[POLL] How would you feel about Stealth and Chromeline Cars as DLC?

[Rudenut]

I never had access to the signature edition...If I had the option I would have bought them. Region locked exclusivity is bad business...I would consider adding them as a corrective action.

 

[Sleek Stratos]

A much simpler way of doing things here would be releasing a "refresh card" pack with 10 or so cards. You buy the pack for (1.99, 2.99 or whatever) and restore your CL and stealth cars.

If you don't have them, and you absolutely must have them, then sell your standard copy of GT5 and put the money together to buy the Collector's edition.

Too expensive nowadays? Collectible items will do that. Even non-collectible items will also. I'd love to have a 60GB PS3 with 4 USB ports, "PS2 Emotion engine" and all the other goodies Sony laid on them back then, but I'd have to pony up at least $900.

 

[Akwaaba]

A much simpler way of doing things here would be releasing a "refresh card" pack with 10 or so cards. You buy the pack for (1.99, 2.99 or whatever) and restore your CL and stealth cars.

or just start a second account on you PS3!

Not so sure why people value the exclusive nature of these cars though.

It really doesn't make any difference to playing the game if everyone else has these cars ... because once the codes have been redeemed the cars have no value.

Now codes that haven't been redeemed have a value, until December 2012 (I think) and then I believe that after then the codes will have no practical use.

Before the trade limitations, could stealth and chrome line cars be traded, I can remember XJ13s on ebay, what about the others?

 

[MustangCobra95]

or just start a second account on you PS3!

Not so sure why people value the exclusive nature of these cars though.

It really doesn't make any difference to playing the game if everyone else has these cars ... and they have no value.

Now codes that haven't been redeemed have a value, until December 2012 (I think) and then I believe that after then then codea will have no practical use.

Before the trade limitations, could stealth and chrome line cars be traded, I can remember XJ13s on ebay, what about the others?

Stealths/Chrome Lines could never be traded. I've always wanted the Murcielago LP640 Chrome Line, 787B Stealth, R10 Stealth, and the XJ13 Race Car Chrome Line.

 

[Akwaaba]

Stealths/Chrome Lines could never be traded. I've always wanted the Murcielago LP640 Chrome Line, 787B Stealth, R10 Stealth, and the XJ13 Race Car Chrome Line.

Thanks for the answer.

I don't understand the exclusive bit of the arguement, but I suppose if they couldn't be traded, then most of the people that have them either bought CE/SE or got hold of the codes elsewhere.

I bought the Signature edition just to get these cars, paid £80 whereas the RRP was £150. Sold everything and kept the codes, but don't have any problems if these were available as DLC. Would only moan (and then only a little) if the price was too cheap.

 

[MustangCobra95]

I bought the Signature edition just to get these cars, paid £80 whereas the RRP was £150. Sold everything and kept the codes, but don't have any problems if these were available as DLC. Would only moan (and then only a little) if the price was too cheap.

^^THIS!!^^

You are one of the only people that I tolerate that have the Collectors/Signature Edition. 👍

 

[HP]

But why do you want them to keep it exclusive? Genuine question.

They were marketed as exclusive mate, the cars were advertised as "exclusive to signature & collectors editions". Sure I know that I didn't purchase sig ed specifically for the cars but if they are exclusively for those who bought those two ed's then I reckon it should stay that way.

Equally, if they show up as DLC, I expect there won't be much to be done about that either, but expect there will be plenty of people paying it plenty of mind. And the price is irrelevant, remember; these cars are worth next to nothing in material terms.

Yes people will pay it mind & yes there is not a lot to be done about it if it happens, until then though we have a voice on this forum that might be heard and, however unlikely, posts might be seen & a decision made to not release these cars as DLC as a result. I have no such chance that an online seller will see our posts & decide to remove their listing, that's why I paid little mind to them selling codes. because there's far call I can do about it

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nope. Hope it never happens. A few already came out and peeved me off. Even $15 isn't worth it. Signature edition was very very expensive. $200 more than normal editions in my country. A $200 DLC would be in my books.

