Koenig in GT4

[Draugen]

We're talking about Koenig, not Koenigsegg (I love typing that word! )

Koenig won't make it into GT4. RUF is considered a manufacturer, while Koenig is a Tuner. They'd need Ferrari/Lamborghini/BMW/Merc liscensing to get Koenig.

Well some where talking about the Koenigsegg....just to clear up
that they got a new faster car and not the "old" car
that everyone has tested on shows ala Top Gear.
Thx for ur concern!

 

[zoxxy]

What about koenigsegg vehicle

Koenig at least produce a range of tuned vehicles compared to koenigsegg's 1 (& half)

But the Koenigsegg has 806bhp and 900nm. That's better than all crappy Ferarri's in the world. Together.

 

[daan]

But the Koenigsegg has 806bhp and 900nm. That's better than all crappy Ferarri's in the world. Together.

KOENIG twin-turbo EVOLUTION up to 735KW / 1000 PS (986bhp) /940 NM
high-end version of the normal twin-turbo with a complete new motronic, new turbo chargers, bigger coolers and many more modifications. Reinforced gear wheels, clutch shaft, all gear shafts, modified oil-pump, bigger oil cooler
€ 68.000,–

performance:
0-100 km/h 3,4 sec.
0-200 km/h 9,8 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 10 sec.
top speed 370 km/h
driving performance depends on gear ratio

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I think I read somewhere that the Brothers Koenig were the first to modify a stock-standard Ferrari to over 1000bhp ... why, I don't know, but clearly someone out there has too much money if they can afford that.

But I'd still prefer Koenigseggs proper Ferraris over Koenigs. Hmmmmm, Koenigsegg CCR vs Volkswagon W12. INteresting match-up ...

 

[den brakke]

But the Koenigsegg has 806bhp and 900nm. That's better than all crappy Ferarri's in the world. Together.

I prefer handeling above HP, and i dont think that it's beter than a Carrera GT or an Enzo.

 

[kinigitt]

Though this thread is based on speculation, the inclusion of Koenig in Pro race driver 2 bodes well for GT4. If Code-Masters are able to work the licensing to obtain quasi Ferraris, I’m sure that there is a reasonable chance that PD may work a little magic. After all, KY has not been averse to pushing licensing into grey areas in the past with the likes of the nomad Diablo and RUFs.

Here is the PRD 2 description of their "non-Ferrari":
'Based on a famous Italian supercar(testarossa/512) the Competition 2002 features a twin-turbocharged, flat-12, 5-litre engine. With the maximum tuning applied, it can put out over 1000 bhp.'

Edit: appears that Koenig C62 (Porsche 962C) is also licensable. Fingers crossed then…

Considering they have Spoon under the manufacturers name on the Spoon motorsports cars in previous GT games, maybe they could work those Koenigs in under the tuner's name.

I think RUF is considered a full fledged manufacturer rather than a tuner shop, so they've been able to get away with that one.

If they can work their way around the licensing, it would be sweet to have the other famous tuners in GT4, like Techart, Gemballa, Roock, Dauer, Hamann, Strosek, RINNSPEED, and the like.

Why stop at Porsche and Ferrari tuners? They're the least likely to be featured, so we might as well hope for some tuners that work with cars that are already licensed!

Just think, Brabus, AC shnitzer, Carlsson, Kleemann, ABT, Oettinger, Alpina...Man I would buy 3 copies of GT4 if they had those great tuners.

Actually, all I need is a mark V golf. I'll take it from there.

 

[Dev_Zero]

Koenigsegg CCR vs Volkswagon W12. INteresting match-up ...

No it isn't really. The Volkswagen is a high end sports car (don't shoot me for this comment, just the technology/parts reveal all). The Koenigsegg is a high end supercar. Race them and the Volkswagen will be put to such shame, it will selfdestruct.

 

[kinigitt]

No it isn't really. The Volkswagen is a high end sports car (don't shoot me for this comment, just the technology/parts reveal all). The Koenigsegg is a high end supercar. Race them and the Volkswagen will be put to such shame, it will selfdestruct.

the W12 is one sexy beast however.

 

[Cosmic]

the W12 is one sexy beast however.

And it looks if it has a weight with over 3000kg :]

 

[Dev_Zero]

the W12 is one sexy beast however.

Yes, I have to admit it looks pretty good. But just as the name suggests, it is driven by the Audi/Volkswagen W12, that you also find in the A8/Phaeton. It is a big lump of steel, and it's lazy as an engine can be. You really have to floor it to get some performance. It isn't made for a supercar.

 

[kinigitt]

Yes, I have to admit it looks pretty good. But just as the name suggests, it is driven by the Audi/Volkswagen W12, that you also find in the A8/Phaeton. It is a big lump of steel, and it's lazy as an engine can be. You really have to floor it to get some performance. It isn't made for a supercar.

isnt it a rather compact lump of steel?

I thought the whole purpose of the "W" configuration was to save space. It's a little too complex and restrictive for big power, but I wouldn't call it "lazy".

I do agree that it is not a supercar engine though.

 

[RedOak]

koenigsegg vs Zonda is an interesting match... but then again, that's the clicher too...

