Nissan 450Z... Fake or ?

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VIPERGTSR01
The picture shown (which I think the whole 450Z thing is BS) shows the same body as 350Z so I doubt it would get much bigger.

Actually the Z in that drawing features a Z32 rear end, with very little rear overhang.
 
Honestly, a 450Z is a good way for Nissan to hedge their bets in case the GTR doesn't work out in the states.

Remember the reason the Z went away the first time - Americans saw a big pricetag on a hi-tech, turbocharged Japanese car and thought "Sheesh, for that kind of money I can get a Corvette".

REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT THE C4 CORVETTE WAS AN INFERIOR CAR TO THE Z32 300ZX TURBO.

Every time a high-dollar sports car comes to the states, it has to fight with the hometeam Corvette, and because Chevy has done so well giving the Corvette a mystique of "Every Man's Dream Car" in the American population, the Vette has an unfair advantage.

The GTR is going to have a lot of dedicated sheetmetal, a dedicated engine and drivetrain, and dedicated electronics. That's a lot of stuff that adds to exclusivity, but also to price.

The early to mid-90's were a big lesson to the Japanese about the power of a car being things like a "status symbol" and "icon". Corvette rode that horse and a flexi-flyer chassis to outlast the 300ZX, RX7, 3000GT VR4, and Toyota Supra long enough for engineers at GM to give the car world class engineering.

The company that fell hardest while learning this lesson was Honda with the NSX, which never gained the status necessary for rich guys to just want one.

See, here's how Vette sales work. Guys A and B both learn from an early age through the media and society that Corvettes are cars that rich men buy. When Guy A comes into money, he buys Corvette, so Guy B will see how rich he is without needing to know how much Guy A spent. He knows "He's made it. He bought a Vette."

The ability to sell like that, without needing real advertising, or to actually have to outdo the competition, is Corvette's biggest marketplace strength. It's something they've grown over half a century, and it's the hurdle the GTR, like the NSX, 3000GT VR4, Supra, and 300ZX, may not be able to clear.

Especially wearing a Nissan badge, as the American public is still generally not comfortable with expensive Japanese cars wearing the same badge as inexpensive Japanese cars.

If the GTR goes NSX on Nissan, then a V8 Z car, since the Z has a huge marketplace in the states and is an icon all its own (remember, Mr. K, BRE, and Datsun MADE the Z car an internationally respected sports car), would be a good way to encroach on Vette sales while not spending a lot, whilst the factory recoups the losses on the GTR project.
 
Wolfe2x7
Actually the Z in that drawing features a Z32 rear end, with very little rear overhang.

Its rear is cut off abit and squared up dont know how you say it features a Z32 rear. Anyway it still the same body just slightly modified.

reference 350Z picture from a similar angle.
http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/350Z/350Z-020.jpg



*EDIT* I just noticed that 450Z drawing features lights in the door mirrors and the Z logo on the fender are exactly the same as the 2001 Z concept.
http://www.fantasycars.com/gallery/Cars/Nissan/2001 Z Concept/zconcept_1.jpg
 
Onikaze
Ever heard of a Ferrari?

Honest question.
Good call. I was kinda sick yesterday--slept through most of my classes. That was an idiotic oversight.

That said, it still kinda makes my point, in fact, more so than having used Aston as an example. but I'm sure everyone has already reached that conclusion.
Hilg
It makes 340hp in the Q45. And, all of the cars that currently use the 4.5L are more luxury oriented vehicles. Some simple tweaks to the engine (heads, cams, exhaust, VTC) could turn it from a mildly powerful luxury V8 into a good V8 for a luxury sports car. They could easilly get that thing up to the 380-400hp range. That would be a nice boost from the V6. And all that without forced induction.

I'm still torn on this car though. I'd love to see it. It would be a nice option to the 350Z. But in all honesty, if this thing does ever show up, I think it would be better as an Infiniti. A G45 Coupe. That would sell better to me. Leave the sporty, performance minded 350Z and GT-R to Nissan. And let Infiniti have the V8 cars.