So they should pay 200 dollars from DLC...though realistically you paid 200 dollars for more than just a few extra cars. So basically you're asking them to pay $200 for DLC, though they already bought the game which was a big portion of why you paid that much, but you also got other goodies like the diecast car, stickers, certificate, keychain, GT booklet with tons of car info and so on. So they should pay that but only get a fraction of what you got, that's childish and ignorant I'd say.

 

[CSLACR]

I agree it was sold as exclusive content available only in the special editions of the game.
To sell them now as DLC is a backhand to the most die hard customers PD has.

If they were to make the mistake of selling them as DLC, I also see justification in charging 40 USD for it. Not because that's all you got in the CE, but because at the time of sale, that's how much people were lead to believe they'd have to pay for it, and also the only way you could get them at all.
Exclusive should mean exclusive. If I had (almost did) spent 100 bucks on the CE, only for PD to turn around and sell it as DLC a year later, I'd be pissed. More pissed if they sold it for a significant amount less then the CE cost extra.

But I also agree that not all of us had access to all the cars, even with the money.
Mistake number 1 was some of it being region locked.
Mistake number 2 was screwing up the release of Spec II to NA.
Mistake number 3 was giving a free one to everyone in NA.
Mistake number 4 was giving another one away for free to everyone.

If they wanted to give things out, in any way, they should have made new content and given that out for free, no expensive "exclusive" content that devalues what their most loyal fans shelled a lot of money over to get.

 

[Tornado]

If they were to make the mistake of selling them as DLC, I also see justification in charging 40 USD for it. Not because that's all you got in the CE, but because at the time of sale, that's how much people were lead to believe they'd have to pay for it, and also the only way you could get them at all.
Exclusive should mean exclusive. If I had (almost did) spent 100 bucks on the CE, only for PD to turn around and sell it as DLC a year later, I'd be pissed. More pissed if they sold it for a significant amount less then the CE cost extra.

I'm interested to see how they would sell a flash drive, keychain and model car as DLC, let alone all the crap that came with the SE.

Because that is the only way that the "we paid X amount more for the special version so the DLC should cost X amount more" argument makes any sense.

 

[CSLACR]

I'm interested to see how they would sell a flash drive anf model car as DLC.

That's got nothing to do with it.
Selling any previously claimed "exclusive" content devalues any "exclusive" content in the future.
It's unarguably a bad business practice.

Because that is the only way that the "we paid X amount more for the special version so the DLC should cost X amount more" argument makes any sense.

Was there any way to get those cars for less money?
Was it said to be exclusive content at the time of purchase?

 

[Tornado]

That's got nothing to do with it.
Selling any previously claimed "exclusive" content devalues any "exclusive" content in the future.
It's unarguably a bad business practice.

So is offering exclusive content that in fact is just content everyone paid for with an extra surcharge added on top.

Was there any way to get those cars for less money?
Was it said to be exclusive content at the time of purchase?

This has no relevance.

 

[CSLACR]

So is offering exclusive content that in fact is just content everyone paid for with an extra surcharge added on top.

You gotta stop catching me mid-edit.

I disagree. They could have just as easily made it DLC with an unlock code, and the difference would be nill.

This has no relevance.

Explain.

 

[Tornado]

I disagree. They could have just as easily made it DLC with an unlock code, and the difference would be nill.

Because DLC with an unlock code (which, to be frank, is all the Stealth/Chromlines were anyway) is good business practice?

 

[Parker]

I own the Collector's Edition of GT5 and imported the Signature Edition because it wasn't available for purchase in the US. I've been hoping that PD will release these cars to other users for a while now, and honestly I think they should be free. I didn't buy the editions of the game for the Stealth or Chromeline cars, I bought it for the rest of the items that came with it, the cars were just a bonus.

Like I said, I'd have absolutely no problem if PD released a DLC pack with all the Stealth and Chromeline cars for free. We've had 'em long enough, lets let others enjoy them as well.


Parker

 

[CSLACR]

Because DLC with an unlock code (which, to be frank, is all the Stealth/Chromlines were anyway) is good business practice?

