PD, this is how the Enzo should be, hmmm...

[alonsof1fan91]

2. Pagani Zonda - Since when did these become part of the soul-less crowd? They are beautifully made cars from italy that have managed to pull themselves up where most other small/new car manufacturers have failed. Many of the Zonda's far outpace the Enzo.

3. The Ferrari 458, the Flagship production model road car (available to everybody, you dont need to be best buddies with Mr Ferrari to buy one), was not aimed to be another Enzo, yet this car matches the Enzo on performance, it is so much more well balanced and advancements have moved on so much, it shows how far behind the Enzo is in this day of super cars.

4. The Zonda R, famously destroyed the time that Michael Schumacher set in the Ferrari FXX around the Top Gear test track. The FXX is a track car based on the Enzo, it falls into the same catagory as the Zonda R, being a non road legal race car that you cannot enter into races. I'm sure Ferrari could come along and beat it, but they haven't so such conversation is silly.

How many pre 2002 Zondas beat the time, the Enzo set? None of them. The Enzo beat the C12S by several seconds.
A Zonda F only beat it by 6 thenths, eventhought its 3 years younger. Yes, technology moves forwards. A 2007 430 Scuderia is able to beat the Enzo on Fiorano.

I never said that the Enzo is still the best supercar out there, eventhough its still pretty good. I said it was maybe the best by the time it released. And comparing two cars (FXX&Zonda R) which aren`t allowed on public roads is like comparing two race cars from different series, like a MC12 from the FIA GT with a GT500 GT-R.

And Im not saying that Ferrari (actually I rate Mclaren higher and Porsche/Chevrolet are very competitive too) can built the best performance cars in the world. It just makes no sense to compare road cars. Road cars are never designed with only performance in mind. I love motorsports, so I actually compare manufactures, tuners and teams who compete against each other in the same racing series to see which one is the best. And if -for example- a team is successfull in F1 (Ferrari) which is very challenging and competitive for manufactures, I think its not that stupid to assume that those guys aren`t the worst ones around...
Right now it looks like that Mclaren produced a masterpiece with the MP4-12C. Yes, I`m sure that there are only few car manufactures in the world, which are able to build superior car at the price range of 200-300K €, which weights around 1400kg and uses a turbocharged V8.

 

[freedomweasel]

I don't want to get involved but "flying" isn't a commonly used term to describe a car's handling.

I have no idea what you're trying to say when you say things like "not even a percent close to flying". You might make more sense if you use accepted and commonly used terms.

 

[Enzo309]

I don't want to get involved but "flying" isn't a commonly used term to describe a car's handling.

I have no idea what you're trying to say when you say things like "not even a percent close to flying". You might make more sense if you use accepted and commonly used terms.

it does fly and I have no idea too why you are saying im using flying to describe a car's handling?

 

[alonsof1fan91]

The Enzo understeers in the first corner of the first video in this thread (how many times do i have to say this?) before he tries to correct it and he overdoes it on the throttle causing the backend to come out, but it certaintly did understeer. All cars understeer if you push them too hard into a corner.

Look, its well known as a fact that the performance of the Enzo is similar to the 458, and similar cars. No matter what excuse you use its time on the top gear test track proves this. In GT5 the times at the top gear test track are again very similar to the real life cars in comparison.

No matter how much you talk your way around it, it still doesnt change that the Zonda R (Driven by the new stig, if you want to make up fairytales that is your choice) completely thrashed the time of the FXX that was driven by Schumacher.

No matter how much you talk about the technology, the facts of the Enzo remain, and you can keep arguing that black is white, but you cannot change that. The Enzo is a previous generation supercar, the technology has been surpassed and the level has been raised.

Dude, just write "I hate Ferrari/the Enzo" and its fine. Yes, I think this is your main intention because you keep bringing up the ZondaR-FXX argument, eventhough Enzo309 was talking about the Enzo Ferrari and its bad handling in the game and not about the FXX.

The Enzo is still one of the best cars in the world, seriously... It managed to lap the ring in 7:25 with technical problems. What more do you want or expect it to do? A 7:25 around the ring means that this car is one of the best performing road cars in the world.

Enzo903 thinks that the Enzos handling is a bit to bad in the game. Im sure that neither Enzo903, you or me have ever taken a Enzo Ferrari to a race track. So I think its pretty hard to judge who is right or wrong.