That would complete the line a little better, and would probably go over better with Infiniti. Not sure people want to be spending $40k+ on a Nissan. But, an Infiniti at that price would be easy. Then, also, they would have a car that could possibly compete with the new M3 when it shows as well. The M3 is supposed to have like 425hp or so. So, if a G45 Coupe showed up with close to 400, it might get some buyers from BMW. Who knows.

Hilg

Excellent observation. And I tend to think that Nissan could much more easily get away with something like a G45 and not lose very much at all in GTR sales. But it does still depend to a degree on how much the G45 LOOKS like the GTR.

And there is always the worry about the ZR-1 phenomenon. Chevy had to be VERY careful pricing the Z06 in the states. You could argue that they could charge as much as a Ford GT for the performance you're getting--since you're getting at least as much performance. But for a lowly chevy, they just can't do it. People wouldn't buy it. After all, it's just a "tuned" C6, right? There are mustangs made by tuners that can blow the doors off the GT. But they don't even cost double the mustang's price, let alone the 5X the GT costs.

What happens when you can TT your 450Z or G45 and get more hp than a GTR, in a car that looks relatively like the GTR, for tens of thousands less? Chevy can't sell a high-performance vette like that. And they have the "home field advantage." I'd be careful--when you start bridging the gap, the gap becomes less meaningful.
 
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Layla's Keeper makes many good points! :O 👍

I can imagine the 450Z doing well in the states if it was to be release, but GTR...I don't know. :odd:

There are probably many GTR fans but I believed that most of them can't even afford it. A 450Z would make a good alternative to the GTR for someone who either can't afford a GTR or don't want to spend 70K+ on a car.
 
If the GT-R pops up, priced less than the Z06 and manages to offer similar performance (meaning the speculation on numbers is wrong, 450 Hp+Z-Car weight ain't gonna do it) then that would probably seal the deal on the Corvette SS (a.k.a. the rumored Blue Devil) coming to market.

Remember, though the C4 sucked 12 kinds of ass, the cars before and the cars after were very good performers, the C4 just suffered from the gas crisis and a lack of competition when it was drawn up.

Oh, another tiny V-8 for a bargain, the twin Hayabusa that Radical uses doesn't cost that much does it?

Heck, a Mustang's engine is only 4.6 Liters, though the mod engines are quite large externally.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Its rear is cut off abit and squared up dont know how you say it features a Z32 rear. Anyway it still the same body just slightly modified.

reference 350Z picture from a similar angle.
http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/350Z/350Z-020.jpg



*EDIT* I just noticed that 450Z drawing features lights in the door mirrors and the Z logo on the fender are exactly the same as the 2001 Z concept.
http://www.fantasycars.com/gallery/Cars/Nissan/2001 Z Concept/zconcept_1.jpg

The rear end is squared up and that one line doesn't meet the rear corner of the car (like on a Z32), the Z33's triangular taillights are supposed to reach towards the front of the car (450Z is missing this), and the rear end tapers down in a manner similar to the Z32.
 
Wolfe2x7
The rear end is squared up and that one line doesn't meet the rear corner of the car (like on a Z32), the Z33's triangular taillights are supposed to reach towards the front of the car (450Z is missing this), and the rear end tapers down in a manner similar to the Z32.

Yes I agree I also see similarities to Z32.
 
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Aww, c'mon! You guys must put too much trust and faith in humanity to believe something like this. Let's just say that I'll believe in the creation of the 450Z once Nissan officially releases something concerning it. Other than that, it's nothing but a crappy drawing of a modified 350Z. Total B.S.

Someone should just close this thread before anyone else gets taken in by this.
 
PsychoBadBoy
Aww, c'mon! You guys must put too much trust and faith in humanity to believe something like this. Let's just say that I'll believe in the creation of the 450Z once Nissan officially releases something concerning it. Other than that, it's nothing but a crappy drawing of a modified 350Z. Total B.S.