I don't see the difference whether it's on the disc, on the disc and unlocked with a code, or fully downloadable.
It's content not included in the standard version of the game.

Like I said:
Mistake number 1 was some of it being region locked.
Mistake number 2 was screwing up the release of Spec II to NA.
Mistake number 3 was giving a free one to everyone in NA.
Mistake number 4 was giving another one away for free to everyone.

Aside from that I see no issue with it.

 

[Tornado]

I don't see the difference whether it's on the disc, on the disc and unlocked with a code, or fully downloadable.

I honestly don't know what to say to this. The difference is so obvious that you've either dug yourself in so deep that this discussion is moot, or you know the difference and are just screwing with me (at which point this discussion is moot).

 

[CSLACR]

I honestly don't know what to say to this. The difference is so obvious that you've either dug yourself in so deep that this discussion is moot, or you know the difference and are just screwing with me (at which point this discussion is moot).

If you can tell me why it matters to a consumer of the standard edition, I'm all ears.

 

[Tornado]

Because their $60 paid for the content too, as is the case for all Day One DLC. They just didn't get it because it was instead released as an exclusive to people who paid extra for special versions of the game.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm interested to see how they would sell a flash drive, keychain and model car as DLC, let alone all the crap that came with the SE.

Because that is the only way that the "we paid X amount more for the special version so the DLC should cost X amount more" argument makes any sense.

Exactly!!! How do any of you that say no justify other players paying such a high premium, when you know good and well that you didn't pay that much just for extra virtual cars. 10 dollars to 15 seems pretty fair to me. It also shows that they paid 60 dollars USD for the game and gave their contribution that they could afford, kept up with the game (which regular gamers wouldn't), went a year + without those cars that we drove around online and got to flaunt. I think with all that people should be able to get the cars they want.

Because their $60 paid for the content too, as is the case for all Day One DLC. They just didn't get it because it was instead released as an exclusive to people who paid extra for special versions of the game.

Which really wasn't special, just a couple material items given to those who bought it.

 

[CSLACR]

Because their $60 paid for the content too, as is the case for all Day One DLC. They just didn't get it because it was instead released as an exclusive to people who paid extra for special versions of the game.

No, the price for standard content is $60.
$60 did not include these cars.

You're thinking in physical terms. yes, it's physically on the disc, but why is it unreasonable for a company to release a "premium" package with extra content?
Why would the special editions coming with unique discs appease you more then the current setup?

Exactly!!! How do any of you that say no justify other players paying such a high premium, when you know good and well that you didn't pay that much just for extra virtual cars. 10 dollars to 15 seems pretty fair to me. It also shows that they paid 60 dollars USD for the game and gave their contribution that they could afford, kept up with the game (which regular gamers wouldn't), went a year + without those cars that we drove around online and got to flaunt. I think with all that people should be able to get the cars they want.

Because at the time of purchase, customers were lead to believe that the only way to ever acquire these cars, was to spend an extra $40-90 (not sure of exact pricing for SE, since it wasn't available in US)
Had everyone known it would later be available for a much cheaper price, sales would have been less.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No, the price for standard content is $60.
$60 did not include these cars.

You're thinking in physical terms. yes, it's physically on the disc, but why is it unreasonable for a company to release a "premium" package with extra content?
Why would the special editions coming with unique discs appease you more then the current setup?


Because at the time of purchase, customers were lead to believe that the only way to ever acquire these cars, was to spend an extra $40-90 (not sure of exact pricing for SE, since it wasn't available in US)

Yeah and to say that those who bought the game were honest to PD by selling their codes on ebay and amazon is just as wrong. Some people didn't have the luxury to pay for CE or SE, so they should be punished for that because of a few peopels elitists' view? So they're willing to pay a reasonable price for DLC now. Your point would make sense if all they were getting were those cars, but CE and SE buyers knew they were getting more than that for their money. Sorry but for the first time I disagree with you.

