Kart TT-top 3 cheating?

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Has anyone seen if they are actually braking or letting off. Stuff like that. The line they take and such?
 
AMS97F1
Has anyone seen if they are actually braking or letting off. Stuff like that. The line they take and such?
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The top guy lets off and dabs the brakes into the 1st corner, can't remember much of the lap after that lol.
 
Guys its not a HP advantage they have, it's a grip advantage. and besides, even though the karts had more HP before the 2.0 update, they were actually SLOWER. Why? You really couldnt go any faster than 80mph with no draft in the old 36hp kart. Now with the 24hp kart, you can go 100mph without draft
 
doodlemonoply
Guys its not a HP advantage they have, it's a grip advantage. and besides, even though the karts had more HP before the 2.0 update, they were actually SLOWER. Why? You really couldnt go any faster than 80mph with no draft in the old 36hp kart. Now with the 24hp kart, you can go 100mph without draft
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Why do you want more Speed on Kart Space if you only can reach 70 mph on the short straight ?


raVer
 
doodlemonoply
Guys its not a HP advantage they have, it's a grip advantage.
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It's deffo down to grip and gearing, when I was in the Karting scene 10 years ago, our engines weren't the most powerful in the championship, but we won it due to gettting the set up right etc That and having a good driver int he Kart.
 
KB18FAN
Are you serious, I did it to try to help, thats why. Then I get these unappreciated people telling me my idea is crap and so on so yea, I'm going to be miffed. I don't see anyone else tring to figure it out. Instead they just want to cry about it and make aquisations. Haven't you heard of someone just wanting to be helpful. Thats all I was doing. And yes, if people are gonna cry and complain about the alledged cheating, then they CAN be labeled as cry babies. Anyways, far be it for me to try to be helpful anymore if I have to deal with ungrateful people.

EDIT: And speaking of name calling, you don't have much room to talk. Calling people trolls and saying they don't know what they are talking about.
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I must admit, I read this in Kyle Busch's cry-baby voice.
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Those guys could've just attended the Ayrton Senna school of driving, but then again, who knows?

I think we're just going to have to drive a bit harder.
 
Sluffer
It's deffo down to grip and gearing, when I was in the Karting scene 10 years ago, our engines weren't the most powerful in the championship, but we won it due to gettting the set up right etc That and having a good driver int he Kart.
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The only problem is that karts don't have gearbox in GT5.
And yes, it's not power they're cheating, it's grip.
 
KB18FAN
Not a sore loser here so watch what you say. Like I said before, I could give a f less about this cart seasonal as I am not entered in it nor will I enter it. Carts are just not my thing. I investigated and came up with what I think is going on because so many people were saying these guys were cheating but coming up with nothing as to how they were supposedly cheating. So, I just went and did what they should have done in the first place. Furthermore, if you were entered into a competition and one or two people seemed to have a clear advantage, I'm sure you would want to know whats going on too, and, if you say you wouldn't, well your a liar then. It's human nature. So, before you go making off the wall comments like that, think before you speak.
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My comment was'nt aimed at you, it was aimed at the guys calling the leaders cheats when they have been clearly beaten but cannot accept it.
 
Mark
My comment was'nt aimed at you, it was aimed at the guys calling the leaders cheats when they have been clearly beaten but cannot accept it.
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Guess you mean me.

I'm sorry you feel I'm a sore loser.

I assure you I'm not, I just find the idea that 2 people are way ahead of the rest very suspicious, and if they are cheating, that sullies the competition for the rest of us.

I'm just an honest competitor dude. No need for insults. 👍
 
What's the point of replying to petty troll insults?
You have to be really ignorant not to realise or even think that top 2 are having some kind of an advantage over the rest of the field.

I mean, 2 seconds on Kart Space using karts? Try to make a 2 second difference in your hotlaps on a longer track (HSR for example) and see if you'll make it.
 
