JSTC GT400 (GT300) Season 2 - Winter Test Session 2/9/13 4pm Pst

[freshseth83]

The difference between different cars burning fuel at different rates will be ungodly minimal, especially within only 6 laps. Not even worth mentioning unless we are talking about the 16 of GT Academy.

Not true with fuel consumption and tire wear on FAST or HIGH or whatever it's called. Cars with the turbos or engine tuning will be faster say on the straights, but that also comes with more fuel consumption, as does the higher weight of the cars (like those with ballast).

 

[BAZZER]

That's not true. People were asking for more qualifying time because they couldn't put a lap together on laps 2 or 3. So with 5 or 6 laps, they have a better chance at getting that perfect lap. And some people don't come into the fray with their cars at first so it takes a couple laps for them to get in the groove. Also it's not true about fuel, because some cars burn fuel at a faster rate than others. What I was proposing was tire wear/fuel wear on 'FAST' during qualifying with a 5 lap race.

Having the qualifying as it is can mix it up a lot more than having longer sessions, the slower guys as it is might have a stormer and the faster guys having not so good a lap mixing the grid up. The longer the session the more the faster guys will nail a lap leaving the slower ones behind.

Also if you have fast tyre wear then lap 4/5/6 will be slower anyway as it's like trying to set your fastest time on lap 9/10 etc. And if there is a difference
in tyre fuel wear between cars, the longer the qualifying goes on the more it favours the car that has better tyre wear.

 

[XxShaggxX]

Having the qualifying as it is can mix it up a lot more than having longer sessions, the slower guys as it is might have a stormer and the faster guys having not so good a lap mixing the grid up. The longer the session the more the faster guys will nail a lap leaving the slower ones behind.

Also if you have fast tyre wear then lap 4/5/6 will be slower anyway as it's like trying to set your fastest time on lap 9/10 etc. And if there is a difference
in tyre fuel wear between cars, the longer the qualifying goes on the more it favours the car that has better tyre wear.

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Excellent points

 

[freshseth83]

That would be true if the cars were running 500hp or something. But they've got most 390hp. The tires hardly fall off after 3 laps, and most people weave on their first lap to warm up the tires. I wonder if you guys who're talking against me have even tried what I'm suggesting! It sure seems like you all are just trying to stick to the same format instead of slightly altering it. IMO it's funner and better the way I said. The tires last plenty long enough after 4 laps even with tire wear on FAST. But the fuel will deplete a lot faster and therefor let the cars go faster. How about you try it out and then get back to me.

 

[BAZZER]

That would be true if the cars were running 500hp or something. But they've got most 390hp. The tires hardly fall off after 3 laps, and most people weave on their first lap to warm up the tires. I wonder if you guys who're talking against me have even tried what I'm suggesting! It sure seems like you all are just trying to stick to the same format instead of slightly altering it. IMO it's funner and better the way I said. The tires last plenty long enough after 4 laps even with tire wear on FAST. But the fuel will deplete a lot faster and therefor let the cars go faster. How about you try it out and then get back to me.

I have tested fast wear before and once you get to a certain lap you can very rarely set a faster time than lap 2 or 3.

Again Seth answer me this, when all cars run fast wear they will all up their lap times (if it even makes that much difference) and it will benefit the cars that are better on fuel/tyre wear, making it favour certain cars. Why do you want to change to this and move away from the current set up?

 

[freshseth83]

You're putting words in my mouth. All I said was that some cars burn fuel faster than others. I'm suggesting running qualifying on 'FAST' to get the fuel consumption higher than it is now that way we run a lighter car in qualifying.

You said it yourself-

it will benefit the cars that are better on fuel/tyre wear, making it favour certain cars

then what I'm getting at is true, isn't it? First it was it wouldn't make a difference, but you're stating that it'll favor certain cars. That's my whole point. Cars with ballast will use the tires up faster in qualifying with the setup I'm proposing. But they'll also use up fuel a bit faster so it's a tradeoff. So that means the guys with success ballast will have to work a little harder to get a fast lap time. That evens up the guys without ballast so their tires last a little longer in qualifying allowing them to possibly get a better time with more laps!

Maybe this is all confusing to you guys, but to me it makes perfect sense.

 

[BAZZER]

You're putting words in my mouth. All I said was that some cars burn fuel faster than others. I'm suggesting running qualifying on 'FAST' to get the fuel consumption higher than it is now that way we run a lighter car in qualifying.

What words am I putting in your mouth?

Your saying (the bold part) that some cars burn fuel faster than others, we're saying that it will be so minimal it won't make a difference.