Ok, facts:
A 7:25 lap time on the nordschleife (with technical problems) and a 9 year old tire compound (non race tire). The biggest performance and driveabilty gain should be racing softs in GT5, maybe Enzo903 can give us a review about this car with that tires.

Personally speaking, I don`t think that the Enzo is "to bad", its just hard to control, like a F40. Other cars are just to easy to drive (GT-R, ZR1, SLS, 458 etc) and maybe faster then they are in real world.

 

[RB6]

I don`t think that the Enzo is "to bad"

A lot worse actually , in the nurburgring video it had road tyres and it rarely understeered but a lot of oversteer corrections was needed and Enzo903 said that if it didn't have technical problems the ferrari engineers reconned it would do 7:20 or less and that's completely true because when you talk about engineers from the top racing divisions like in Top Gear Renault R25 for example they recconed it would do a lap in less than 1 minute and they were correct.

In GT5 you've got soft compound slick tyres I mean even with road going tyres the Ferrari Enzo rarely understeered but the oversteers were severe but with soft compound slicks the combination of formula one aerodynamic mechanisms would equal to almost to that of a FIA GT1 race car's

 

[Alex p.]

No Eddie Griffen references? Son, I am disappoint.

THIS.



I love how it says "breaking" news.

 

[Poppins]

The enzo has massive understeer because it has no weight on the front tires. Soften the front suspension up and tighten the ARB to compensate the body roll and it handles so much better.

 

[rideontwo]

The problem with the Enzo is initial understeer followed by snap over steer as soon as you step on the throttle. Doesn't mean the car is not beautiful or the sound isn't heavenly. Makes me love the 458 even more .

 

[JoeMaPampang]

yeah those are only mini wings on the FXX its not like an LMP1's wings

and whats the difference between the enzo and the fxx? 200 hp.

little downforce?? huh

have you ever heard the head engineer of ferrari say the enzo is purely made for downforce


you think its overrated huh??

well watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD5NgW7FoIg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UFUERLiB0U quotes

perfect steering , perfect brakes , per perfect handling , perfect power , if you dont agree with us then this is your perfect dream car we think your having the wrong dreams

^_^

FXX Evolucione Onboard Mugello. Hear that sound

 

[Andy89]

I haven't driven the Enzo yet, but I do have the F40 and let me tell you, I think I made a thread about the F40 being the worst car in the game, it really handles like a POS, getting beat by cars half its power in the game, I came in last place in the Ferrari event with that car and it wasn't even stock.

F40 is a great car, and let me tell you, If you can't go fast with that stock, is not the car that is crap, but maybe are you that aren't able to drive it properly. "Getting beat by cars half its power in the game"...WTF??? You can easily win that event with the F40, I won that months ago with a stock one man...

 

[Enzo309]

THIS.



I love how it says "breaking" news.

he was actually going almost 200 kmh with road going tyres and braked 100 meters before the wall , Eddie was also at the max steering angle which would obviously lock any car's wheel straight away I mean any car , like what Ayrton Senna said braking on a straight line still applies even in Formula 1 - Ayrton Senna's Principle of Driving

The Ferrari Enzo has actually got too much downforce if you watched Jeremy Clarkson Ferrari Enzo Top Gear braking at 300 kmh it weighs over 2 tons on a bend but thats with road tyres and also in GT5 even at 100 kmh it would weigh over 2 tons and Im not sure about it weighing that much because it absolutely flies on every track so theres no assumption in GT5's Ferrari Enzo being unrealistic but completely opposite to the real ferrari enzo

but id recon if that enzo had soft compound slicks it would have saved it completely

You can only brake at 200kmh and 100 meters away from the wall on a Formula 1 car unless youve got a McLaren SLR with slick soft compound which can do the 200-0 in 100 meters but still that only works if you dont steer like Eddie Griffin he obviously completely locked the wheel he steered to the max possible angle before braking at 200 kmh 100 meters before the wall , Eddie Griffin doesnt race cars so he obviously didnt have enough experience on braking but he seemed to know how to go fast and thats because hes a comedian

 

[Kenuwine]

U guys are a trip...The enzo is beasty in the game..and in my opinion the sound is on point. You guys over exagerate too much. When i done the ferrari challenge i bought a 458 italia and won even won with the F40 stock..Its all about braking and accelerating points....and blocking. But i was on the main straight with my 458 and i heard some beasty ass sound coming up on my right and didnt see it till it swooped by me...the mighty enzo...The bitch is bad....learn how to drive and stop complaining

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

U guys are a trip...The enzo is beasty in the game..and in my opinion the sound is on point. You guys over exagerate too much. When i done the ferrari challenge i bought a 458 italia and won even won with the F40 stock..Its all about braking and accelerating points....and blocking. But i was on the main straight with my 458 and i heard some beasty ass sound coming up on my right and didnt see it till it swooped by me...the mighty enzo...The bitch is bad....learn how to drive and stop complaining

The Enzo is a beast on the straights, but there is no denying it understeers.