 

[kinigitt]

koenigsegg vs Zonda is an interesting match... but then again, that's the clicher too...

koenigsegg vs. carrera gt vs. enzo vs. saleen s7 vs. ford gt vs. pagani zonda S.

hmmm... sounds alot like a PGR2 race.

 

[RedOak]

LOL

hmmm Ford Gt... *runs to bathroom*

 

[Dev_Zero]

koenigsegg vs. carrera gt vs. enzo vs. saleen s7 vs. ford gt vs. pagani zonda S.

hmmm... sounds alot like a PGR2 race.

Add the latest spec Spyker and the Merc SLR and it's almost perfect . We just need to remove the enzo (god I hate that car) and the Ford GT (I like the car, but it's performance isn't THAT good)

 

[kinigitt]

Add the latest spec Spyker and the Merc SLR and it's almost perfect . We just need to remove the enzo (god I hate that car) and the Ford GT (I like the car, but it's performance isn't THAT good)

the enzo belongs in the pack, even if it is the ugly duckling. But then again, the SLR isn't exactly elegant looking either.

A Spyker, along with a Diablo GT and TVR speed 12 would put icing all over that delicious cake. That is, if it weren't missing the main ingredient: The Mclaren F1 road car.

The Ford GT can run with the pack, albeit a few paces behind on the straights.

 

[hellnback]

Ford GT is surprisingly quick around a track, which really shouldn't be a surprise as the whole original design was EXACTLY for that purpose, and with suspension and tyre improvements (amoungst everything else too) over the last 40 years, it's only natural that it has improved.

The Ford GT was originally spec'd at 195mph top speed, but in some tests it was recorded at 212mph, thus the quoted top speed was 'bumped' to 205mph.

Around the Test Track on Top Gear, the only cars quicker are the Carrera GT & Mercedes-McLaren SLR. I'm not sure if this was the final production version though.

Thus I think it deserves to be in that company...

 

[Dev_Zero]

It's the cornering where it lacks though.

 

[RedOak]

Yeah, like all american cars... heavy understeer in most cases

 

[kinigitt]

It's quite competent in the corners. Everything I've read about it indicates that it is a stellar performer.

It does have a slow steering ratio and mild understeer, but that doesn't mean it can't run the numbers.

 

[Dev_Zero]

It's quite competent in the corners. Everything I've read about it indicates that it is a stellar performer.

It does have a slow steering ratio and mild understeer, but that doesn't mean it can't run the numbers.

True, but the cars mentioned earlier are very high class cars even compared to the Ford GT. I've always thought of the Ford GT as a bit of a budget performer, with all the other cars it's more like money isn't an object, it's all about the cars.

 

[hellnback]

Budget performer??? We call it 'Bang For Your Bucks'.

 

[Dev_Zero]

Budget performer??? We call it 'Bang For Your Bucks'.

lol, true, but in that aspect it cannot be compared to the other cars as they purely consist of high performance parts.

 

[hellnback]

Top Gear Lap times...

1 min 19.8 secs - Porsche CGT
1 min 20.9 secs - Mercedes-McLaren SLR
1 min 21.9 secs - Ford GT
1 min 22.3 secs - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
1 min 22.3 secs - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
1 min 23.7 secs - Lamborghini Murcielago (2nd run)
1 min 23.8 secs - Pagani Zonda C12 S
1 min 23.9 secs - Koenigsegg CC8S

Some very expensive equipment there when compared to the Ford GT, and it hasn't performed too badly either, heck I'll buy two Ford GT's and with the savings, I'll convert one of them into a track car by stripping it, improving suspension and getting a few more horses etc...

The other I'll keep as what??? A 'run of the mill day to day car'??? Don't think so, not with that performance as standard...

 

[Dev_Zero]

If you watched Top Gear you'll also know that you can't use the Ford GT as a day to day car as the gas tank is too little and it uses too much

 

[hellnback]

I don't need luggage!!! I'll convert that space...

Anyhows we better get the conversation on track, Koenig remember...

While if Koenig were to appear as quasi-Ferrari's, much in the same way that Ruf gives us access to Porsche's (that's my opinion, before people flip over what I just said) all well and good.

But for me, these two manufacturers/tuners (whatever camp you consider them in) in no way beats actually having Ferrari & Porsche in the game.

 

[Dev_Zero]

Ruf is more of a manufacturer of porsches. Koenig modify cars, but not enough to claim the rights. If Koenig Ferraris were in the game, it would be useless for all you ferrari fans, as they don't look like the originals, and certainly don't handle like one. What you have, is a car that started out as a ferrari, but lost the "emotion" as soon as Koenig layed their hands on it. The "emotion" is one thing that is hard to describe, especially when discussing a video game.

 

[hellnback]

Still I wouldn't mind blasting a quasi-F40 around the Nurb'...

 

[Nemo2]

this doesnt sound like a rumor because they did the same thing with RUF and porsche. I almost shat my pants whenI saw this. Thanks for the info, keep it up!

 

[Dev_Zero]

this doesnt sound like a rumor because they did the same thing with RUF and porsche. I almost shat my pants whenI saw this. Thanks for the info, keep it up!

Remember though, that Koenig is not a manufacturer of Ferraris. PD probably need the Ferrari license for those. If Koenig is in the game, it will probably mean Mercedes and BMW models. If it's in, there is absolutely no guarantee that there will be a ferrari (or more)