Ovals VS Road Courses
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I would like to see one of every type of motorsport competition included, from rally to F1 to Le Mans to oval to gymkhana to drag racing. For me variation is the spice of life. I would like to have a shot at the NASCAR, don't know if I'd prefer it over road racing but you never know till you really give it a chance, and anyway it'd be a fun change if nothing else.
If you don't like F1/ovals/whatever, then why not just not race on those circuits and otherwise be quiet? I don't follow this need to persuade others that you're right and they're wrong.
I know a lot of F1 fans and I can say some are just Euro-USA snobs who view NASCAR as redneck entertainment and can't get past their sense of superiority to see what value the series actually has. Watching a few highlights doesn't mean you've understood the whole point of series or given it a real chance. Those who say it needs no skill to race on ovals clearly lack intelligence or are just trolling, and doing so in a rather obvious manner. I can see the entertainment value in being able to see the whole race, lots of lead changes etc. I can also well see F1's entertainment value, which is on an entirely different (not necessarily better) level. I wouldn't mind seeing a NASCAR race for real just for the experience.
TrievelAX's (sp?) posts on USA vs Europe culture differences also account for a fair bit of the difference IMHO.
If you don't like F1/ovals/whatever, then why not just not race on those circuits and otherwise be quiet? I don't follow this need to persuade others that you're right and they're wrong.
I know a lot of F1 fans and I can say some are just Euro-USA snobs who view NASCAR as redneck entertainment and can't get past their sense of superiority to see what value the series actually has. Watching a few highlights doesn't mean you've understood the whole point of series or given it a real chance. Those who say it needs no skill to race on ovals clearly lack intelligence or are just trolling, and doing so in a rather obvious manner. I can see the entertainment value in being able to see the whole race, lots of lead changes etc. I can also well see F1's entertainment value, which is on an entirely different (not necessarily better) level. I wouldn't mind seeing a NASCAR race for real just for the experience.
TrievelAX's (sp?) posts on USA vs Europe culture differences also account for a fair bit of the difference IMHO.
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How is that an argument?
How much you pay doesn't determine how much you like something. I like football(US) but there is no way I would pay $1000/seat to go to the SuperBowl. That's the nice thing about motorsports here, you can go see a major race for under $100/head. Hell last time I went to the NHRA race I only spent $75 including the ticket, a shirt and food/drinks.
Don't get me wrong, I like F1, but your "argument" just proves that F1 fans are either rich or gullible.
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Does that really matter when a bunch of crazy teenagers in Subaru 360's stuffed in a parking lot driving around a cone track [or even, oval] could theoretically produce closer and more competitive racing (and don't say it's not possible, because it is)?
F1 is the technological pinnacle of motorsports, and perhaps the most advanced auto sport in existence, but pinnacle is probably an opinion.
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Um you just made my point for me. See how much these people love F1. How many Indy/Nascar fans would be willing to pay $244+ to watch a race? Quite a few you'd be surprised. Things cost money, for great seats you will be paying great money. It's no different F1 or Nascar.
Um... theoretically. Or for arguments sake. I'm pointing out that F1 is just as big a draw, if not bigger, than any oval based sport. True, but still, why are we arguing this? One series races in the CONUS and the other all over the world, wonder which one has greater exposure?... Just because the seats dont exist doesn't mean the fans don't.
How you came up with is beyond me. Wow... By your standards a 350Z could be compared to a Mclaren F1 because they're both sports cars.
For someone who claims to know about F1, you sure take stuff Bernie Ecclestone says seriously.
Well the vast majority of the WORLD'S motorsports fans disagree with you.
So what's wrong with having all the money, glamor, and technology? And the fact that it takes more than just money to win in F1 is a drawback, because?????
I'm very well aware of all the flaws in F1. But IMO GP racing, at it's highest level, is the greatest sport in the world. How many other race cars can do all the things a F1 car does? Acceleration, top speed, stopping power, and cornering? How many other cars can do all the things the way a F1 car does? Hell, even the drivers are the fittest in the world? How exactly is F1 not the pinnacle of motorsports?