Someone should just close this thread before anyone else gets taken in by this.

So we can't discuss the possibility of a V8 Z33, what engine it would have, how it would perform, and what would happen if it were released, just because Nissan hasn't said anything about it?

My, what a wonderful imagination you have... :lol:

I agree that the magazine article is a fake, but c'mon... :rolleyes:
 
Well, I can put my imagination to work if you'd like. Maybe we should talk about the possibility of Subaru putting in a twin turbo inline-6 because they got tired of the flat-4 they've had in there. Or maybe how they're considering turbo charging the Honda S2000. Even better, how about we talk about the possibility of Nissan reintroducing the Silvia and throwing the 4.5L in that? See, I can make crap up too.

My point? I can easily make something up and get everyone talking about it just because they're gullible. So once it's been established that the 450Z article is B.S., why continue talking about it?
 
PsychoBadBoy
Well, I can put my imagination to work if you'd like. Maybe we should talk about the possibility of Subaru putting in a twin turbo inline-6 because they got tired of the flat-4 they've had in there. Or maybe how they're considering turbo charging the Honda S2000. Even better, how about we talk about the possibility of Nissan reintroducing the Silvia and throwing the 4.5L in that? See, I can make crap up too.

My point? I can easily make something up and get everyone talking about it just because they're gullible. So once it's been established that the 450Z article is B.S., why continue talking about it?

haven't you heard of honda's new civic FC-N?
fuel cell with nos from the factory!
with a turbo rotary that has pistons and headers... :sly:
 
Z32
haven't you heard of honda's new civic FC-N?
fuel cell with nos from the factory!
with a turbo rotary that has pistons and headers... :sly:
Haha! Seriously, we might as well talk about this if we're gonna continue the conversation on the 450Z. :lol:
 
PsychoBadBoy
Well, I can put my imagination to work if you'd like. Maybe we should talk about the possibility of Subaru putting in a twin turbo inline-6 because they got tired of the flat-4 they've had in there. Or maybe how they're considering turbo charging the Honda S2000. Even better, how about we talk about the possibility of Nissan reintroducing the Silvia and throwing the 4.5L in that? See, I can make crap up too.

My point? I can easily make something up and get everyone talking about it just because they're gullible.

Ohh...I wasn't aware that Flerbizky wrote that article and drew the picture himself. Thanks for clearing that up...also, I wasn't aware that talking about something meant that I believed it. I mean, I always thought I was agnostic, but since I talk about God now and then, that must mean I'm Christian. 👍

PsychoBadBoy
So once it's been established that the 450Z article is B.S., why continue talking about it?

So if you're afraid of discussing abstract ideas, why did you join a forum?
 
PsychoBadBoy
Well, I can put my imagination to work if you'd like. Maybe we should talk about the possibility of Subaru putting in a twin turbo inline-6 because they got tired of the flat-4 they've had in there. Or maybe how they're considering turbo charging the Honda S2000. Even better, how about we talk about the possibility of Nissan reintroducing the Silvia and throwing the 4.5L in that? See, I can make crap up too.

My point? I can easily make something up and get everyone talking about it just because they're gullible. So once it's been established that the 450Z article is B.S., why continue talking about it?

Point #1: Whether it's BS or not, the article was speculativeanyway.

Point #2: Since it's been done by a tuner, and Nissan's V6 and V8 share many different engine bays in other platforms, it's definitely possible... and it's fun thinking about how such a car would be marketed and would fit into Nissan's overall strategy... whether it would flop, unfairly compete with the upcoming GTR, or provide a higher volume model onto which Nissan could piggyback the GTR.

Point #3: The idea is not as stupid as you might think.
 
Pyscho so what if this is complete B.S. What if it isnt. There was a article about it and we came to a conclusion of the likeliness of it being real is slim. Doesnt mean we have to close this thread.
 