Sluffer
It's deffo down to grip and gearing, when I was in the Karting scene 10 years ago, our engines weren't the most powerful in the championship, but we won it due to gettting the set up right etc That and having a good driver int he Kart.
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If grip is the advatage that would lead you to believe its something to do with SRF. Has anyone tried doing a comparison in practice mode on Kart space with it on and off and see if the results are comparable to the differences in times on the time trial?
 
Just browsed the leaderboard again.

The #3 to #54 driver is all between 0:31.707 and 0:32.706 (1 sec)

The #1 is 0:29.994 (1.713 sec quicker than #3)

By looking on the results from previous TT's I can not find any gaps in the top 3 of almoust 2 sec.

It is is quite obvious that the top 2 is doing someting "different" than the rest of the pack.
PD should look into these times as they deviate so much from the rest.

With 50.000-100.000 participants, and so many skilled racers in GT5 it is not likely to win this TT by nearly 2 sec.
 
And again the "out of the so many playing, and only these 2 know the secret to be a second quicker than the rest of the world?" argument comes back...
 
Nismo34
And again the "out of the so many playing, and only these 2 know the secret to be a second quicker than the rest of the world?" argument comes back...
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And that's not a valid argument?
 
Tintorera
And that's not a valid argument?
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It just doesnt make sense. If they were cheating, how are they the only 2 that know? If they have a set-up that helps, how are they the only 2 that know? They are quick, but really, how they are doing it surely cant just be known to them... We've seen previous glitches. They spread like wildfire. If they are glitching, it just doesnt make sense that only 2 people out of 7,000,000 know...
 
Nismo34
And again the "out of the so many playing, and only these 2 know the secret to be a second quicker than the rest of the world?" argument comes back...
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It's a valid argument no doubt about it, out of all the TT results I've seen this one is the only one with such a large gap between the first 1 or 2 and the rest. It looks suspect & people have reacted accordingly.

I'm not for a second saying they're cheating, I'm saying it's irregular and against the odds because the higher you go up the results table the smaller the gaps get, no exceptions.
 
Nismo34
It just doesnt make sense. If they were cheating, how are they the only 2 that know? If they have a set-up that helps, how are they the only 2 that know? They are quick, but really, how they are doing it surely cant just be known to them... We've seen previous glitches. They spread like wildfire. If they are glitching, it just doesnt make sense that only 2 people out of 7,000,000 know...
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I agree with what you say about glitches/cheats spread like wildfire.
I did not state that they DID cheat/glitch, but I sait that PD should look into the top two ranikngs.

Their results are deviating from all previous TT leaderboards, on a 700m track, with only ballast and gearbox tuning available.

I'm sorry buy I'm not buying that.

PS: Both #1 and #2 have a spanish flag in the leaderboard. They could be knowing each others and "partners in crime" ;) Only specutlations ofcorse.
 
Tintorera
I agree with what you say about glitches/cheats spread like wildfire.
I did not state that they DID cheat/glitch, but I sait that PD should look into the top two ranikngs.

Their results are deviating from all previous TT leaderboards, on a 700m track, with only ballast and gearbox tuning available.

I'm sorry buy I'm not buying that.

PS: Both #1 and #2 have a spanish flag in the leaderboard. They could be knowing each others and "partners in crime" ;) Only specutlations ofcorse.
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I wasnt actually aiming it at you, it was more aimed at those that were claiming cheats. I do agree aswell, highly unlikely to gain such a gap with just gearbox and ballast, but until proof of other methods being used, there is nothing else to accuse...
 
STORSKARV
I have now checked out the first 10 replays and I see something strange. It looks like the first 4 have a massive grip. Even over the jump they are sticky to the track. Can there be something about a downforce glitch??

Normal jump - BanditKarter (6)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/kartspace.jpg

Strange "jump" - Vega_Rider
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/kartspace2.jpg
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Downforce glitch or Ballast. 2 possiblities. Neither can be proved as of yet. Just putting them on the table...
 