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Dude really, F1 is NOT GOING TO BE REPRESENTED IN GT/5 AS OF YET, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT IT DOES BETTER. We are talking about the game being as this is the GT5 section, not real life. No, the F2007 and Formula GT don't count, as fun as I imagine them being to drive, that is still not a series worth of cars. And if at some point it is, I'm all over it like cheese on macaroni. Or other things that go good together.
Everything has flaws, Nascar, F1, Gran Turismo...
Really guys, can this Nascar VS F1 garbage stop? There is really no point to it. The thread is about Ovals OR Road courses, which do you prefer? NOT what major racing series is better and why. Everyone has had a toot of their own horn now about our favorite series. So can we just get back to the point?
No one will win the F1 VS Nascar argument, it just won't happen, not now, not ever. Can always make an F1 VS Nascar deathmatch thread and have at it.
And if it's the racing that's a concern in GT/5 Ovals VS Road courses, why not compare series that will BE IN THE GAME? Super GT? IRL? Why does it go straight to blows traded between Nascar and F1? I don't get it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just old.
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RALLY STAGES! Lots of road courses, and a few oval tracks for online purposes. Oval tracks are boring unless playing online. They should add just a few for nascars sake. I would like to see Pocono, Bristol, Talladega. That would be good. No more damn ovals. That would give it some variety in ovals. I want to see gt become more in depth with wrc for the most part. We need a couple of americas road courses on there also.
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Haven't we always had American road courses? Even if fictional?
I agree with Bristol and Talladega, not so much Pocono, even though it's different, the Lausitz ring could take it's place, and offer us a sweet road course at the same time. I think Darlington and Atlanta or Lowe's would be a good choice. That makes, 6 all together, not knowing if TR Motegi Oval will be in or out, though would that even count against anything as it is a motorsports park with three road course layouts as well? The same for Daytona, are these double duty in the sense that they cover both oval and road racing in one venue?
Daytona, Indy, Bristol, Darlington, Atlanta, and Lausitz.
BUT, the IRL will still be lacking some of it's own ovals. So maybe Texas instead of Atlanta? As well as a substitute for Darlington for a track that is also on the IRL schedule?
Four rally locations with multiple track variations at the same location? so maybe 8/12/16 full rally courses all together??
That leaves 10 road courses with a bunch of different layouts.
Is that not fair? If anything ovals are losing out, you can't run a different variation of an oval and keep it an oval.
I'm taking shots in the dark here, but that would get us 20 tracks with 70 variations. The greater majority being road, with more rally than ovals. Who knows though, I doubt anyone is getting the rug pulled out from under them with anything though.
I hope Spa-Francorchamps, Bathurst, Road America, Monza, Hockenheimring, and the GP-Strecke portion of the Nurburgring make it in for the sake of something new. Even Oschersleben, Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari(Imola), and BRNO would be awesome. Also for a return of all the major road circuits we've already had; Laguna Seca, Twin Ring Motegi, Suzuka International, Nurburgring Nordschleife, Circuit de Monaco, Circuit de la Sarthe, Circuit de la Comunitat Valenciana Ricardo Tormo, and on and on, but that puts us over ten I suppose, but I have nothing solid to go on, more just thinking really...
I agree with Bristol and Talladega, not so much Pocono, even though it's different, the Lausitz ring could take it's place, and offer us a sweet road course at the same time. I think Darlington and Atlanta or Lowe's would be a good choice. That makes, 6 all together, not knowing if TR Motegi Oval will be in or out, though would that even count against anything as it is a motorsports park with three road course layouts as well? The same for Daytona, are these double duty in the sense that they cover both oval and road racing in one venue?
Daytona, Indy, Bristol, Darlington, Atlanta, and Lausitz.
