Lamborghini Aventador

[Scotracer]

How does it? Every review I've read/watched has been with people using ESP and TCS OFF and they say it handles brilliantly. Again, a modern BMW 3 Series weighs 1500kg (and even a Ford Focus is 1400kg nowadays)...it's not a lot of weight. It's 200kg LIGHTER than a GT-R for crying out loud.

 

[Christoforo]

Can we classify a smart car with a 500 hp engine a supercar then. It would be really lightweight.

 

[UnionStrike]

Kaz is looking at us oddly, and wondering why we want A vent, A door so badly.

 

[leepangfu]

Who gives a 🤬 how it should be called. It looks amazing and I bet it drives good too. I wish I could buy one but for now I can't so I hope it will be DLC for GT5 soon

 

[peter_vod69]

Who gives a 🤬 how it should be called. It looks amazing and I bet it drives good too. I wish I could buy one but for now I can't so I hope it will be DLC for GT5 soon

Exactly, they could call it a "bread and milk fetching car" and I wouldn't give two hoots. It'd be one of the most exciting bread and milk fetching cars ever.

No. Anything heavier isn't a true sports car...

Rubbish. Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish, rubbish.

 

[Spagetti69]

Kaz is looking at us oddly, and wondering why we want A vent, A door so badly.

You are bang on there. I don't think he would understand.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Can we classify a smart car with a 500 hp engine a supercar then. It would be really lightweight.

Pony car- goes faster than a base model car, cheaper than a sports car. (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger. Toyota FT-86/Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS would actually make this if it can meet it's price point)
Sports car- goes faster than base model normal car (Anything Z, Corvette)
Supercar- goes faster than a normal car, and you can't afford it (Anything Ferrari, Lambo, Pagani)
Hypercar- goes faster than a supercar, and you weren't worthy enough to be invited to own one. (Bugatti Veyron GS, Lexus LFA)
Exotic car- goes faster than all of the above, they don't make enough for you, and if you've even seen one, you should consider yourself blessed. (Lambo Reventon, Aston Martin One-77)

As with everything in life, there are exceptions to every rule. A Honda Accord can beat an 80's Ferrari 308 to 60 mph, but does that make an Accord a sports car? Does that make the 308 any less special?

Performance is just once measurement of a car, but not the end-all-to-be-all when it comes to the complete overall evaluation of the car. Magnum P.I. had a 308 in Hawaii, and the best you can do is beat him at a stop light in your Accord. Even though the performance is there, no women are gonna drop their pants for an Accord (unless you pay them).

I'd ask you to drop the topic, but to be honest, this debate started way before the first GT, and will end long after the last. However, please keep the debate to those that actually get paid to debate the topic for a living. This topic belongs in a car magazine, not on GT Planet.

 

[peter_vod69]

Why insist on all this meaningless classification?

 

[ParkourVeyron]

Hypercar- goes faster than a supercar, and you weren't worthy enough to be invited to own one. (Bugatti Veyron GS, Lexus LFA)

That's messed up:

The performance scale:

The Veyron
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The LFA

I personally don't agree with your list at all, exotics are usually just expensive Italian models. I do my list by speed:

100-150 MPH:
Muscle (Muscle meaning no electronic assistance, the car has nothing getting in the way between the engine and the wheels)
Low-end sports (The 370Z comes to mind)(Electronics OK)
Performance and 4WD I4s
150-199 MPH:
High-end sports (The CTS-V and the California come to mind)
200-220
Supercars (ZR1, 430)
220-250:
Hypercars- cars that will beat everything else (The Veyron)

 

[McClarenDesign]

Why insist on all this meaningless classification?

amen. Even car companies defy classification by developing models to fullfill niche markets. Look at the 28000 forms of SUVs out there.