STORSKARV
I have now checked out the first 10 replays and I see something strange. It looks like the first 4 have a massive grip. Even over the jump they are sticky to the track. Can there be something about a downforce glitch??

Normal jump - BanditKarter (6)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/kartspace.jpg

Strange "jump" - Vega_Rider
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/kartspace2.jpg
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Almost undoubtedly ballast, as I suggested a long time ago. So I suspect that ballast and gearing are the biggest factors, but they're also likely exploiting some sort of game version glitch or managing to enable something like SFR before entering the Event...

{Cy}
 
Nismo34
And again the "out of the so many playing, and only these 2 know the secret to be a second quicker than the rest of the world?" argument comes back...
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And that's an argument?
It's a fact, not an argument.

Also, it already happen on iirc 700pp Nurburgring 24h TT (1 guy was glitching and TT got taken down) so it's not strange at all that 1 guy knows the glitch out of 100000 that play the event.
 
There is a AI bot cheat. This allows a computer controlled driver to drive anywhere in GT5 you want to use them. I've seen it in action. I dont have one, and I dont want or know where to get one but its a hack mod. The AI driver can be set to various aggression degrees. They learn circuits in 5 laps or less. They become insanely fast.
OR,,,, Maybe the leaders are just great drivers.
 
redreevos
Great contribution to the thread.

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Thanks. But really ive watched the replays and there are some very sore losers on here, just because they cannot win they have to resort to calling them cheats and there is no proof whatsover to back that statement up thus they are also contravening the AUP by not being able to back up what the say.
Hence extremely sore losers.
 
Mark
Thanks. But really ive watched the replays and there are some very sore losers on here, just because they cannot win they have to resort to calling them cheats and there is no proof whatsover to back that statement up thus they are also contravening the AUP by not being able to back up what the say.
Hence extremely sore losers.
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All you do by insulting those who accuse of 'cheating' is fuel the fire to their commentary. If you want a civilized conversation, don't invoke their presence, and discuss rationally with the rest of us how these spainards have found an advantage. Otherwise, you're just another troll.
 
STORSKARV
I have now checked out the first 10 replays and I see something strange. It looks like the first 4 have a massive grip. Even over the jump they are sticky to the track. Can there be something about a downforce glitch??

Normal jump - BanditKarter (6)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/kartspace.jpg

Strange "jump" - Vega_Rider
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/kartspace2.jpg
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Any guesses on how much ballast is on / where the ballast is positioned for Vega_Rider's kart? Can't ignore the possibility of a downforce glitch though.
 
Mark
Thanks. But really ive watched the replays and there are some very sore losers on here, just because they cannot win they have to resort to calling them cheats and there is no proof whatsover to back that statement up thus they are also contravening the AUP by not being able to back up what the say.
Hence extremely sore losers.
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It is just that only two people with the same throttle and steering inputs can take take corners about 6 MPH more. The Karts can only be tuned to a limited amount. The only thing that is possible to prove is with a very good baseline setup is that it is impossible to come within 1.5 seconds of the current top two no matter how good you are on a half a minute track.

People want fair play in sport, same goes for GT5. If the people who know this glitch or whatever they doing came and told everyone how then more respect to them even after the TT event finishes. However if they going to keep this "exploit" to themselves for only their own benefit until it gets either patched then that goes to the cheating route.
 
I guess everyone is under the illusion that adding weight hampers performance, right?
Do you actually know that adding X amount of weight to go-karts increases grip, they probably have found that magic number that gives them perfect grip. Or that number is glitched and gives them super-godlike-Chuck-Norris grip.

There's a difference between exploiting and cheating.
Exploiting is finding loop holes in the game to self benefit.
Cheating is creating the loop hole.

These guys, and every other seasonal, have done nothing but find faults within GT. To label the cheats is a bit harsh don't you think?
 
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