Nissan 350Z/450Z
Nissan is so happy with the success of its reborn Z, a second-generation range is guaranteed: this is said to be even more performance-focused and to have a more powerful engine, enabling it to hold its own against the likes of the Porsche Cayman, revised Audi TT, new BMW Z4 and Volkswagen Rivo. 4.5 V8 version rumoured - 450Z - which could be badged as an Infiniti.

Im sure some people will feel silly now :O
 
I think Nissan are silly if they do that with the Z range, they've got the new GT-R out in just over a year which will fill the performance sector, they don't need a higher performance Z car, 300Bhp is high enough, higher than that and they start closing the gap on the GT-R.
 
I said it before, and I'll say it again. If this car ever does show up, I would bet on it being an Infiniti G45, not a 450Z. With the GT-R slotting in as the "Nissan" top dog, you wouldn't want to compete with that with a V8 Z. But, a V8 in the Infiniti G would be a perfect match.

So, like I said, I'd love to see a V8 Z. It would be a sweet ride, for sure. But, the the grand scheme of Nissan cars, the V8 in one of these cars seems to me to be a better fit with Infiniti.

Hilg
 
How's the exhaust note on those V8's, and what's their exact engine code, anyway? VK___?
 
Yeah, okay. Cool. I wasn't sure if it was VK or not, but I guess I was right. :)

I don't know why the GT-R is using a VQ35DETT instead of a some kind of turbo VK configuration. I'd imagine that would haul. Lol. This would give way for a 450Z without it surpassing the company's performance icon.
 
Omnis
Yeah, okay. Cool. I wasn't sure if it was VK or not, but I guess I was right. :)

I don't know why the GT-R is using a VQ35DETT instead of a some kind of turbo VK configuration. I'd imagine that would haul. Lol. This would give way for a 450Z without it surpassing the company's performance icon.

Its really easy to get the power they want out of a VQ with twin turbos, my bet is it wont be a 3.5Litre it may be 3.2 or 3.6 or something abit different like they done with the R32,33,34 GTR's with RB26. Considering they are adding a 4WD design a larger V8 may take more room and add even more forward weight.
 
The VQ32 is a little stouter, with lower compression. A VQ32DETT was rumored to be the way the next Skyline was going to go, since that's what's on the JGTC cars (or was? beats me).

For the Z-car, though, forced induction doesn't seem to be an option. If it aspires to be a "musclecar", it'll definitely be NA.
 
niky
For the Z-car, though, forced induction doesn't seem to be an option. If it aspires to be a "musclecar", it'll definitely be NA.

As much as I love the 300ZX TT (and I love the hell out of it) the 350Z is the best Z car so far...and it's N/A. N/A tuning to me is the way to go for a factory muscle car. Forced induction just in my opinion doesn't = muscle car.

And. I can tell you that the exhaust note on the 4.5l and 5.6l Nissan V8s are sexy. But oddly I prefer the VQ35 exhaust note that the FX35, G35 Coupe, and 350Z give...it makes my pants swell in the groin area. :sly: I hope Nissan makes the next Z car something like the 450Z with a 4.5l V8...that would just be perfect...I would be in heaven.
 
Young_Warrior
Nissan 350Z/450Z
Nissan is so happy with the success of its reborn Z, a second-generation range is guaranteed: this is said to be even more performance-focused and to have a more powerful engine, enabling it to hold its own against the likes of the Porsche Cayman, revised Audi TT, new BMW Z4 and Volkswagen Rivo. 4.5 V8 version rumoured - 450Z - which could be badged as an Infiniti.

Im sure some people will feel silly now :O

Until you give some sort of indication as to where that came from, and demonstrate that it was quoted from a reliable source, there won't be any silly-feeling going on... :rolleyes:
 
i do believe that one of the winning formulas of this z and the original was being affordable. hard to imagine a 27 k base model with a v8.... and we all know what happened to the Z32 when things got out of hand 👎 i think of the Z more of a attainable sports car. leave the big muscle for the gtr, kay? 👍
if anything, anda big if at that, id imagine a re-engineered vq40de from the pathfinder but i highly doubt anything as theyd want to keep price points the same.
 
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