Your also saying (bold par number 2) that cars will run lighter, we're saying what is the point when all cars will be the same? And IF some cars do burn more fuel than others then again it will be so minimal it won't make a difference.

So to summarise, I personally think your trying to change things just for the sake of changing things when the overall outcome will be the same.

 

[racefan88]

I think rather than make a bunch of confusing changes to qualifying procedures we just need to figure out a way to deal with the tire choice aspect of qualifying.

 

[BAZZER]

I think rather than make a bunch of confusing changes to qualifying procedures we just need to figure out a way to deal with the tire choice aspect of qualifying.

You can't deal with the tyre choice for qualifying problem. It's a risk that has to be taken if you want to start on medium tyres. And once we get into the single room races it won't even matter.

 

[SkengD]

Seth at it again , lol

I dont think you should qualy on one setting and race on another .

We already agreed to keep tire/fuel on normal .

All that needs to be confirmed/finalised is will we be allowed to use both tires for qualy or will we be limited to one tire decided by the stewards ( depending on track etc. )

 

[freshseth83]

What words am I putting in your mouth?

Your saying (the bold part) that some cars burn fuel faster than others, we're saying that it will be so minimal it won't make a difference.

Those with ballast, and those with heavier cars will burn fuel faster because they weigh more 💡

Your also saying (bold par number 2) that cars will run lighter, we're saying what is the point when all cars will be the same? And IF some cars do burn more fuel than others then again it will be so minimal it won't make a difference.

You're wrong, again. You don't even pay attention to what I write, so why are you trying to criticize my ideas? How do you switch it up from what you wrote above to this? Cars that are heavier or have ballast will burn fuel faster (especially on the 'FAST' setting). They will also use their tires a little faster as well. That's not minimal.

So to summarise, I personally think your trying to change things just for the sake of changing things when the overall outcome will be the same.

I don't care what you think personally. I'm posting my idea. If you follow it or not doesn't matter. But before you try to blast my ideas maybe you could actually read and try what they are.

Seth at it again , lol

You like my name or something? You should probably stop. You don't have anything to add, just don't reply.

I dont think you should qualy on one setting and race on another .

Why not? They're even separate days. Half the people don't even keep the same setup.

We already agreed to keep tire/fuel on normal .

For the race.

All that needs to be confirmed/finalised is will we be allowed to use both tires for qualy or will we be limited to one tire decided by the stewards ( depending on track etc. )

You should start on the tires you qualified with. That's the strategy. There's no use in having two tire compounds if there isn't any strategy involving where you start with said tire.

 

[SkengD]

Seth your ideas are almost as bad if not worst than your driving thats why I would never try them . Your attitude is horrible , quit taking out your frustrations of having a handicapped spouse on me in the thread.

Dont forget im going to destroy you on the track thats if you can even qualify near me .

Ill stop now , like you asked

 

[XxShaggxX]

Things escalated fast I see lol

 

[rosckolove]

Oh my.... Please guys take this to PM's. All your doing is hurting joe's series.

What we should be discussing is. Will we be forced to use both tire compounds? Or will it just be drivers choice?

Let joe decide on the qualifying/race/tires thing, you guys already gave him every scenario under the sun.

 

[racefan88]

Oh my.... Please guys take this to PM's. All your doing is hurting joe's series.

What we should be discussing is. Will we be forced to use both tire compounds? Or will it just be drivers choice?

Let joe decide on the qualifying/race/tires thing, you guys already gave him every scenario under the sun.

I think if mediums will allow for a one stop strategy and softs a two stopper we should be able to use whatever we want. If not then I have no opinion, Ill be honest I havnt done much tire testing.

 

[rosckolove]

I would just rather not be forced either way. It would be cool if the drivers just chose what to use and see who can come up with the best strategy.

The problem I see is.... Softs are going to be what... 2-3 seconds faster on a track like suzuka. You can run atleast 8 laps on softs, putting you over 20 seconds ahead of the medium users. How long does a pit stop take? Just over 20 seconds depending on fuel intake, and longer if your only pitting once? So the guys on softs come out of the pits just ahead or behind the guys on mediums with fresh tires and the guys on mediums haven't even pitted yet.

I guess it depends on how fast your tires wear on the track but I have found from previous experiences that using the softer tire will be faster overall. I don't want to move the conversation backwards in anyway, I am just giving some of my thoughts on the matter.

 

[phil bell]

What words am I putting in your mouth?