BUT, the IRL will still be lacking some of it's own ovals. So maybe Texas instead of Atlanta? As well as a substitute for Darlington for a track that is also on the IRL schedule?
Four rally locations with multiple track variations at the same location? so maybe 8/12/16 full rally courses all together??
That leaves 10 road courses with a bunch of different layouts.
Is that not fair? If anything ovals are losing out, you can't run a different variation of an oval and keep it an oval.
I'm taking shots in the dark here, but that would get us 20 tracks with 70 variations. The greater majority being road, with more rally than ovals. Who knows though, I doubt anyone is getting the rug pulled out from under them with anything though.
I hope Spa-Francorchamps, Bathurst, Road America, Monza, Hockenheimring, and the GP-Strecke portion of the Nurburgring make it in for the sake of something new. Even Oschersleben, Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari(Imola), and BRNO would be awesome. Also for a return of all the major road circuits we've already had; Laguna Seca, Twin Ring Motegi, Suzuka International, Nurburgring Nordschleife, Circuit de Monaco, Circuit de la Sarthe, Circuit de la Comunitat Valenciana Ricardo Tormo, and on and on, but that puts us over ten I suppose, but I have nothing solid to go on, more just thinking really...
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Ferrari tifoso continue to put up for F1 even though its Nazi sympathizing boss continues to put you down by saying you cant even find your own country on a map.
Let's face it. Oval tracks are boring.
I know haters will still hate, but at 1:10 its obvious by the driver's comments on the radio he is enjoying himself and so will many new drivers getting a proper oval race experience in GT for the first time
Let's face it. Oval tracks are boring.
I know haters will still hate, but at 1:10 its obvious by the driver's comments on the radio he is enjoying himself and so will many new drivers getting a proper oval race experience in GT for the first time
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Actually, that's what bothers me about having NASCAR in the game. Why not FIA GT series? Why not V8 supercars? Why not BTCC or DTM or STCC? Why not F3000?
I'd much rather any of those than NASCAR or other oval racing series. Of course I'm hoping GT5 will have all those series AND NASCAR.
Same goes for tracks, if we only get 20 there's sooooo many tracks I'd love to have in the game that aren't ovals.
Its not that I dont particularly want ovals, its that there's so much other content that shouldn't be sacrificed.
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I do agree with you though, everything you listed would be great to have, they are very much worthy of a spot in GT. It just happens that PD is trying to introduce more people to oval racing via Nascar and the IRL. And I do want the V8's and a BUNCH of their tracks! Badly might I add.
Nothing is being sacrificed though. It's 20 locations, and 70 different layouts. Which means some can be both an oval or road course, like the Lausitz, or TR Motegi complex. Inevitably there will be ovals, it comes with the series included. Like has been said over and over, don't expect it to be nothing but a bunch of ovals, I don't think that PD would make that large a departure from anything they've done in the past. There is no reason to speculate that any form of racing is going to be under represented either.
I can't make a believer out of anyone over the internet, I understand that. No one can say if it's going to be wasted effort of not because they've yet to try it. But just the same as I can't prove it to be phenomenal either, because I too have yet to try it in GT/5. I'm pretty sure it won't be mindless left turns, if it's on any kind of level with quality simulators like Nascar 2003 season, not to be confused with the arcade type EA Sports Nascar titles, then it will be a real challenge. If you fall asleep and get bored, you will be in the wall. Though of course like I just said, it can really go either way. However lapping at say Daytona in a tuned Corvette, is miles away from lapping it in a purpose built oval racer like an IRL car or Nascar cup car. It's what they are built to preform on, so I'd expect it to provide as good of an experience as the road racing does for other purpose built road racing cars in past GT titles. Don't mistake that with me saying oval racing is better or this and that either. They each have their place, all I'm saying is, done as well as the other forms of racing in GT, it will be good and fun.