 

[CSLACR]

Yeah and to say that those who bought the game were honest to PD by selling their codes on ebay and amazon is just as wrong. Some people didn't have the luxury to pay for CE or SE, so they should be punished for that because of a few peopels elitists' view? So they're willing to pay a reasonable price for DLC now. Your point would make sense if all they were getting were those cars, but CE and SE buyers knew they were getting more than that for their money. Sorry but for the first time I disagree with you.

I don't find it an "elitist" point of view at all. I'm as far from an elitist as they come.

If you didn't have the money, that sucks, I feel empathy for you. I also didn't really have the money, and since the only thing I really wanted from the CE was the cars, I decided they weren't worth the cash.

Secondly, the actions of some people that bought the CE, etc, doesn't make it right for PD to go ahead and start selling pieces of something that was supposed to be exclusive.

Thirdly, I'm positive some people bought these editions for the cars, and nothing more. Sure, they had nick-knacks, but that's not what they bought it for. I know this because I was literally 4 days away from being one of them. I cancelled my CE on Friday, and ordered the regular game on Friday(same day) then got the game in the mail on Tuesday.

I'm not saying it should cost 40 or whatever the price difference because that's all that was included. I'm saying that price difference was said to be the amount needed to ever own these cars.
To turn around and sell the cars separately a year later for a much cheaper price is a slap in the face to those that forked a LOT of cash to PD to get them, based on PD's word.

If gaming companies start selling off special packages piece by piece, in any way, the special packages lose their value, and sales will decrease. people will just wait until they can get the part they want later on for less money.

It's unarguably a bad business practice, because it will hurt the revenue in the long run.
It's also dishonest, because they said this was the only way to get it.

The only way we can disagree is if we have different definitions of either "dishonest", or "only".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't find it an "elitist" point of view at all. I'm as far from an elitist as they come.

If you didn't have the money, that sucks, I feel empathy for you. I also didn't really have the money, and since the only thing I really wanted from the CE was the cars, I decided they weren't worth the cash.

Secondly, the actions of some people that bought the CE, etc, doesn't make it right for PD to go ahead and start selling pieces of something that was supposed to be exclusive.

Thirdly, I'm positive some people bought these editions for the cars, and nothing more. Sure, they had nick-knacks, but that's not what they bought it for. I know this because I was literally 4 days away from being one of them. I cancelled my CE on Friday, and ordered the regular game on Friday(same day) then got the game in the mail on Tuesday.

Well the thirdly contradicts your secondly part to an extent. So just because some people wished to buy the CE for cars others shouldn't get the DLC? I don't think that others wanting DLC shouldn't get it because people were gullible enough to go spend double the price just for a few extra cars. If people want to ignore the other content given to them by PD that's their agenda. However, I'm part of that massive group that bought CE for everything that was offered along with a good game as well (which ended up dissapointing).

I'm not saying it should cost 40 or whatever the price difference because that's all that was included. I'm saying that price difference was said to be the amount needed to ever own these cars.
To turn around and sell the cars separately a year later for a much cheaper price is a slap in the face to those that forked a LOT of cash to PD to get them, based on PD's word.

If you look at it black and white and ignore all the other stuff you received with the game then sure you paid that much. If you look at it from a rational and analytical stand point, you didn't pay just 40-60 dollars for the extra few cars in CE, you paid that much for the cars plus everyting else: Game, Stickers, Key chain, Diecast car, certificate of purchase as well as the cars. SE owners were given more because there were more items with the game.

If gaming companies start selling off special packages piece by piece, in any way, the special packages lose their value, and sales will decrease. people will just wait until they can get the part they want later on for less money.

Or they will just corrupt the game and find ways to obtain it which is probably worse. This has been done before in games that give out exclusive content and in the end it's bad for those who trade or play with that person. So maybe instead of exclusive virtual cars, they could just stick with virtual exclusive material items, and possibly give CE buyers exclusvie access to new content before regular buyers. Thus everyone wins.

It's unarguably a bad business practice, because it will hurt the revenue in the long run.
It's also dishonest, because they said this was the only way to get it.

how exactly?

The only way we can disagree is if we have different definitions of either "dishonest", or "only".

No, we can easily disagree due to differences on morality on this subject as an entire thing not a few word discrepancies you think we may have.