 

[RB6]

he was actually going almost 200 kmh with road going tyres and braked 100 meters before the wall , Eddie was also at the max steering angle which would obviously lock any car's wheel straight away I mean any car , like what Ayrton Senna said braking on a straight line still applies even in Formula 1 - Ayrton Senna's Principle of Driving

The Ferrari Enzo has actually got too much downforce if you watched Jeremy Clarkson Ferrari Enzo Top Gear braking at 300 kmh it weighs over 2 tons on a bend but thats with road tyres and also in GT5 even at 100 kmh it would weigh over 2 tons and Im not sure about it weighing that much because it absolutely flies on every track so theres no assumption in GT5's Ferrari Enzo being unrealistic but completely opposite to the real ferrari enzo

but id recon if that enzo had soft compound slicks it would have saved it completely

You can only brake at 200kmh and 100 meters away from the wall on a Formula 1 car unless youve got a McLaren SLR with slick soft compound which can do the 200-0 in 100 meters but still that only works if you dont steer like Eddie Griffin he obviously completely locked the wheel he steered to the max possible angle before braking at 200 kmh 100 meters before the wall , Eddie Griffin doesnt race cars so he obviously didnt have enough experience on braking but he seemed to know how to go fast and thats because hes a comedian

You are correct on it having too much downforce the ferrari engineers in the racing division have said that to Jeremy Clarkson but he also felt that himself while testing still that was braking at 300 kmh on a bend which made it weigh more than 2 tons but in GT5 it does weigh over 2 tons at pedestrian 100kmh speed but do Im gonna agree on you the enzo likes to fly like a fireball and it does have severe understeer at pedestrian speeds but do not forget the Ferrari Enzo has Carbon Ceramic brakes carried from the 2001 Ferrari championship winning F1 car although the F1 car has pure carbon brakes the Ferrari Enzo's was a combination of both , but the Ferrari Enzo did not have the clever ABS you'd get from a Maserati MC12 so you could expect the enzo oversteering under braking

so it weighs over 2 tons at pedestrian speeds but the truth is it only weighs like that when braking at 300 kmh on a bend confirmed by Jeremy Clarkson and ferrari engineers in the racing division.

another thing is it weighs about 10 kilograms at over 200 kmh it likes to fly

so what happened to this champion winning F1 mechanised car??

also what was 7x F1 world champion Michael Schumacher doing in the tests I mean theres videos of himself testing in youtube throughout the whole car's development

so a car that weighs over 2 tons at pedestrian speeds and a car that weighs 10 kilograms at 200 kmh+

coinsidence? yeah right.

you get the impression that the Ferrari Enzo in GT5 could have been faster and better to the reality but they werent allowed to because it would have been faster than some race cars

and I couldnt live with that I like to think that a car in a simulation game should be as real as it can be

 

[RB6]

l

 

[Bigbazz]

Dude, just write "I hate Ferrari/the Enzo" and its fine. Yes, I think this is your main intention because you keep bringing up the ZondaR-FXX argument, eventhough Enzo309 was talking about the Enzo Ferrari and its bad handling in the game and not about the FXX.

The Enzo is still one of the best cars in the world, seriously... It managed to lap the ring in 7:25 with technical problems. What more do you want or expect it to do? A 7:25 around the ring means that this car is one of the best performing road cars in the world.

Enzo903 thinks that the Enzos handling is a bit to bad in the game. Im sure that neither Enzo903, you or me have ever taken a Enzo Ferrari to a race track. So I think its pretty hard to judge who is right or wrong.

Ok, facts:
A 7:25 lap time on the nordschleife (with technical problems) and a 9 year old tire compound (non race tire). The biggest performance and driveabilty gain should be racing softs in GT5, maybe Enzo903 can give us a review about this car with that tires.

Personally speaking, I don`t think that the Enzo is "to bad", its just hard to control, like a F40. Other cars are just to easy to drive (GT-R, ZR1, SLS, 458 etc) and maybe faster then they are in real world.

