Lamborghini Aventador

[CCXRacer]

Well, I'm not comparing the two. I just don't buy the argument that car makers are somehow constrained into building 3800 lb. cars because that's the only way to comply with safety standards. Could Lamborghini (or Ferrari...) build a sub-2800 lb. car that's cat-quick and also meets safety requirements? Sure. I just don't think they want to. All other things being equal, a lighter car will do virtually everything better than a heavier one, but horsepower creates bragging rights in a way low weight does not. It seems the path of least resistance is just adding tons of HP and then figuring out a way to make it handle. The Veyron is the epitome of this... except it doesn't handle well at all.

Ah alright I understand. I agree with what you're saying. What I wish Is these modern supercars would have an additional "trim level" or something of that sort without all the electronic aids. Basically to an extent a stripped out drivers version, that would be cool.

 

[TankAss95]

TankAss, why are you so anti supercar? It's incredibly quick, beautiful, and sounds nice. What's the problem?

It may look nice, but it's incredibly heavy, sounds similar to previous lambo's and relies too much on electrical aids. To me it achieves nothing, it moves the sports car game on none.
It seems like car manufacturers are forgetting the golden rule: weight reduction. The most efficient way of making a car better is shedding weight. I fail to understand why modern supercars, even with all their fancy carbon fibre constructions are so darn heavy (yes I fail).
I'd like to see more super cars weighing under the magic tonne (ton?) while relying less on power and control systems alone to provide impressive performance.
Bring me an accurate model of a Caterham, Aerial Atom, or ROC car to try out in GT5 instead PD, please.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

It seems that everybody has forgotten that any Lamborghini's selling point is pure emotion and adrenaline! The rush when you mash that sucker to the floor and feel the 12 cylinders behind you rev up to the point where they scream, thrusting you forward like a breath exhaled from a raging bull. It's not all about being featherweight, if it handles better than it's predecessors it's fine. And all that weight comes from the power that it has, if you want a lightweight car go buy a Lotus with a TOYOTA engine in it and reach a top speed of 150 MPH.

 

[Da-Bomber]

They should at least get the Reventon in.

 

[Aaronrray]

There is a production car that exists in this world with a 1.0+ power/weight ratio, the Catterham levante

 

[TankAss95]

There is a production car that exists in this world with a 1.0+ power/weight ratio, the Catterham levante

Now that's a pure driving machine!
I guess some people prefer their cars heavier...

 

[FosterG]

Just got going with Forza4 today for a bit, have not driven the Aventador yet but the Sesto Elemento is pretty sweet. I really hope that these are added to GT5, the sound of the Sesto is delicious. I hope that my favorite game (gt5) is taking note.

 

[Bigbazz]

I'd like the car, it isnt some amazing wonder machine though, It was slower than the Mclaren MP4-12c at the top gear track. Nice car, but only one of many amazing supercars that are available at this moment.

 

[keldabest13]

I think we all agree that this car looks sweet!

 

[Chemenu]

It may look nice, but it's incredibly heavy, sounds similar to previous lambo's and relies too much on electrical aids. To me it achieves nothing, it moves the sports car game on none.
It seems like car manufacturers are forgetting the golden rule: weight reduction. The most efficient way of making a car better is shedding weight. I fail to understand why modern supercars, even with all their fancy carbon fibre constructions are so darn heavy (yes I fail).

Why are most modern supercars so heavy?
Because they aren't primary built to break records. It's all about compromises.
You have to think about who's the target audience for this cars.
It's not race drivers which can handle a 700 HP car without electronic aids and don't give **** about comfort.
Just take a look at the interior of modern Ferraris, Lamborghinis & co. and you will understand why they are so heavy.

 

[Aaronrray]

Why are most modern supercars so heavy?
Because they aren't primary built to break records. It's all about compromises.
You have to think about who's the target audience for this cars.
It's not race drivers which can handle a 700 HP car without electronic aids and don't give **** about comfort.
Just take a look at the interior of modern Ferraris, Lamborghinis & co. and you will understand why they are so heavy.

