"K" cup, What's a K car ?

I don't think you've got your head screwed on right, buddy boy. How the hell could you say no to this Daihatsu Move?

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If the Daihatsu Move was a person, it would have a job as a human doormat. And it wouldn't be very good at it.
 
ultrabeat
If the Daihatsu Move was a person, it would have a job as a human doormat. And it wouldn't be very good at it.
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Oh come on, you just hate the Move because it beats your Wagon R in the looks and speed stakes - my Move does 10km/h, two more than your Wagon R!
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flamingwonky
That's great, sucky cars breed competition? But really, the faster the car the farther the time difference between ideal and n00b seems to be. I raced my friend with twin tuned Midgets not too long ago, and the race was fairly even, although I'm the mainstream GT player of us. It doesn't take much to hurl a Midget through a corner, with all its 53 mph top speed... As the vehicles get faster and thus tougher to control, newbies tend to lose control and get frustrated. It's no wonder most evolution-based racing games (like Parnelli's Ford racing) have the player acquainted with the crappies cars at first. Well... I guess there's another reason - Ford has about two "good" cars!! :lol:
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Yeah, that's how I got started: with Ford Racing from Empire Interactive. Then I moved on to Gran Turismo a year ago. Honestly, those 2 months of Ford Racing trained me for Gran T. If it wasn't for the Ford game, I would have totally sucked and beeen lost in the world of GT, but the Ford game goes in stages so it's kinda cool for a newB. (Ka...Fiesta...Escort...Puma, Focus, Contour, Cougar, Mustang...and a few others. The last car you race is a GT90). The graphics are worse than GT2, but at the time I thought they were awesome!
 
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blue_sharky39
Looks like a pint-sized Postman Pat van.
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Nice one.:lol: Why did PD put a K Class race in GT when there are no concearns about pollution or gas prices in GT World? I want to race cars that I can't race any where else, because they are either not available, to expensive etc etc. I can race most K cars with my wife's Ka on the open roads and yes it is fun but still I yearn for more.
 
TMM
Nice one.:lol: Why did PD put a K Class race in GT when there are no concearns about pollution or gas prices in GT World? I want to race cars that I can't race any where else, because they are either not available, to expensive etc etc. I can race most K cars with my wife's Ka on the open roads and yes it is fun but still I yearn for more.
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The slower cars make it easy for beginners to get into the game. Read my post above, TMM...my friend is a complete novice and he could race almost as well as I could in a Kei at Midfield! Boy, that straightaway was LONG, though. I swear it must have taken a whole minute to get to the end, but it was funny because both our kei cars were neck & neck the whole time.
 
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Parnelli Bone
Cuz the slower cars make it easy for beginners to get into the game. Read my post above, TMM...my friend is a complete novice and he could race almost as well as i could in a Kei on Midfield! Boy, that straightaway was LONG, though. I swear it must have taken a whole minute to get to the end, but it was funny cuz both our kei cars were neck & neck the whole time.
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Point taken, but then how many times has your freind been racing with you? Is he going to get a copy of GT and do the license test's which both show how to handle faster cars and improves your handling of the cars? What license test's do you have to take before you can race the K cup, I bet at least it's the B License which teaches you how to stop, takes corners in a meduim fast car etc etc. Do you see my point?
 
TMM
Point taken, but then how many times has your freind been racing with you? Is he going to get a copy of GT and do the license test's which both show how to handle faster cars and improves your handling of the cars? What license test's do you have to take before you can race the K cup, I bet at least it's the B License which teaches you how to stop, takes corners in a meduim fast car etc etc. Do you see my point?
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My friend Jon doesn't own a Playstation...he's more into cartoonish Nintendo games like the Mario Bros. series and Super Monkeyball (blea!) So he only gets to race when I come visit maybe once a month and drag my entire Ps1 over. So that's the thing: he's not gonna sit there and do license tests and stuff when I'm over there, he's gonna want to just get into 2-player racing. Like I said, my first Playstation racing experience was in a Ford Ka in that Ford Racing game. If I'd just jumped in a Mustang, I woulda never been able to control it!