 

[McClarenDesign]

That's messed up:

The performance scale:

The Veyron
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The LFA

I personally don't agree with your list at all, exotics are usually just expensive Italian models. I do my list by speed:

100-150 MPH:
Muscle (Muscle meaning no electronic assistance, the car has nothing getting in the way between the engine and the wheels)
Low-end sports (The 370Z comes to mind)(Electronics OK)
Performance and 4WD I4s
150-199 MPH:
High-end sports (The CTS-V and the California come to mind)
200-220
Supercars (ZR1, 430)
220-250:
Hypercars- cars that will beat everything else (The Veyron)

I see that my point was missed, so lets try again.

Performance is not the total measure of a car! Performance is not everything!

Even though the performance gap between the veyron GS and LFA is huge, they both qualify for the class because A) you'll never own one and B) you'll never be INVITED to own one.

Reading ftw.

 

[peter_vod69]

Look at the 28000 forms of SUVs out there.

I don't want to, they are all dull, and I'd rather punch myself in the testicles repeatedly than buy one

 

[McClarenDesign]

I don't want to, they are all dull, and I'd rather punch myself in the testicles repeatedly than buy one

Same here, although my wife had to have one.

She's been regretting that choice since Day 2. Now she wants something small and fun, like a new Fiesta or Fiat 500.

Personally, I don't care what she gets as long as I get my new FRS/BRZ/FT86!

100-150 MPH:
Muscle (Muscle meaning no electronic assistance, the car has nothing getting in the way between the engine and the wheels)

So, my Ford Econoline is a Muscle Van, then?

 

[peter_vod69]

Just a heads-up Mclaren, the mods hate multi-posting here. You may want to edit your posts in future to contain multiple points/quotes.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Just a heads-up Mclaren, the mods hate multi-posting here. You may want to edit your posts in future to contain multiple points/quotes.

Been here long enough to know, so I try to keep it at a minimum. I'm sure the mods also hate when threads get off topic.
Back to the Aventador, we likely won't see it till GT6 due to the time it takes to reproduce the car in game (coding, etc), just like we didn't get any newer models in the DLC.

Like any Lambo, I'd love to toy around with the car, but it's not gonna kill me without it. I'm just thankfull PD got the Lambo license to begin with, and the Miura was the icing on the cake. Aventador? Sure, I'll take one, but no rush.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

I see that my point was missed, so lets try again.

Performance is not the total measure of a car! Performance is not everything!

Even though the performance gap between the veyron GS and LFA is huge, they both qualify for the class because A) you'll never own one and B) you'll never be INVITED to own one.

Reading ftw.

I saw that part thank you very much, and last time I checked this was a thread on the Aventador and it's performance, not the price of cars. I still don't see how the LFA would EVER be put on the same level as the Veyron, huge gap in both performance and price.

 

[Grayfox]

If 3400lbs is heavy and no one likes it.

Answer this:

Why do some people like NASCAR?

Carbureted engines and need to weight what 3400lbs.

That is very old and heavy but it works.

 

[peter_vod69]

If 3400lbs is heavy and no one likes it.

Answer this:

Why do some people like NASCAR?

Carbureted engines and need to weight what 3400lbs.

That is very old and heavy but it works.

Not sure but I'd reckon it involves copious amounts of Budweiser.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

Never really liked Lamborghini, but this Aventador does look and sound intense. I don't much care for the TGTT lap times, but I do want to see it stretch its legs out in Nurb. I wanna see how it does on real track with different corner elements and terrain - especially against the Corvette ZR1 and Viper ACR. But something tells me it won't be focused enough to beat their times.

 

[Grayfox]

Well the viper and the ZR-1 are RWD so their will be some tail happyness from both of them, Aventador is MAWD(Mid-Ship All Wheel Drive)

 

[TankAss95]

When it does get to heavy cars, I prefer Ferrari. Bring on the new Enzo!

 

[iamsupernasty]

That's messed up:

The performance scale:

The Veyron
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The LFA

I personally don't agree with your list at all, exotics are usually just expensive Italian models. I do my list by speed:

100-150 MPH:
Muscle (Muscle meaning no electronic assistance, the car has nothing getting in the way between the engine and the wheels)
Low-end sports (The 370Z comes to mind)(Electronics OK)
Performance and 4WD I4s
150-199 MPH:
High-end sports (The CTS-V and the California come to mind)
200-220
Supercars (ZR1, 430)
220-250:
Hypercars- cars that will beat everything else (The Veyron)

This list is sooo screwed up, I don't even know where to begin.

