then call it a supercar. It has to be originally created as a supercar in order to ever be called one. I could modify my old '66 Ventura 4000lb grandma car to be nearly as fast as an Enzo, and it would certainly end up costing nearly as much, but that doesn't mean I'd ever say "the '66 Ventura is a supercar, just look at what I did with one! I beat an Enzo!"

 

[Jay]

That concept was SWEET, but I was talking about the big luxo-cruisers from the 30s/40s that it was sort of based on

I was just talking about large production displacement engines (automotive), the Production Bugatti Royale (not prototype) must be ethier the largest or close to it.

The larger of the two 30's Cadillac V16's was 452in³ which is roughly 7.5 Litres quite shy of the 12.8 Litre Bugatti.

 

[thebindley]

(To me, you can't modify a car to death and then call it a supercar. It has to be originally created as a supercar in order to ever be called one. I could modify my old '66 Ventura 4000lb grandma car to be nearly as fast as an Enzo, and it would certainly end up costing nearly as much, but that doesn't mean I'd ever say "the '66 Ventura is a supercar, just look at what I did with one! I beat an Enzo!")quote from Jt Snooks

That was precisely my point earlier when talking about rotten cheese, a supercar must be developed to be exactly that

 

[Crash]

According to GWR, the biggest production car engine was 13.5 Liters shared by the Pierce-Arrow 6-66 Raceabout, Peerless 6-60 and the Fageol.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/gwr5/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=43473

 

[Quattro20v]

^Yes. It was inline 6 with 66hp! That's about 4,8hp/litre!