I can't wait to see what kind of road circuits we get, I've already made a list a few posts up, and there are still more I want, but we're realistically only going to get so much at a time. Which is not to say we'd never get anything EXTRA in the form of DLC. Lot's of speculation really, nothing to base it off of either. I just want to strap in and get on with it to find out for myself.
I do know for sure though, if the oval racing is not great, then it will flop... There are so many things that need to be right. Can't close up in the draft too quickly, bump drafting, aero push, aero loose, car setups, tight packs for the starts and restarts, tire wear, and sooo many other things.
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Nothing is being sacrificed though. It's 20 locations, and 70 different layouts. Which means some can be both an oval or road course, like the Lausitz, or TR Motegi complex. Inevitably there will be ovals, it comes with the series included. Like has been said over and over, don't expect it to be nothing but a bunch of ovals, I don't think that PD would make that large a departure from anything they've done in the past. There is no reason to speculate that any form of racing is going to be under represented either.
I can't make a believer out of anyone over the internet, I understand that. No one can say if it's going to be wasted effort of not because they've yet to try it. But just the same as I can't prove it to be phenomenal either, because I too have yet to try it in GT/5. I'm pretty sure it won't be mindless left turns, if it's on any kind of level with quality simulators like Nascar 2003 season, not to be confused with the arcade type EA Sports Nascar titles, then it will be a real challenge. If you fall asleep and get bored, you will be in the wall. Though of course like I just said, it can really go either way. However lapping at say Daytona in a tuned Corvette, is miles away from lapping it in a purpose built oval racer like an IRL car or Nascar cup car. It's what they are built to preform on, so I'd expect it to provide as good of an experience as the road racing does for other purpose built road racing cars in past GT titles. Don't mistake that with me saying oval racing is better or this and that either. They each have their place, all I'm saying is, done as well as the other forms of racing in GT, it will be good and fun.
I can't wait to see what kind of road circuits we get, I've already made a list a few posts up, and there are still more I want, but we're realistically only going to get so much at a time. Which is not to say we'd never get anything EXTRA in the form of DLC. Lot's of speculation really, nothing to base it off of either. I just want to strap in and get on with it to find out for myself.
I do know for sure though, if the oval racing is not great, then it will flop... There are so many things that need to be right. Can't close up in the draft too quickly, bump drafting, aero push, aero loose, car setups, tight packs for the starts and restarts, tire wear, and sooo many other things.
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It's going to be funny to hear the stories from people who think all ovals are alike, if we get more than just Indy/Daytona, like Charlotte or something. They'll think they can drive it like Daytona, get in the first turn, throttle floored, end up in the wall....sorry, not how it works, and no two tracks are alike.
Also, Daytona oval races on Prologue are relatively easy, but wait until you get into a 16 person online race where everyone is evenly matched and tell me it isn't fun to battle through the drafting and everything.
Also, Daytona oval races on Prologue are relatively easy, but wait until you get into a 16 person online race where everyone is evenly matched and tell me it isn't fun to battle through the drafting and everything.
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This game http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/nascar09/review.html ?
I tried it. I didn't think it was a very good game as a whole, but that has nothing to do with the style of NASCAR, as I have played NASCAR games in the past which were fun. I miss the days of Papyrus Racing.
I am hoping we get that level of fun with NASCAR in Gran Turism as no one else has really done a good job with it in my opinion. But I still don't need a bunch of oval tracks.
I tried it. I didn't think it was a very good game as a whole, but that has nothing to do with the style of NASCAR, as I have played NASCAR games in the past which were fun. I miss the days of Papyrus Racing.
I am hoping we get that level of fun with NASCAR in Gran Turism as no one else has really done a good job with it in my opinion. But I still don't need a bunch of oval tracks.
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I sort of covered this in a different thread(forgot which one). Currently the US market is the weakest when it comes to sales and Kaz is a business man who is in the business of making money. This of course will mean that things that are popular in the US will receive a little more focus from PD than Europe and Asia.
I would love for all of those series' to be in, not sure where this "something is in that means something isn't" mentality came from.
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