 

[FosterG]

I was much more impressed by the Sesto Elemento. The Aventador just felt too lifeless next to it. However, I do have the Sesto modified so I need to go back and race them stock vs. stock.

The Sesto is probably my next purchase, it really looks "otherworldly".

 

[cbabb]

No they have licenses for everything in the game so far but for cars they are all individual. (likely anyways)

He's right. License granted per car.
In some cases, the automaker will give rights to all the cars for one big price.

 

[Scaff]

Been here long enough to know, so I try to keep it at a minimum.

If you've been here long enough to know, you also know that you shouldn't be doing it at all.

I'm sure the mods also hate when threads get off topic.

That depends on how far off topic, but we also hate double posting, shouting to get your point across and telling members what they should and should not be discussing, on the subject of which......

This topic belongs in a car magazine, not on GT Planet.

This is exactly the kind of discussion that belongs on GT Planet, maybe not in this section, but it certainly belongs.

Scaff

 

[TankAss95]

That's messed up:

The performance scale:

The Veyron
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The LFA

I personally don't agree with your list at all, exotics are usually just expensive Italian models. I do my list by speed:

100-150 MPH:
Muscle (Muscle meaning no electronic assistance, the car has nothing getting in the way between the engine and the wheels)
Low-end sports (The 370Z comes to mind)(Electronics OK)
Performance and 4WD I4s
150-199 MPH:
High-end sports (The CTS-V and the California come to mind)
200-220
Supercars (ZR1, 430)
220-250:
Hypercars- cars that will beat everything else (The Veyron)

I don't know about you but when I decide what category a car fits into top speed isn't such a major issue.

 

[Alex p.]

Never really liked Lamborghini, but this Aventador does look and sound intense. I don't much care for the TGTT lap times, but I do want to see it stretch its legs out in Nurb. I wanna see how it does on real track with different corner elements and terrain - especially against the Corvette ZR1 and Viper ACR. But something tells me it won't be focused enough to beat their times.

It will rape both, I'm sure of it.

 

[20832]

Lol, it's kind of an Dejà Vù here.

Who really does care about Ring Laptimes?
"Wow, my car laps the Nürburgring in under 8 Minutes!"
That doesn't make you a better driver nor does it make the car better. It's like the manufactuer are stuck in puberty.

 

[Alex p.]

Lol, it's kind of an Dejà Vù here.

Who really does care about Ring Laptimes?
"Wow, my car laps the Nürburgring in under 8 Minutes!"
That doesn't make you a better driver nor does it make the car better. It's like the manufactuer are stuck in puberty.

Everybody does. The track is perfect for showing how fast a car is.

Going by your argument there are no 100+hp cars, supercars are built for one purpose, to be driven fast that is.

 

[20832]

Where did I say that? o.O

I think a lot of people seem to forget, that the Nordschleife is just a technical race track.
A lap time/record says nothing about the car. Wow, the car is fast over the Nordschleife.

That's really great, BUT at the end the car can be rubish. Like the Gumpert Apollo. Still holds the Lap Record for Production Cars but it's almost undriveable for an unexperienced driver when it's driven hard.

For example: I own a Opel Astra OPC and get around the track in about High 8's and Low 9's, but the car could do a low 8 with a my best friend at the wheel, who has done a over 100 Laps over the track. (I did about 30 - 35)

The Nordschleife can be driven fast with any car as long as you
1. Know the track
2. Are a skillful driver
3. Know your capabilities.

The Porsche GT2 RS will never do a 7:20 with me at the wheel or with my dad at the wheel, because we are not capabale of doing this, we're not experienced enough.

And to stay On Topic. The Aventador will also do around 7:20 Min., but that is just a lap time that you and I probably will never achieve. And that's why I and everybody else shouldn't care about lap times on the Nordschleife.