If you read the thread you would see that i said i love the Enzo, i think it's an amazing and beautiful car, and at the time of release it was no doubt the king of production supercars.

But, i am a realist, and i don't need the Enzo to be the best, all the facts point to the Enzo being a difficult car to drive that is outperformed by many of todays modern supercars, and no ammount of talking about Michael Schumacher or F1 technology changes the facts on the paper.


1. I love Ferrari's i'm a massive fan, i love the way the Enzo looks and the 458 Italia would be one of my first choices if i had the money to buy a supercar.

2. I'm not comparing the Enzo with cars of 2002, back then the Enzo was amazing and it still is, but so many car companies have built cars that surpass it in recent years.

3. My original arguement was that the Enzo in the game was modelled well since its numbers and comparison next to other cars almost perfectly match that of real life.

4. Actually the conversation did go on to the FXX, which by the way is based on the Enzo, a sort of racing version. Especially pointed towards a dig at Pagani Zonda, where i pointed out they had created the same kind of car as the FXX.

5. Nurburgring time is fantastic, but its only slightly faster than the time set by the GTR a car that cost less than 1/10 of the price, has less power and is a lot heavier. I have no doubt the Enzo could produce a faster time, but think of all the cars that could run at the Nurburgring that have not produced a time. I would love to see a Mclaren F1 GTR road conversion do a lap, or an LM. I'd love to see a Bugatti SS do a lap, or an Ariel Atom V8.

6. In the game I drive my Enzo stock on sports soft tyres, and I think it's pretty great and i certaintly have no issues driving it and have never complained of understeer issues, not as good in the corners as the 458, but makes up for it with power and generally its a fun car to drive, but as in real life the cars that are close to it on laptimes are also in game.

You should read the thread before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Bigbazz]

How many pre 2002 Zondas beat the time, the Enzo set? None of them. The Enzo beat the C12S by several seconds.
A Zonda F only beat it by 6 thenths, eventhought its 3 years younger. Yes, technology moves forwards. A 2007 430 Scuderia is able to beat the Enzo on Fiorano.

I never said that the Enzo is still the best supercar out there, eventhough its still pretty good. I said it was maybe the best by the time it released. And comparing two cars (FXX&Zonda R) which aren`t allowed on public roads is like comparing two race cars from different series, like a MC12 from the FIA GT with a GT500 GT-R.

And Im not saying that Ferrari (actually I rate Mclaren higher and Porsche/Chevrolet are very competitive too) can built the best performance cars in the world. It just makes no sense to compare road cars. Road cars are never designed with only performance in mind. I love motorsports, so I actually compare manufactures, tuners and teams who compete against each other in the same racing series to see which one is the best. And if -for example- a team is successfull in F1 (Ferrari) which is very challenging and competitive for manufactures, I think its not that stupid to assume that those guys aren`t the worst ones around...
Right now it looks like that Mclaren produced a masterpiece with the MP4-12C. Yes, I`m sure that there are only few car manufactures in the world, which are able to build superior car at the price range of 200-300K €, which weights around 1400kg and uses a turbocharged V8.

I agree with what you say, i agree the Enzo at the time of release. The point is this, Enzo (the forum member) is coming across that the car in game underperforms and does not reprisent real life. And i merely pointed to the facts available showing where the car in real life and in the game are close.

I don't understand the ideas in this thread (and i've never seen them before) where the Enzo is seen as some godly supercar that can outclass all, some people even saying silly things such as "they didnt want to make it realistic in game because it would beat racing cars"... spare me, I mean.. come on? haha.

We know that modern cars are faster, so what i'm saying is, it doesnt matter how much hype about F1 technology and schumacher are thrown around, it is still slower, it is not the ultimate supercar.


My favourite car of all is the Mclaren F1 (the basic road version, not the LM/GTR), it was the ultimate supercar but now there are many cars that would outperform this, I don't need to cling to the idea that it would still outperform every car. The F1 technology and money thrown into it was amazing at the time, the car was amazing at the time and it still is, but it would still get thrashed around a track by many modern cars.

 

[SavageEvil]

You people are crazy, all cars understeer when you brake too late into a corner. Enzo has snap over steer and under steer at the limit, learn how to handle the car first before complaining about it. You guys are probably expecting to drive all cars the same way, good luck with that approach as you will find the same problems you are experiencing now.