Your saying (the bold part) that some cars burn fuel faster than others, we're saying that it will be so minimal it won't make a difference.

Your also saying (bold par number 2) that cars will run lighter, we're saying what is the point when all cars will be the same? And IF some cars do burn more fuel than others then again it will be so minimal it won't make a difference.

So to summarise, I personally think your trying to change things just for the sake of changing things when the overall outcome will be the same.

It's falling on deaf ears with s, don't bother. I think a vote would see your points catered to anyway. 👍

As for softs, I have to say I'm surprised at how long they last and as what Rosckoe said, will likely be faster overall.

 

[racefan88]

Well things like the length of the pit lane and such also become factors as you look at different tracks, not sure about these cars but I I ran an lmp race a few weeks ago and mediums were the ideal tire overall. I guess in the weather change races tire strategy will come into play a lot more than our standard race.

 

[rosckolove]

As for softs, I have to say I'm surprised at how long they last and as what Rosckoe said, will likely be faster overall.

Its crazy... NO one, not even joe in the lottery video said my name right (even though he spelled it right on paper) Everyone just happens to miss the S in my name.. Your the only dude that ever caught it, and you go and add an E to the end of it. Thanks man... Thanks..

 

[phil bell]

Can't win em all I guess

 

[racefan88]

Its crazy... NO one, not even joe in the lottery video said my name right (even though he spelled it right on paper) Everyone just happens to miss the S in my name.. Your the only dude that ever caught it, and you go and add an E to the end of it. Thanks man... Thanks..

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To be honest just last week did I realize how your name was pronounced. I too never noticed the S.

 

[freshseth83]

Seth your ideas are almost as bad if not worst than your driving thats why I would never try them .

I really don't care what you think. Didn't ask for your input either. My driving is so bad? lol, whatever you say

Your attitude is horrible , quit taking out your frustrations of having a handicapped spouse on me in the thread.

don't get personal kid. Never said my spouse was handicapped. 👎 You don't pay much attention so that was expected. You're showing your ignorance more and more. Keep getting personal and see where that leads you.

Dont forget im going to destroy you on the track thats if you can even qualify near me .

That's nice. More trash talk. You never 'destroyed' me, and you never will. It's a game, guy- get real.

Ill stop now , like you asked

A lil late for that.

It's falling on deaf ears with s, don't bother. I think a vote would see your points catered to anyway. 👍

Sorry, I don't have to agree with everyone else, just like no one has to agree with me.

As for softs, I have to say I'm surprised at how long they last and as what Rosckoe said, will likely be faster overall.

Softs do last a good bit of time. Mediums last maybe 5 or so laps further.

 

[Willfred_1]

Seth I you have a problem take it to Pm
people read through this so keep it friendly and if someone isn't seeing your point explain it in a different way as your ideas are often a tad complicated
And as my dear granny said "if you don't have any thing nice to say keep ur trap shut"

 

[joetruckv8]

I say its a risk you take if you wanna save softs. Has to be a risk reward for saving softs for the end.

This is definitely how we are going to do it. stewarding is too hard as it is to run qualifying gimmicks granted that even if they did work they could be awesome. But with all the changes as it is lets just cross this bridge until season 2 ends!

It's only right to qualify on the tires you start the race with. Most major forms of motorsports that have different tire compounds used on the same day follow this. Indycar and F1 come to mind as the biggest. It spices up the competition as well. I thin there will only be about 14 or 15 people who qualify for the race anyway. So I think we will all fit in one room. And Skeng it's softs and mediums only.

We will be running this scenario. You start on what you qualify on!

The 48hr time limit is plenty, im ok with it, but for people low on the selection order its not fair to keep them waiting, cause we get less time to test our car that we will be racing.

Also, I noticed this thread has 4 tracks listed under preseason, are we doing 2 or 4 preseason rounds?

Q#1: You're right we are going to have to bump this up another notch. Guys who haven't picked yet send me your car choices if you know them already so I can see if there is even going to be a discrepancy in the 1st place?

Q#2: We'll be doing only 2 pre season races. whichever has the most votes by tomorrow will be the winner and if there is a tie we will do 1 last poll to eliminate the tie.

It might all depend on the amount of drivers and the track , some tracks the difference between soft and med might not be too great .

Are the hards going to be used or is it just soft and med ?

Sorry Skeng they got out voted.