 

[CSLACR]

Well the thirdly contradicts your secondly part to an extent. So just because some people wished to buy the CE for cars others shouldn't get the DLC? I don't think that others wanting DLC shouldn't get it because people were gullible enough to go spend double the price just for a few extra cars. If people want to ignore the other content given to them by PD that's their agenda. However, I'm part of that massive group that bought CE for everything that was offered along with a good game as well (which ended up dissapointing).

Opinion on who's gullible is besides the point.
Opinion on what's important in the CE is also irrelevant.

If you look at it black and white and ignore all the other stuff you received with the game then sure you paid that much. If you look at it from a rational and analytical stand point, you didn't pay just 40-60 dollars for the extra few cars in CE, you paid that much for the cars plus everyting else: Game, Stickers, Key chain, Diecast car, certificate of purchase as well as the cars. SE owners were given more because there were more items with the game.

The game came with every copy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Irrelevant, but -
Listen to yourself.
Stickers - WTF?
Key chain - WTF?
Matchbox car - WTF?
Certificate of purchase - You know that's a fancy receipt, a serious WTF?

You're right though, irrelevant or not, only the gullible bought this pile of crap for $40. (no offense, but I can't believe you would spend that) :facepalm:

Or they will just corrupt the game and find ways to obtain it which is probably worse. This has been done before in games that give out exclusive content and in the end it's bad for those who trade or play with that person. So maybe instead of exclusive virtual cars, they could just stick with virtual exclusive material items, and possibly give CE buyers exclusvie access to new content before regular buyers. Thus everyone wins.

That could be fine, but that's not what they did, so it's irrelevant.

how exactly?

How exactly what? How was it said that was the only way to get the cars?

shutting out all others from a part or share

Very dishonest to later sell it at a discounted price.

not worthy of trust or belief

Surely you don't disagree?

No, we can easily disagree due to differences on morality on this subject as an entire thing not a few word discrepancies you think we may have.

Depends, are we "internet arguing", or discussing?

Fact: PD labelled it "exclusive".
Fact: Selling it as DLC now means it is not "exclusive".

If PD sells it as DLC, is will mean that the term "exclusive" was untrue.
"Temporarily exclusive" would fit the bill, but it's to late, PD didn't say that at the time of purchase.

 

[Tornado]

You're thinking in physical terms. yes, it's physically on the disc, but why is it unreasonable for a company to release a "premium" package with extra content?

And now I'm done. I can't believe that you of all people are arguing this viewpoint.

 

[amar212]

I have both Collector and Signature Editions and both Chrome and Stealth cars.

However, I would have literally NOTHING AGAINST that anyone can get them as some DLC.

Both Collector and Signature Editions have additional content worth of their extra price: Collector came with great Apex book, while contents of the Signature Editions are known to anyone.

Although I am not sure about such move ever taking place, having all my friends having those cars would be great because we'd finally get a chance to race them all online, which is more than enough reason for me to wish those models become available to everyone.

However, I can also foresee how some percentage of the C&S Editions would no be so *constructive* towards such move, so I presume it is very slippery territory.

Also, I really do not understand this poll above.

Why is author of the poll implying how owners of either C&S cars would have to "pay anything for new pack/set"? You already have those cars, why would you have to pay again? Also, from where have the crazy price of 15$ emerged?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Opinion on who's gullible is besides the point.
Opinion on what's important in the CE is also irrelevant.

Thirdly, I'm positive some people bought these editions for the cars, and nothing more.

^ That shows you think otherwise, just saying. Why say they're irrelevant to my argument when just prior you used the same game plan? That's a double standard, sorry. Also the opinions aren't irrelevant because that is the reason for this argument, it being ethical for consumer/company relations is an added bonus.

The game came with every copy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Irrelevant, but -
Listen to yourself.
Stickers - WTF?
Key chain - WTF?
Matchbox car - WTF?
Certificate of purchase - You know that's a fancy receipt, a serious WTF?