Learn to drive the car properly first, stop trying to go balls to the walls in every corner, learn patience. Enzo is a great car for it's time, no matter how short lived it's stay was at the top. MR cars have notorious edgy handling, sometimes it's balanced other times is break neck, you have to figure out the car's quirks. I know for a fact that if you had to drive the Enzo in real life you would not drive it anywhere near are crazy as you do in the game. Relax and take a breath guys. Side note, Enzo's lack of much body roll is attributed to is suspension not downforce, goodness gracious where do you guys get this stuff?

 

[Kenuwine]

If you read the thread you would see that i said i love the Enzo, i think it's an amazing and beautiful car, and at the time of release it was no doubt the king of production supercars.

But, i am a realist, and i don't need the Enzo to be the best, all the facts point to the Enzo being a difficult car to drive that is outperformed by many of todays modern supercars, and no ammount of talking about Michael Schumacher or F1 technology changes the facts on the paper.


1. I love Ferrari's i'm a massive fan, i love the way the Enzo looks and the 458 Italia would be one of my first choices if i had the money to buy a supercar.

2. I'm not comparing the Enzo with cars of 2002, back then the Enzo was amazing and it still is, but so many car companies have built cars that surpass it in recent years.

3. My original arguement was that the Enzo in the game was modelled well since its numbers and comparison next to other cars almost perfectly match that of real life.

4. Actually the conversation did go on to the FXX, which by the way is based on the Enzo, a sort of racing version. Especially pointed towards a dig at Pagani Zonda, where i pointed out they had created the same kind of car as the FXX.

5. Nurburgring time is fantastic, but its only slightly faster than the time set by the GTR a car that cost less than 1/10 of the price, has less power and is a lot heavier. I have no doubt the Enzo could produce a faster time, but think of all the cars that could run at the Nurburgring that have not produced a time. I would love to see a Mclaren F1 GTR road conversion do a lap, or an LM. I'd love to see a Bugatti SS do a lap, or an Ariel Atom V8.

6. In the game I drive my Enzo stock on sports soft tyres, and I think it's pretty great and i certaintly have no issues driving it and have never complained of understeer issues, not as good in the corners as the 458, but makes up for it with power and generally its a fun car to drive, but as in real life the cars that are close to it on laptimes are also in game.

You should read the thread before jumping to conclusions.

Exactly!!! I have my enzo the same, on sport soft tires..The only way it really understeers is if u go braking to hard into a corner. You have to feather the gas in 1st and 2nd or u will have massive oversteer and end up spining out. My enzo is bone stock and has 654bhp...No need to modify it at all. Handles very good and exceptional speed..The only problem i have is its suspension is very stiff..on tracks like the "Ring" that has alot of road surface bumps dips and bank corners its not really hard to go spining on that track. But just like all the cars in the game, u have to learn how to drive it, AWD cars are the understeer kings ex the Evo X its alot better than the others..

 

[-=DV=-]

I have yet to see a video or picture of an enzo "flying" in gt5? If infact the car does become airbourne and is able to fly then that certainly is a bug that needs to be fixed. But my experience with the car in the game seems to be very close to what you see IRL from it. The enzo is a quick car. possibly the quickest road car when it was released. But that was nearly a decade ago and technology has come a LOOONG way since then kid.

 

[Enzo309]

I have yet to see a video or picture of an enzo "flying" in gt5? If infact the car does become airbourne and is able to fly then that certainly is a bug that needs to be fixed. But my experience with the car in the game seems to be very close to what you see IRL from it. The enzo is a quick car. possibly the quickest road car when it was released. But that was nearly a decade ago and technology has come a LOOONG way since then kid.

the problem is even the SLR mclaren is faster than the fake enzo here in GT5

being specific in nurburgring its 10 seconds faster a lap

in real life the enzo is faster than SLR in any track

I have to say the straight line performance on the enzo is real

except for its f1 transmission because in real life everytime you upshift it orders a burst of torque from the engine and prevents the back of the car from squatting , disengages the clutch and reangages it all in .15 seconds 150 miliseconds

although its been said everywhere that you cant go as fast as you possibly could because of the amount of snap oversteer you get from it

 

[Bigbazz]

the problem is even the SLR mclaren is faster than the fake enzo here in GT5

being specific in nurburgring its 10 seconds faster a lap

in real life the enzo is faster than SLR in any track

I have to say the straight line performance on the enzo is real

except for its f1 transmission because in real life everytime you upshift it orders a burst of torque from the engine and prevents the back of the car from squatting , disengages the clutch and reangages it all in .15 seconds 150 miliseconds

although its been said everywhere that you cant go as fast as you possibly could because of the amount of snap oversteer you get from it

I think you just can't drive it, because when i drive the Enzo it's considerably faster than my SLR.