Exactly. You don't want to get too gimmicky just to add a twist in qualifying. It's cool but not worth doing all of the shuffling and work just to add that. I like the two tire idea but there should be a risk to using mediums in qualifying as is there is a risk in using softs for qualifying

This is why I don't think there should be a mandatory tire choice in the 1st place. At 200km mediums would be a 1 stopper (hella shot) while softs would be a 2 stopper. Whichever one is faster is up to the driver to find out via simulations between their practice session. I know we naturally compare GT5 to real life, or try to make it like real life, but at some point the game will not allow us to keep in lock step with real life. We have a 16 car grid while real life is unlimited per say, so splinting the room up to the fast 5 on meds or the fast 5 on softs will leave someone in the unlucky position. I say all qualifier runs should be run on soft tires like a lot of real life races do, and let the driver pick his tire choice by the driver wanting to go for a 1 stopper vs a 2 stopper,but that was voted out so end of story! We are going to have to take the risk of qualifying on meds and possibly not making it into room 1, or qualifying on softs and starting on the tires you qualified on and the mix up will be on stint #2 with some drivers going meds and some going softs and ending on meds. If you do some how qualify on meds in make it into room 1 then hey your at a very good advantage for that particular round. We voted mandatory 2 compound rule so actually thru my calculations the pitting is going to be topsy turvy no matter what, because 1 soft compound stint and 1 med compound stint wont make it to the end for a handful of drivers. So I expect people to do 2 stoppers just meet the reg's and finish the race with some rubber left. I'm finishing the op this Sunday, because it needs air time to attract other drivers whom may want to join before pre season.

Zach I have my computer geek here tomorrow so I'll send those spreadsheets over asap. Plz excuse my lateness but school is back in so I'm over worked at the moment.

 

[ZachAK47]

Haha it's alright man, once you send me over the stuff and the OP is posted then the workload shifts over to me on the managing side lol.

And guys, get all this arguments and proposing new ideas out of your system now, so the main thread can be clean... I don't agree with how far it's going but it's better here than in the main thread.

So let me remind myself here- current stewards are Joe, Myself, Seth, Shagg, TNT, Pepsi and Wilfred? Is that it or did I miss anyone. To be honest 7 is enough. We have 2GMT, 4 American and 1 Singapore, thats all the time zones covered with a sufficient amount for each time zone.

Guys when I get back from Uni later I will message you all the new and improved (id be such a good businessman ) stewarding procedures. Expect more when Joe sends me spreadsheets .

 

[freshseth83]

Seth I you have a problem take it to Pm
people read through this so keep it friendly and if someone isn't seeing your point explain it in a different way as your ideas are often a tad complicated
And as my dear granny said "if you don't have any thing nice to say keep ur trap shut"

I don't have a problem, seems people have a problem with me. But that's fine. I'm not here for friends, just a good race.

What's complicated about running your qualifying race for 5 or 6 laps with tire wear/fuel consumption on 'FAST'? It's easily setup in the room and is one or two more laps than we currently have. People were asking for more qualifying time.

Well, 2 more laps and a faster fuel/tire formula simulates doing around 9 or 10 laps. But these cars don't use their tires that fast. So even with tire wear on 'FAST' it won't make the tires go away so much that you can't set fast laps. I've tried it. I do it in another series with cars that have around twice as much power. It makes qualifying go faster and gets your fuel lower faster. Low fuel with fresh tires = fast laps.

It's a suggestion. Not a rule. 👍

 

[BAZZER]

Seth just give it up, you've gone over the same idea for 2 pages now and nobody has liked, agreed or wanted to implement your idea.

It's good to come up with ideas and hopefully one of them will stick but you just go on and on until you get people bored and annoyed.

 

[SkengD]

Ok Seth lets let the past be the past since we are all here for a racing experience . ( and we are really making the thread look bad , as we been told numerous times )

I dont wanna get kicked out of the league for some childish behaviour .

Just try to show everyone the respect you expect and I ofcourse will do the same to you .

Seth idea of a new qualy format is good and bad , I think we could use one more lap for qualy we currently use a 4 lap system and count the 2nd and 3rd lap , I would propose/suggest we up it to a 5 lap system and we count laps 2, 3 and 4 .

So you have 3 flying laps for qualifying .

I disagree changing it to FAST , leave it on NORMAL which is the setting we will use for races so qualy and racing uses the same settings.

Just a suggestion !!!

Im ready to race , cant wait to get this season started .

 

[phil bell]

Bazzer already highlighted why we need not bother changing it just now.

 

[RodeRuner1967]

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Sorry I didn't post this sooner. Wife has been home and keeping me buisy. Plus I've been fighting a sinus & chest cold since Monday. Always make sure your grand children arn't sick when they stay the night.