You're right though, irrelevant or not, only the gullible bought this pile of crap for $40. (no offense, but I can't believe you would spend that) :facepalm:

That could be fine, but that's not what they did, so it's irrelevant.

Well it wasn't a matchbox and the car retail would have ran for $30-$40 dollars maybe more just for being a PD product due to the fan base. And this is coming from a collector of model cars. SE came with more such as a wallet, and other things plus different regions had different cars, that's exclusivity as well. Once again how is this irrelevant? Also not sure what the WTFs are for.
Also that's not what who did?

How exactly what? How was it said that was the only way to get the cars?

Very dishonest to later sell it at a discounted price.

Surely you don't disagree?

It's not being sold at a discounted price, what do you not get about that. $10 or $15 dollars for those cars is fair, that means in total they paid $70-75 USD, while we paid $100 dollars USD for the extra cars + the physical items. I don't see how we're getting ripped off at all. What I do see - once again- is a extreme elitist point of view.

Depends, are we "internet arguing", or discussing?

What's internet arguing? I'm debating you, unless that falls under internet arguing, I'm sure there is a community college that teachs English 101 argument/debate close to you.
However, this bit of our conversation or exchange is irrelevant to the purest sense of the word.

Fact: PD labelled it "exclusive".
Fact: Selling it as DLC now means it is not "exclusive".

If PD sells it as DLC, is will mean that the term "exclusive" was untrue.
"Temporarily exclusive" would fit the bill, but it's to late, PD didn't say that at the time of purchase.

Link. That was the official tagline to the Collector edition selling point. So you're right but at the same time don't sell it off as if that was the only exclusive part to the purchase which you have done especially when you try to say it's irrelevant. The stealth shouldn't be exclusive at all the chromeline I'll debate you on.

Also, from where have the crazy price of 15$ emerged?

Not sure, someone made it up and me and others just went with it. I think even $15 is too much when you consider what the price of the book is worth, and the custom keychain along with the diecast car.

 

[CSLACR]

And now I'm done. I can't believe that you of all people are arguing this viewpoint.

That's fine, but you haven't addressed a single point I've made.

Fact: PD labelled it "exclusive".
Fact: Selling it as DLC now, means it is no longer "exclusive".

Either you're denying one of those as fact, or you're denying that it's not dishonest. Or you believe that "exclusive" carries a time frame.(without explanation beforehand) Or you agree with me.

Those are the only options.

If I were to pay for exclusive content, only for it to later become no longer exclusive, I would be rightfully upset, for being lied to. The poll shows I'm not alone in this regard.
We can have 10,000 people post in here saying "I bought it, but it's cool if they make it no longer exclusive", and that still won't change the fact it is dishonest.

Why is author of the poll implying how owners of either C&S cars would have to "pay anything for new pack/set"? You already have those cars, why would you have to pay again? Also, from where have the crazy price of 15$ emerged?

I have all these questions as well.

That was the official tagline to the Collector edition selling point. So you're right but at the same time don't sell it off as if that was the only exclusive part to the purchase which you have done especially when you try to say it's irrelevant. The stealth shouldn't be exclusive at all the chromeline I'll debate you on.

I know I'm right.
The rest is semantics.

I never said they were the only thing, I'd really prefer if you'd not put words in my fingers.
I said:

that price difference was said to be the amount needed to ever own these cars.

They were "exclusive" - We agree. We also agree on the definition of "exclusive", I presume.
So if they were truly "exclusive" to the pack, then how much money was said to be needed to spend in order to obtain those cars?
Not "but you got other stuff", or any other side details.

How much did PD say you would need to spend to have those exclusive cars?
Or a rephrase - "What did PD say you would need to buy to obtain those cars?

 

[Tornado]

Either you're denying one of those as fact, or you're denying that it's not dishonest. Or you believe that "exclusive" carries a time frame.(without explanation beforehand) Or you agree with me.

Or I recognize that including the Chromelines/Stealths in the first place was dishonest exactly like all unlock code, included-on-the-disc-because-it-was-developed-alongside-the-rest-of-the-game DLC is, and thus don't give a damn how dishonest it would be to allow other people to have them later on.