I think the question should not be Why are there Kei cars in the game? it should be Why are there so MANY Keis in the game? They could have knocked a few of them out to put in faster cars, but personally I like Keis sometimes, even though I like Vipers and Skylines, too. GT2 is a world of all spectrums, see?
 
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I became interested in Key cars ( and posted the starting thread ) when I decided to enter each cup with the proper car,like a Key car for the K cup, or a luxury sedan for the luxury sedan cup ( that brings up another byzantine question: what's exactly a luxury sedan ? )
GT2 is very very permissive ( too much imho) about the car you can enter in a specific cup. Until now, I was using any low powered ( <98hp ) car to run in that K cup.
Now I do it only with cars that strictly match the Key car definition and guess what ? it's fun, and I learn about humble models I never cared about before.
So far, imho Suzuki and Subaru make the best ones.
 
Biased turkey
I became interested in Key cars ( and posted the starting thread ) when I decided to enter each cup with the proper car,like a Key car for the K cup, or a luxury sedan for the luxury sedan cup ( that brings up another byzantine question: what's exactly a luxury sedan ? )
GT2 is very very permissive ( too much imho) about the car you can enter in a specific cup. Until now, I was using any low powered ( <98hp ) car to run in that K cup.
Now I do it only with cars that strictly match the Key car definition and guess what ? it's fun, and I learn about humble models I never cared about before.
So far, imho Suzuki and Subaru make the best ones.
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I do this too if my memory card has a lot of credits on it. I try and match horsepower on a pound/power level, too. I'm making a web page actually that has a list of these ratios and it makes all the races more fair.

http://community.webtv.net/thebeast66/ParnelliBonesGT2

You'll need a calculator!

I think the definition of luxury cup (as far as the game is concerned) is any sedan with 4 doors. Cuz I've seen the Intrepid in real life and it AINT no luxury car!
 
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the dodge intrepid isn't but i've heard its plymouth variant has more luxury to it.

i guess bending the rules for that cup would make sense because otherwise a ****load of 4 door cars would go unused.

and how luxurious is the 4-door R33 skyline?
 
For luxury sedans, just watch the given race and you'll see some examples. Most BMW's, a bunch of Mercedes' (C43 :bowdown: ), maybe a Jaguar XKR, Soarer, Lexi, Alfa 166, all fit into that race from my point of view. Luxury sedans rock! :D 👍
 
Yeah, they do rock! I love racing a Mercedes, Jag, BMW, or even an Intrepid with no weight reductions, it makes the game more challenging & realistic. I don't think the Skyline really qualifies as a luxury car either, although some of them are priced pretty high. But I don't know, I've never even seen a Skyline in America.
 
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Parnelli Bone
My friend Jon doesn't own a Playstation...he's more into cartoonish Nintendo games like the Mario Bros. series and ‘Super MOnkeyball’ (blea!) So he only gets to race when i come visit maybe once a month and drag my entire Ps1 over. So that's the thing: he's not gonna sit there and do license tests and stuff when i'm over there, he's gonna want to just get into 2-player racing. Like i said, my first playstation racing experience was in a Ford Ka in that Ford Racing game. If i'd just jumped in a Mustang, i woulda never been able to control it!

\I think the question should not be “Why are there Kei cars in the game?” it should be “Why are there so MANY Kei's in the game?” They could have knocked a few of them out to put in faster cars, but personally i like Kei's sometimes, even though i like Vipers and Skylines, too. GT2 is a world of all spectrums, see?
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The question I originally posted was why was there a K Cup, the K cars could still exist in the game for those who wanted to race them in 2 player mode or those that enjoyed the challenge of racing Kei cars against faster race cars. Agreed that maybe you could only race at the lower levels, ie Sunday & Clubman cups in a Kei car compared to AI cars but still. I do agree that there are too many of them, but then GT 2 has too many of very simular cars anyway. How many Skyline variants do you really need to own? It frustrates me that I have to race in the K cup but I do see that it is a world of spectrums.

