Nissan 450Z... Fake or ?

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R32 also had a V-Spec II option in 1994, the last of the R32 GTR's.
 
Young_Warrior
Yeah but skip cars arent like candy. They are expensive so usually people buy one or two and then stick with those for a couple of years. The cayman and boxster are basically the same thing and the gt2 is just a hopped up version of the 911 hence its real name is 911 gt2.
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Well, there's a point there... sports cars ARE like candy. The more flavors, the better. If I were rich enough to buy a 911, I'd be agonizing over the choice. A Boxster would appeal to someone who wants the wind in their hair, a Cayman would appeal to someone like me, a hardcore race fanatic. The 911 would appeal to the status-inclined, while a 911 GT2 is for the hardcore enthusiast who thinks he's better than anyone else.

I personally wouldn't want a 450Z (if they actually built it... actually, some aftermarket specialists have done it, so it's not a farfetched idea), but some people would. And people would buy it.

Sports cars don't sell on a purely practical basis, and they're often not the owner's only car. The more choices you give the rich, the more chances they'll buy ALL of them.
 
Maybe they will give extra luxury's, give the Z more class, fit the VK45DE (4.5L V8) engine in it, brand it as Infiniti and sell it as a competitor to the Lexus SC430. Haha I doubt it.

The new Infiniti Z45 :lol:.
 
Hiya! :D :O :lol: Meow! (='.'=)

I think that 450Z looks great! :crazy: 👍

I think that if it going to be made, it should have at least 375 HP because it shouldn't get in the way of GTR's 450HP(rumor). The GTR should be Nissan/Infiniti's flagship car so thats another reason why I think this 450Z should have less HP to begin with. :O
 
And to clear up any misconception about market infringement... they COULD make the top Z as powerful as the top GTR. They're aimed at different markets, just like the Skyline GTR and the 300ZX were... one was the ultimate sportscar, one was the ultimate grandtourer... at least, according to Nissan.

The later generation Z's are all about dirty power, musclecar fun and rear-wheel drive dynamics . The GTR's were all about maximum point-to-point speed.

I doubt there'll be a 450Z, but it could happen... Though I'd rather they made a 200Z or 250Z with a lighter chassis instead.
 
Young_Warrior
Now it realy is a question of whats the point with the GTR proto around the corner.
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easy, there is no point
*shoots down rumor*

c'mon guys, magazines need to stop these "artist's interpretations" based on false information!

for example, look at all the fake gtr pics floating around. only 2 renditions are official nissan images. the concept and proto, everything in between is pure speculation! same goes for the toyota "supra/4000gt/whatever you want to call it." only thing official from toyota is the lexus lf-a concept.

ok, enough ranting...
 
McLaren'sAngel
Hiya! :D :O :lol: Meow! (='.'=)

I think that 450Z looks great! :crazy: 👍

I think that if it going to be made, it should have at least 375 HP because it shouldn't get in the way of GTR's 450HP(rumor). The GTR should be Nissan/Infiniti's flagship car so thats another reason why I think this 450Z should have less HP to begin with. :O
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Finally, someone comments on horsepower.

Frankly, I think the 450Z will need at least 400hp, since it needs to at least draw even with what will be its main competitor in North America, the mighty C6 Corvette. But, this shouldn't be a problem for Nissan; they know how to make good engines.

As for the handling, it should be comprable to the 350Z at the very least. But, they should improve it in order to compete with the Corvette. The 350Z has good handling, but its certainly not as good as the Vette. Nissan needs to address this issue if they want the 450Z to be a great sports car.

But, if they want to go the muscle car route and keep the handling around where it is, they will need to have at least 450hp in order to beat the Vette in acceleration.

Overall, I like the idea of a 450Z. I think it could make a great competitor to the Corvette. But, Nissan will really have to make one helluva car to make something as good as the Vette.
 
Man, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to call BS on this. SO unlikely. Yeah, the V8 will fit without a lot of workover, but Nissan is pretty nervous about the worldwide sales of the GTR--that's why they haven't sold it worldwide before. There's no way they'll release something that will cannibalize their GTR, especially before it comes out.

That kind of strategy is fine for Porsche to use--the incremental cost to slap a turbo or some CF parts on a car is less than the incremental benefit they get from getting a little more $$$ from selling a GT2 or Turbo instead of a base 911, so its worth it to them. Just like it would be worth it to nissan to lose some 350Z sales to a more expensive 450Z, sine the extra money is more than the extra cost (since they're basically the same car, or at least the same base). The GTR is a completely different car, and so cannibalization WOULD be a problem, especially as they try to build hype for the car--they'd take the wind out of their own sails.
 
Isn't a Vette way more expensive than a Z anyway? Presumedly more expensive than even a V8 Z? I don't see these cars as competitors really. They are so different stylistically anyway so they appeal to different types of folk.

However, Josh is right I really don't see Nissan actually going ahead with a V8 'Z' - especially if it messes with the GTR's limelight.


Edit: I'm Aussie so know nothing about Vettes or US prices. :lol:
 
A vette is about 10K more then a 350z. A 450z would probably be priced ~45K. I can't remember exactly what I've heard but that would seriously under cut the gtr while offering a good package.

Nissan would only release it if the gtr didn't go world wide or if the gtr had a very short run.
 