The McLaren f1 was built specifically to be comfortable while you out perform anything that is on the track...

 

[goukipau]

Why does Forza get the Aventador but GT5 doesn't?

why do French have the Eiffeltower and the Dutch don't?

 

[Chemenu]

The McLaren f1 was built specifically to be comfortable while you out perform anything that is on the track...

By saying comfortable you mean the (road) handling, don't you?
I was refering to the interior. Compare the interior of the F1 and, for example, a modern Ferrari and you will understand what I wanted to say.
The F1 has very basic interior, everything lightweight. Only a bucket seat and steering wheel, no comfort at all.^^
Modern cars have electrically adjustable seats, air con, sound and navigation system, cupholder and so on. That all adds a lot of weight to the cars. They are not designed as flat-footed as the McLaren F1 was.

 

[Aaronrray]

But why need all of that stuff? The McLaren F1 is literally built around its driver. If you are tall and thin, the steering wheel and seat would be positioned for the best possible comfort and drivability. Who needs power seats when your seat is made for you.

 

[mattythedog]

But why need all of that stuff? The McLaren F1 is literally built around its driver. If you are tall and thin, the steering wheel and seat would be positioned for the best possible comfort and drivability. Who needs power seats when your seat is made for you.

That's sort of what he was saying. New supercars are heavier because they have nicer interiors, electronics etc. The F1 didn't have those so it was a lot lighter, as were a lot of super back then.

 

[TheCracker]

It may look nice, but it's incredibly heavy, sounds similar to previous lambo's and relies too much on electrical aids. To me it achieves nothing, it moves the sports car game on none.
It seems like car manufacturers are forgetting the golden rule: weight reduction. The most efficient way of making a car better is shedding weight. I fail to understand why modern supercars, even with all their fancy carbon fibre constructions are so darn heavy (yes I fail).
I'd like to see more super cars weighing under the magic tonne (ton?)

At 1575kgs, the Aventador is lighter than both the Murcielago (1650) and Diablo (1625).

A V12 mid-engined supercar, is never going to be light in the same way a Caterham or Elise are. The Aventador proves that even with an incredibly light CF chassis and body, a V12 engine with all the running gear, transmission and cooling radiators, along with the necessary massive wheels and tyres and brakes, is never going to be 'light'. An '80's Testarossa weighed only 60kgs less and that didn't have AWD.

 

[Christoforo]

So what this tread is saying is that anything heavier than a caterham or mclaren f1 isn't worth driving.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

so what this tread is saying is that anything heavier than a caterham or mclaren f1 isn't worth driving.

bingo.

 

[Aaronrray]

Most Paganis are under 1300kg and have luxury interiors

 

[HAL20XX]

Just got going with Forza4 today for a bit, have not driven the Aventador yet but the Sesto Elemento is pretty sweet. I really hope that these are added to GT5, the sound of the Sesto is delicious. I hope that my favorite game (gt5) is taking note.

I was much more impressed by the Sesto Elemento. The Aventador just felt too lifeless next to it. However, I do have the Sesto modified so I need to go back and race them stock vs. stock.

 

[Christoforo]

bingo.

Then shouldn't Ferrari, lamborghini, ect. Stop making cars because no one wants to drive them because of how heavy they are and that they have no character.

 

[TankAss95]

Why are most modern supercars so heavy?
Because they aren't primary built to break records. It's all about compromises.
You have to think about who's the target audience for this cars.
It's not race drivers which can handle a 700 HP car without electronic aids and don't give **** about comfort.
Just take a look at the interior of modern Ferraris, Lamborghinis & co. and you will understand why they are so heavy.