I am planning on taking the Mini to the K cup but is the mini really considered a Kei car?
 
TMM
The question I originally posted was why was there a K Cup, the K cars could still exist in the game for those who wanted to race them in 2 player mode or those that enjoyed the challenge of racing Kei cars against faster race cars. Agreed that maybe you could only race at the lower levels, ie Sunday & Clubman cups in a Kei car compared to AI cars but still. I do agree that there are too many of them, but then GT 2 has too many of very simular cars anyway. How many Skyline variants do you really need to own? It frustrates me that I have to race in the K cup but I do see that it is a world of spectrums.

I am planning on taking the Mini to the K cup but is the mini really considered a Kei car?
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Nah, a Kei car officially has a 63-hp 3-cylinder turbocharged engine (read: slow as hell)and must fit within certain size restrictions. So a Mini would not pass. as a Kei car. I think it's neat that these boxy crapmobiles are in the game, although a slightly fewer number of them in exchange for quicker vihecles would be great too. Anyways, I think there are about 4 categories of auto greatness in GT2:
-Crapmobile, Kei cars, anything else very very underpowered.
-Tuner Car, doesn't necessarily apply to tuned cars. Luxury sedans, most coupes, most manufacturer's favorites go here.
-Sports Cars, Viper and Corvette perfect examples
-Race Cars.
 
flamingwonky
Nah, a Kei car officially has a 63-hp 3-cylinder turbocharged engine (read: slow as hell)and must fit within certain size restrictions.
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Where'd you read that? Kei cars can have as many cylinders as they want, the engines just restricted in displacement and output.
Cheap ones have 3cyl engines for increased economy, more expensive ones have 4cyl engines for better (less) NVH. They're not nessicarly turbocharged, either. It's just a good idea, because then they can have more torque (which is unregulated).
 
TMM
Nice one.:lol: Why did PD put a K Class race in GT when there are no concearns about pollution or gas prices in GT World? I want to race cars that I can't race any where else, because they are either not available, to expensive etc etc. I can race most K cars with my wife's Ka on the open roads and yes it is fun but still I yearn for more.
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Since when did a Ford Ka get to 60Mph in 8 seconds?

My Kei class car does...

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yeti
Since when did a Ford Ka get to 60Mph in 8 seconds?

My Kei class car does...

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Depends who's driving it. But it isn't always about accleration, sometimes it's down to reading the road correctly, knowing which bends I can take flat out and which I need to ease off for. Sometimes it's about knowing the timing between traffic lights, car wizzes off and then has to brake for the lights, meanwhile I drive off and time it so that when I reach the lights they go orange and then boot through to the road where it narrows to 1 lane. I also never said that I win everytime!!!!
 
dudejo
the dodge intrepid isn't but i've heard its plymouth variant has more luxury to it.

i guess bending the rules for that cup would make sense because otherwise a ****load of 4 door cars would go unused.

and how luxurious is the 4-door R33 skyline?
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I agree, I named the Luxury Sedan cup the " Everything goes, even the kitchen-sink" cup.
Everything with 4 doors and 4 wheels is allowed to race.
 
Emohawk
Where'd you read that? Kei cars can have as many cylinders as they want, the engines just restricted in displacement and output.
Cheap ones have 3cyl engines for increased economy, more expensive ones have 4cyl engines for better (less) NVH. They're not nessicarly turbocharged, either. It's just a good idea, because then they can have more torque (which is unregulated).
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It was posted elsewhere, about the 3-cylinder engine and all. I guess I may have been confused. Sorry! ;)

Biased Turkey: Your kitchen sink has 4 wheels and doors? I have GOT to get myself one of those.
 

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