A V8 would definitely cost Vette money. I don't know if Nissan would be willing to go there, but it's a neat idea.

Also, if the GTR is going to be a limited production model, they'll need all the parts sharing they can get to make it cost effective. Think about it:

chassis - shared with 350Z or G35 sedan?
drivetrain - shared with G35x
engine - shared with ???

So basically, you have a V8 GT car, then an AWD GTR with a twin turbo version of said V8.

IF (and I do mean IF) they do produce a 450Z (I'd lay bets on a 400Z, though. :scared: ), you're looking at no more than 350 hp maximum, with the twin turbo version of the engine in the GTR putting down 500 hp. But since this is all speculation, I could just be blowing wind. :lol:
 
You don't need to develop a 450Z to have something to share an engine with. They could use the Titans HUGE 5.6 liter monster (which I believe, incidentally, is only produced in the states for the Titan), or the other 4.5 liter V8 that is in a lot of the toher sport utes and the M45. Wait!! Is that where they got the name 450Z? By golly, it just might be!

Of course, that engine only puts out 335 hp. They'd have to play with it rather extensively to get it up into the 400-450 hp range. And that probably means forced induction or more displacement than that--I can't think of any V8 that is that small that puts out more than about 380 hp. And Aston's Vantage is slightly more expensive (triple the cost) than the 450Z would be. And if we're at that point, I think they'd just TT something--like they're gonna do with the GTR.

I think this is all a pipe dream.
 
skicrush
Of course, that engine only puts out 335 hp. They'd have to play with it rather extensively to get it up into the 400-450 hp range. And that probably means forced induction or more displacement than that.
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It makes 340hp in the Q45. And, all of the cars that currently use the 4.5L are more luxury oriented vehicles. Some simple tweaks to the engine (heads, cams, exhaust, VTC) could turn it from a mildly powerful luxury V8 into a good V8 for a luxury sports car. They could easilly get that thing up to the 380-400hp range. That would be a nice boost from the V6. And all that without forced induction.

I'm still torn on this car though. I'd love to see it. It would be a nice option to the 350Z. But in all honesty, if this thing does ever show up, I think it would be better as an Infiniti. A G45 Coupe. That would sell better to me. Leave the sporty, performance minded 350Z and GT-R to Nissan. And let Infiniti have the V8 cars.

That would complete the line a little better, and would probably go over better with Infiniti. Not sure people want to be spending $40k+ on a Nissan. But, an Infiniti at that price would be easy. Then, also, they would have a car that could possibly compete with the new M3 when it shows as well. The M3 is supposed to have like 425hp or so. So, if a G45 Coupe showed up with close to 400, it might get some buyers from BMW. Who knows.

Hilg
 
This idea is enticing, but a 1.0-Liter jump? An 8-cylinder in a Z car...??

I dunno... :indiff:

Anyway, I don't think this would "take the wind out of the GTR's sail," so to speak...it seems like the 350Z hasn't been as successful as previous Z's, and I imagine an engine change won't completely rectify that problem. Also, the Z lineage and Skyline lineage attract different crowds, and I'm sure there are enough Skyline fans out there who simply wouldn't care about the bargain that would be the 450Z. Besides, the Z has almost always been "the poor man's sportscar"...
 
Wolfe2x7
...it seems like the 350Z hasn't been as successful as previous Z's, and I imagine an engine change won't completely rectify that problem.
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There is no problem with the 350Z. Its one of the best selling Z ever. And since its release, its been the best, or 2nd best at worst, selling sports car in the US. You have to remember, the older Z's weren't real huge sellers. In the 35 or so years that the Z has been around, it only sold about 1.25 million of them. But, in the short amount of time that the 350Z has been around, its already sold well over 150,000 cars. The 350Z has no problems with sales right now.

Hilg
 
Considering the Z is already a porker, that's nothing a little aluminum and suspension tuning won't rectify.

JNasty's right, the Z is selling like hotcakes... relatively. And considering the platform and engines are shared with high volume models, the return on investment for Nissan is even sweeter.

I'd had my doubts about Nissan's new engines (personal fan of stupidly strong turbo blocks), but they make sense, economically.

Onikaze
Ever heard of a Ferrari?

Honest question.
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I think he means V8s that don't cost an arm, a leg, a kidney and a liver. :lol:
 
JNasty4G63
There is no problem with the 350Z. Its one of the best selling Z ever. And since its release, its been the best, or 2nd best at worst, selling sports car in the US. You have to remember, the older Z's weren't real huge sellers. In the 35 or so years that the Z has been around, it only sold about 1.25 million of them. But, in the short amount of time that the 350Z has been around, its already sold well over 150,000 cars. The 350Z has no problems with sales right now.

Hilg
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I stand corrected. :lol:

By "it seems like it hasn't been as successful," I meant, "I barely ever see them on the road." :)
 
Same here... but all six (yes, just six... this is a small market) sent to the Philippines officially have been snapped up, and there have been sales of at least another half-dozen or a dozen through the gray market. Seems people only buy them for weekends or coffee trips here. :(
 
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If this car does come out, would it be bigger than the previous 350Z? :odd:Its funny how the Z lines would go from small to big. Everything in it is getting bigger every new generation. :nervous:
 
The picture shown (which I think the whole 450Z thing is BS) shows the same body as 350Z so I doubt it would get much bigger.
 

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