Just made a 277 hp gallardo

[curtis_boy]

using the new power limiter included in this patch. Is this going to get out of hand? I never played gt5 prologue online before but this seems to shake the balance of gt5. What do you guys think?
p.s im not complaining

 

[Tornado]

I think it is the single best addition ever made to the series. Seriously.

 

[Welsh-Fury]

You could do the same thing on the "Juiced" series. You can still have a car with all the nuts and bolts, but get into race tournaments you were either a few HP under or over.

Personally, the amount of HP you can change in GT5 seems a bit much, compared to Juiced' limit of about 5-7% HP change from default.

I very much welcome this idea, but I won't be surprised to see it tweaked a bit in the future.

 

[Zondaholic]

I'm not too worried, you just have to closely watch that you don't let some yahoo online add 400 kg to and dropping the horsepower of the FGT down a huge amount so they can have the benefits of the aerodynamics without the weight or power restrictions taking effect becoming overpowered and ruining the race.

I like that PD implemented these changes, though. Being a couple of horsepower over a limit and not being able to take off the engine mods was INFURIATING. Weight addition is huge, also. Online just become much more enjoyable.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

Think of the low-end torque and hp you can apply to cars that get scary at the limit though. It's 277hp, but that's all right at acceleration time.

 

[Tommy_861]

I have to say lowering the HP in a car is strange. I just dropped the HP in my Miata to compete with my cousins Peugeot 206 and it feels like there's a dead spot in the engine when you hit the limit. Very weird. Also it didn't seem fair, while our PP matched, his power to weight was better than mine.

 

[curtis_boy]

yea i see the perfomance points limit will have a big effect in balancing online races because its only a matter of time before some guy adds 200 kg to the fgt and lower its hp as far down to 400 lol

Because i was so scared to add that stage 3 kit to my stealth gt500 knowing that it will never get to 570 (lowest bhp) and i cant get another gt500

i say +1 to just add and remove engine stages

 

[xSNAKEx]

This is crap!!

All this time ive been buying multiple cars with multile engine stage tunes and multiple leels of engine ear just so I can match the hp and now all that has become pointless

I wish they would just do something like this from the start

 

[Matyltest]

hmmm, max ballast and 50% restricted untuned 2CV race anyone?

 

[Fleaver]

Hmm. I think I'd rather drive a Prius.

 

[Goudvis]

This is crap!!

All this time ive been buying multiple cars with multile engine stage tunes and multiple leels of engine ear just so I can match the hp and now all that has become pointless

I wish they would just do something like this from the start

You mean it's good, but the timing is crap.

 

[ninjasansan]

Formula 3000 or GP2 FGTs? Hell yeah!

 

[Slurm]

Yeah, this is going to cause problems.

 

[Bobzki]

Tbh, I have tried to get into racing online about a dozen times since the game came out. I gave it my best shot, but was very underwhelmed by the whole thing. It was plagued by 12year olds in veyrons etc, when all I wanted was fairly matched races preferably in lower hp classes but with different car characteristics.

I have joined 1 room this morning and had 3 races, What a difference!! I came in the bottom 3 places everytime, but I actually felt there was some racing. It has now opened up online racing to me. I was always left with a feeling that 90% of people online were just comparing e-penises as someone said the other day.

I was veeeeery sceptical about pp, but I'm converted. Loads of really nice features in the update, unfortunately no leaderboards but pd hav exceeded my expectations so they are forgiven

 

[Fredde_swe]

Reminds me of Forza 3 when I bought a LMP1 car and replaced it's engine with a less powerfull one so I could race in the lower classes.

 

[zk523]

I have to say lowering the HP in a car is strange. I just dropped the HP in my Miata to compete with my cousins Peugeot 206 and it feels like there's a dead spot in the engine when you hit the limit. Very weird. Also it didn't seem fair, while our PP matched, his power to weight was better than mine.

One thing I noticed was that the torque level stays the same when you drop the HP. Should affect the car's personality differently than if both HP and TQ dropped.

 

[curtis_boy]

I have been racing all night and all the host has to do is limit PP and everything will be cool and balanced

 

[pay2021]

Its a very good option, you have a lot HP restrictors in RL.

For me is very usefull for drifting.