You keep using this "Snap oversteer" as an excuse for the lack of speed. Its like the age old F1 saying, "There are some issues that hold back the cars true pace, those issues mainly consist of a lack of speed".

Its like saying "the cars speed is held back by its understeer issues" or "The car would be faster if it had more power". If car is slower because of snap oversteer problems then the car is slower, its not "oh it would be faster if it didnt have the snap oversteer" because it does have that issue and it is always going to have that issue, if this issue is slowing people down then it is a simple flaw with the car that makes it slower.

I'm pretty sure Michael Schumacher could drive it no problem, he loves cars that oversteer, infact given that you keep mentioning he helped develop it, maybe he was the problem? He developed a car around his driving style?

 

[rednumbersix]

All the videos I see of understeer everyone complains about with the enzo are driver induced.

I see a lot of overly aggressive braking late into the corner with inconsistent throttle application. Weight transfer is critical in a car that is relying on aerodynamics to keep it glued to the road.

Braking late does not mean braking late and hard. it's a balance and transition thing. Often I don't take my foot all the way off the gas. and I definitely don't lay it down until I am pointed at my exit.

The basic rules still apply to the Enzo, slow in fast out, fast in slow out. When

If I want the best control in a corner at the track in my car I keep the RPM's high and feather light application of throttle to point my car where I want it and then gradually move to full throttle on corner exit.

 

[HuskyGT]

The car drives fairly good. But it does sound like a Ferrari V8. I rather have the strange sound that the Enzo had in GTPSP, that actually sounded like some sort of artificial V12/6 cylinder-ish engine. But at least it sounded "correct."

 

[BlackoutBilly]

FXX?
599XX?
599 GTO?
458 Italia?
458 Challenge?

Ferrari has come a long way since the enzo. As incredible as the enzo is, Even ferraris entry level car, the 458 now outperforms it on a track.

A lot of you guys are bringing up the FXX and 599XX and so on. When talking about the Enzo you can't bring these cars up as they don't compare, they aren't in the same league, and they aren't even purchasable for daily driving. If you don't know anything about these strictly track cars, then let me enlighten you. If you want to "buy" an FXX, you basically pay Ferrari an incredible sum, they teach you how to drive the car, you enter into their program, and they decide which days you can drive. There are designated track days for these cars...this is the only time owners get to drive them. However, if you'd like to purchase an Enzo, you go to a dealership, get the keys, drive home while stopping at the grocery store to get milk. So when talking about production road cars, try and keep your examples to production road cars so we can have an accurate comparison.

 

[MadBullBunny]

Anybody like the honk at 1:16 in the first video? ;D

 

[Enzo309]

I think you just can't drive it, because when i drive the Enzo it's considerably faster than my SLR.


You keep using this "Snap oversteer" as an excuse for the lack of speed. Its like the age old F1 saying, "There are some issues that hold back the cars true pace, those issues mainly consist of a lack of speed".

Its like saying "the cars speed is held back by its understeer issues" or "The car would be faster if it had more power". If car is slower because of snap oversteer problems then the car is slower, its not "oh it would be faster if it didnt have the snap oversteer" because it does have that issue and it is always going to have that issue, if this issue is slowing people down then it is a simple flaw with the car that makes it slower.

I'm pretty sure Michael Schumacher could drive it no problem, he loves cars that oversteer, infact given that you keep mentioning he helped develop it, maybe he was the problem? He developed a car around his driving style?

add my psn then , tomorrow lets see whose faster in nurburgring with stock restrictions

you can drive the enzo lets see if you can keep up

 

[Poppins]

Lol the Enzo is definately faster then the SLR man, I can run like 6:30 in my SLR and I know for a fact the Enzo goes faster.

 

[Dragunov]

The Enzo is faster than a SLR in most tracks but the SLR is easier to keep in track. Nurburgring its not the best track to compare them, you'll be flying in most bumps with the Enzo while the SLR that weights almost twice will be stable. Compare them in the TGTT or something with straights and not many bumps and you'll see.

 

[United6694]

Have any off you ever driven an Enzo?