New Porsche GT3

[Shoe67]

This is absolutely beautiful

 

[Blackbird.]

The most brand-loyal people I've seen in my life are Corvette and Ferrari owners. Porsche and BMW are similar in the fact that some owners are hardcore club members but most are just regular people who either wanted a Porsche or a BMW.

Pretty sure alot of Porsche owners are brand loyal.

 

[McLaren]

Pretty sure alot of Porsche owners are brand loyal.

Yes, but not really in the same sense as US guys. A lot of Porsche/Ferrari owners remain loyal in the sense that they always keep a car from the manufacturer in their garage. I've seen a couple owners go from a GT3 RS to a 997 Carrera S to a Cayman R back to a GT3 Cup car whilst the Ferrari owners tend to trade up to the newest model.

The US guys though like to outfit their homes/wardrobes with their manufacturer & really seem to have a diehard view of defending their brand against one of the other Big 3.

 

[Blackbird.]

Hmm... if trading up to the newest model every year is brand loyalty instead of what you described for the Porsche owners than I'm mistaken.

 

[Omnis]

Ferrari owners trade up to the latest and greatest because that's cheaper than fixing the car when it breaks in 3 years.

 

[McLaren]

Hmm... if trading up to the newest model every year is brand loyalty instead of what you described for the Porsche owners than I'm mistaken.

Did you not read my post, mate? I said Porsche/Ferrari owners are not brand loyal in the same sense as US guys because their loyalty usually remains with keeping a Porsche/Ferrari in the garage at all times. The difference between them is that Porsche owners will switch around with old/new cars whilst Ferrari owners typically purchase the next generation of their vehicle.

US owners who consider themselves loyal to their brand normally don't do that. They keep their same car for years at a time & will typically show off their "pride" by buying accessories for themselves or for the car.

 

[Blackbird.]

Did you not read my post, mate? I said Porsche/Ferrari owners are not brand loyal in the same sense as US guys because their loyalty usually remains with keeping a Porsche/Ferrari in the garage at all times. The difference between them is that Porsche owners will switch around with old/new cars whilst Ferrari owners typically purchase the next generation of their vehicle.

US owners who consider themselves loyal to their brand normally don't do that. They keep their same car for years at a time & will typically show off their "pride" by buying accessories for themselves or for the car.

Ah okay. My bad I misinterpreted the first post.

 

[sumbrownkid]

So why the longer wheel base? Won't that make turning a little worse off?

The only added benefit I see of a longer wheel base is more interior space.

 

[aadil717]

So why the longer wheel base? Won't that make turning a little worse off?

I'm guessing in a RR, improved stability perhaps?

 

[sumbrownkid]

I'm guessing in a RR, improved stability perhaps?

Perhaps, but also maybe they are going for a more efficient aerodynamic profile.

 

[Rykon Zero]

I really need to keep up on what's new these days. I saw one running around on Friday.

 

[TheCracker]

A longer wheel base makes a car, especially a rear drive car, more stable in quicker corners.

 

[sumbrownkid]

A longer wheel base makes a car, especially a rear drive car, more stable in quicker corners.

At the expense of overall turning radius right?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

According to the equation for moment of intertia, yes.

Also, according to this, yes:

 

[BKGlover]

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, it could be the most advanced car and make the GT-R look like a Pinto on the track, but after all these years it still doesn't LOOK different enough to pass MY eye test. Note that's my opinion and mine alone. Not a bad looking car, but it wouldn't make my cool wall.

I'd bet that when this car make it's first appearance on Top Gear, the UK one and even just pictures, Hammond will be gushing about it and Clarkson will say one or more of the following: "Porsche, the worlds laziest design studio, has unveiled a new 911." "It still looks like a flattened Beetle." "The 911 has been around for what, 50 years now? And what has changed on the exterior?"

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

What's your point? Clarkson and Hammond are both 100% predictable. They are essentially walking scripts. Don't get me wrong, I look forward to the Top Gear review of the 991, but entirely for the sake of entertainment.

I'd rather see what Tiff has to say about it....

 

[Blackbird.]

I still don't understand why people are so wrapped about how the exterior hasn't had a major revamp. We've talked about the identity of the car, the 911 is iconic and it's shape is unmistakable. Case in point I think Jaguar's major change in identity was and is horrid. I don't even recognize them anymore.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I still don't understand why people are so wrapped about how the exterior hasn't had a major revamp. We've talked about the identity of the car, the 911 is iconic and it's shape is unmistakable. Case in point I think Jaguar's major change in identity was and is horrid. I don't even recognize them anymore.

Because people like to be bane and nitpick.

Porsche has to keep the the overall shape the same, as it is not a 911 if they completely change it. That's their pride and joy, and the face of the company.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I still don't understand why people are so wrapped about how the exterior hasn't had a major revamp. We've talked about the identity of the car, the 911 is iconic and it's shape is unmistakable. Case in point I think Jaguar's major change in identity was and is horrid. I don't even recognize them anymore.

I agree wholeheartedly. The 911 is an icon, and icons=sales. The 911 may seem boring to some, but to others it is unmistakeable. Lets face it: you'll never mistake it for something else.

I also agree about Jaguar, although their design language recently is a bit more to my liking. I'm especially looking forward to the F-type, it promises to be gorgeous.

 

[squirlybmx]

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, it could be the most advanced car and make the GT-R look like a Pinto on the track, but after all these years it still doesn't LOOK different enough to pass MY eye test. Note that's my opinion and mine alone. Not a bad looking car, but it wouldn't make my cool wall.

I'd bet that when this car make it's first appearance on Top Gear, the UK one and even just pictures, Hammond will be gushing about it and Clarkson will say one or more of the following: "Porsche, the worlds laziest design studio, has unveiled a new 911." "It still looks like a flattened Beetle." "The 911 has been around for what, 50 years now? And what has changed on the exterior?"

I respect your opinion as it is just that, an opinion. But if you're one of those people who takes Top Gear UK car reviews seriously, then please never actually try to have a conversation regarding cars...

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

I never understood the flattened beetle comments, that car looks nothing like a VW bug, except for sharing the circular headlights.
In that case, a lot of cars surely look like bugs.


The new 911 is beautiful, and I wish I could afford it.

 

[Blackbird.]

I never understood the flattened beetle comments, that car looks nothing like a VW bug

I agree

 

[BKGlover]

I respect your opinion as it is just that, an opinion. But if you're one of those people who takes Top Gear UK car reviews seriously, then please never actually try to have a conversation regarding cars...

Take Clarkson serious? I'm not sure that's possible. The TG boys make valid points at least, but you HAVE to take tidbits out of their reviews as they are routinely over the top.

No, my issue with the 911 and Porsche in general actually is that they really don't seem to WANT to change anything, and to a point I get it, but then you park next to a Boxter or, even moreso, a Cayman. There are minor differences to be sure, but to me it isn't a 911 shape, it's a Porsche coupe shape.

On that, though, I have no doubt that it will be an extrodinary machine, and an incredible race car. However, I live in Texas, specifically an area where throwing open gravel into a pot-hole is seen as satisfactory, barely go anywhere worthy of driving a Porsche, AND as I'd be spending well over $100k on it, I'd have to do a LOT of convincing to myself to take it on a track where it could actually be driven as was intended.

Also, what are they planning with that wing setup? It looks like a standard wing bolted onto the..... is it still a 'Whale Tail' or would it be a 'Duck Bill'?

EDIT- I see a very slight beetle resemblence, but I don't see enough to use the joke myself. All I know is that apparently Hammond can't stand it, hense why it is a running gag on the show.