That's the difference between a true supercar and a true sports car. A true sports car compromises a minimal level of comforts to provide the best performance, while a true supercar provides plenty of padding to prevent your ass from getting sore, with compromised performance.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

At 1575kgs, the Aventador is lighter than both the Murcielago (1650) and Diablo (1625).

A V12 mid-engined supercar, is never going to be light in the same way a Caterham or Elise are. The Aventador proves that even with an incredibly light CF chassis and body, a V12 engine with all the running gear, transmission and cooling radiators, along with the necessary massive wheels and tyres and brakes, is never going to be 'light'. An '80's Testarossa weighed only 60kgs less and that didn't have AWD.

The F1 had a V12 engine and it weight much less.

But some have already mentioned it, Lamborghini/Ferrari etc don`t design cars to be as fast around a race track as possible.
First of all, designing and manufacturing such a vehicle would be very very expensive.
Second, sadly most owners of new Ferraris don`t care about how innovative or how much the car is capable of. The car is just a status object and 95% of them won`t be raced on tracks. Plus most of them aren`t race drivers... Ever seen the video of how a owner of his new 458 italia was to dumb to get first gear into the car and almost stalled it?

Most Paganis are under 1300kg and have luxury interiors

A Pagani costs 2-3 times as much as a 458 Italia.

 

[HAL20XX]

Autoblog just posted this Aventador feature on Fifth Gear:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/04/fifth-gear-hot-shoe-tiff-needell-takes-issue-with-lamborg/

 

[peter_vod69]

Ok I've read more than enough crap in this thread. "Experts" in here bleating about how Ferrari and Lamborghini products aren't fast around a track and that if it isn't a 17 year old once-was or some stripped out, cottage built buzzbox with all the ride quality of a Roman chariot then it isn't worth driving! For pity's sake open your eyes people! The 458 Italia, for example, would absolutely murder a McLaren F1 around a track, to say nothing of the fact that it would be much easier to drive, more predictable and more comfortable. The Aventador rights the wrongs of previous V12 Lamborghini products (lack of chassis rigidity, excessive weight-shift from the heavy V12) while retaining all of the character and drama. Lotus Elise/Exige/Caterham etc, they are all about as civilised and comfortable as camping out in the middle of Waziristan. They are cars after different purposes, so comparing them is ridiculous and stupid. Finally, yes the McLaren F1 was a hell of an achievement, but it was flawed. Ask Jeremy Clarkson, and for all the rubbish people say about him, he is probably closer in driving ability and "common-man" tastes than most of the other ex(and part time)racers who whipped themselves into a frenzy about your sainted supercar. And the Pagani, as much as I love it, is extremely expensive and has a clutch which would last about ten seconds in normal driving.

 

[Kesl]

Speaking of which, how about that Ferrari F40. Man, now that was a ______Car.

 

[Kesl]

Autoblog just posted this Aventador feature on Fifth Gear:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/04/fifth-gear-hot-shoe-tiff-needell-takes-issue-with-lamborg/

Is this not blasphemy? Are you a god fearing man? Do you not think that the devil burn your nose hairs one by one for this, this, uncouth behavior?

 

[TankAss95]

So what this tread is saying is that anything heavier than a caterham or mclaren f1 isn't worth driving.

No. Anything heavier isn't a true sports car...

 

[Scotracer]

No. Anything heavier isn't a true sports car...

It's a Supercar, not a sports car. And being ~1500kg is light for a car for a 6.5 litre V12 and 4WD.

But I'm sure you've driven one to say how the extra mass affects the handling?

 

[TankAss95]

It's a Supercar, not a sports car. And being ~1500kg is light for a car for a 6.5 litre V12 and 4WD.

But I'm sure you've driven one to say how the extra mass affects the handling?

Lamborghini state that the car is a super-sports car. I can't take that seriously until it's shed some weight.

And no I have not driven one to say how the extra mass effects the handling. However, that extra mass needs computer assists to make it handle so well as it does, and that for me, is a very uncomfortable thought.