 

[shirakawaa]

Problem is that the power limiter doesn't work anything like real induction restrictors.
What is in GT5 is some sort of "ECU electronic throttle limiter" which limits excess power output to a certain threshold in an extremely controlled way.
Real restrictors reduce induction efficiency, causing a more natural, all-around loss affecting to some extent even lower rpm and severily reducing the engine capability to breathe at higher ones.

 

[TBR 427]

Problem is that the power limiter doesn't work anything like real induction restrictors.
What is in GT5 is some sort of "ECU electronic throttle limiter" which limits excess power output to a certain threshold in an extremely controlled way.
Real restrictors reduce induction efficiency, causing a more natural, all-around loss affecting to some extent even lower rpm and severily reducing the engine capability to breathe at higher ones.

Not completely true. Several high-output engines, such as those found in the Ford F6 Typhoon and mercedes Benz SL AMG luxury land-boats have a torque curve very similar to those that you get with the hp limiter.

The F6, for instance, would get to about 560Nm at 2,500rpm and just sit between 560 and 565Nm for the next few thousand rpm.

The Mercs do this:

 

[RobGT81]

A bit like running a restrictor plate too?

 

[shirakawaa]

Not completely true. Several high-output engines, such as those found in the Ford F6 Typhoon and mercedes Benz SL AMG luxury land-boats have a torque curve very similar to those that you get with the hp limiter.

The F6, for instance, would get to about 560Nm at 2,500rpm and just sit between 560 and 565Nm for the next few thousand rpm.

The Mercs do this:
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Yes, that's because they have electronic restrictors/limiters (it's all ECU work). Induction restrictor plates (this is what the description for the Power Limiters in GT5 states they are) or mechanical throttle limiters are unable shape power and torque curves in that controlled way and this is exactly the reason why they're used in motorsports in real life.

 

[Cosbuster]

I wonder if it's possible to have a 400-600hp X1. I like the idea behind the car but 1500hp is just waaaay too much.

 

[TBR 427]

Yes, that's because they have electronic restrictors/limiters (it's all ECU work). Induction restrictor plates (this is what the description for the Power Limiters in GT5 states they are) or mechanical throttle limiters are unable shape power and torque curves in that controlled way and this is exactly the reason why they're used in motorsports in real life.

The plates themselves, yes. But a smart enough ECU should be able to figure out there's an airflow problem, or at least the engine isn't getting enough air), and throttle the thing down. Not saying all will do it this way, and all will do it perfectly (all depends on how mart/stupid the ECU is and how well they programmed it to handle strange situations).


Of course it's not an optimal solution, it's still a 500hp engine throttled and suffocated and ordered by the computer to do 400hp, instead of being an engine designed to be capable of 500hp but mostly used at 400hp.


Sorta like stamping on Michael Jordan's feet and getting him to play backetball against someone who isn't usually over 7 feet tall.


EDIT: I heard you can suffocate the X1 down to 800hp or so. But, even with the max weight and min downforce, it's a 700kg, 800hp fan-car than'll comfortably pull 6g while running rings around the Formula cars.

 

[bass264]

lol I'm going to install the update later today, it's going to be interesting to see my x1 race with only 600-800 horsepower. It might make it harder to beat endurance races.

 

[Zabidenu]

I wonder if it's possible to have a 400-600hp X1. I like the idea behind the car but 1500hp is just waaaay too much.

Just tried and the minimum is round 760bhp.

 

[Cosbuster]

Just tried and the minimum is round 760bhp.

Nice, not bad at all.

 

[snowgt]

Problem is that the power limiter doesn't work anything like real induction restrictors.
What is in GT5 is some sort of "ECU electronic throttle limiter" which limits excess power output to a certain threshold in an extremely controlled way.
Real restrictors reduce induction efficiency, causing a more natural, all-around loss affecting to some extent even lower rpm and severily reducing the engine capability to breathe at higher ones.

It doesn't necessarily have to be ECU controlled. You also have "pop-off" valves that will make the engine lose power, if some pressure gets too high. (As far as I know used only with turbocharged engines though)

 

[sesselpupser]

I wonder if it's possible to have a 400-600hp X1. I like the idea behind the car but 1500hp is just waaaay too much.

Interesting... I wonder if it's possible to reduce the speed enough for the downforce to stop working? I guess not with the X2010 because of the fan, but maybe with the FGT?

 

[HaylRayzor]

Formula 3000 or GP2 FGTs? Hell yeah!

Formula 3000! YESSSSSSSSSSS!!! You're a GENIUS!!!!