Red Bull Racing and F1 in GT5?

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Porsche has an exclusive contract with certain company's and wont sign it to other company's for there own reasons. It is the reason why we haven't had any Porsche cars in the past in GT. The only way to get the the car with out going through Porsche would be to go through Grand-Am. I'm kinda surprised Polyphony doesn't do this seeing as grand-am is owned by NASCAR. They already have the relationship with NASCAR and it would help expose the series to more fans and maybe help boost ticket sales to Grand-Am events. It would also benefit the GT community by giving us a Porsche 911 GT3 RSR race car along with the Porsche DP.

EDIT: Though because it is a race car they might be able to skip Porsche and get the license for it from Red Bull themselves. But im not to sure on that seeing as they didn't build the car they bought the chassis and they lease the engines from Porsche. that one im not sure how the licensing would work. They could possibly include the car and not list the engine manufacture.
 
PD could still put DTP cars in it. And they could cheat and change he Porsche engine to a RUF engine. :P I douibt they would, though. I wouldn't however, be surprised if they could get permission to use the Porsche name and engine for the DTP car. I mean, it's only the engine that belongs to Porsche. The body, I believe, is a Lola...which they've already got a Lola car or two in there.
 
NapoleonMikey
Porsche has an exclusive contract with certain company's and wont sign it to other company's for there own reasons. It is the reason why we haven't had any Porsche cars in the past in GT. The only way to get the the car with out going through Porsche would be to go through Grand-Am. I'm kinda surprised Polyphony doesn't do this seeing as grand-am is owned by NASCAR. They already have the relationship with NASCAR and it would help expose the series to more fans and maybe help boost ticket sales to Grand-Am events. It would also benefit the GT community by giving us a Porsche 911 GT3 RSR race car along with the Porsche DP.

EDIT: Though because it is a race car they might be able to skip Porsche and get the license for it from Red Bull themselves. But im not to sure on that seeing as they didn't build the car they bought the chassis and they lease the engines from Porsche. that one im not sure how the licensing would work. They could possibly include the car and not list the engine manufacture.
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I seriously doubt you have to go through porsche in order to get a license for any car withe porsche motor in it.
 
Of course they could simply license the chassis and go around having the motor in it (although DTP's brandish the motor company across the windscreen, so the car might not be accurately represented). I didn't say they couldn't still have the car in the game, I just imagine that it would be a more sensitive situation compared to licensing a car with a Lexus or Ford motor.

NapoleonMikey
... as grand-am is owned by NASCAR. They already have the relationship with NASCAR and it would help expose the series to more fans and maybe help boost ticket sales to Grand-Am events. It would also benefit the GT community by giving us a Porsche 911 GT3 RSR race car along with the Porsche DP.
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I assume that Grand-Am would have a different licensing director and agenda, but otherwise I agree that it would be a bit easier to get in the door since PD has the relationship with NASCAR. I would really rather see a few Daytona Prototypes modeled up instead of Nationwide cars (if I had to pick between the two).

Just a note too, the Grand-Am GT Porsches are GT3 Cups, not RSR's.
 
Iam surprised that PD even want to associated with red bull at the moment, RBR actions in F1 have resulted in a lot of fan resentment.
 
Conquerer
There have been many others too (fat American Stig, Environmentally Friendly Stig, etc.), but they're not official Stigs and are likely used just to eliminate bias in the competitions.



Black Stig was Perry McCarthy and he was killed off cause he revealed he was the Stig in his book. Last year a white Stig suit was found in Ben Collins' home and it's believed he is the current Stig.
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It depends Perry McCarthy wrote about it in his book, Ben Collins is the current regular Stig and will be racing with Ray Mallock Limited at this weekend's LMS Race.

Schumacher was the Stig because that FXX is one of his personal cars.

The Aston Martin Racing DBR-9 Le Mans winning car was driven by Darren Tuner for the lap around the Test Track.

The Stig in Africa is an African Rally Driver, I forgot his name.

I never found out who American Stig was

I know the Stig that drove the racing Lorrie was the owner of that Truck.

So the Stig varies but until recently (Series 15 Esp 3) Perry McCarthy had the lap record around the Test Track in the Suzuki.
 
Conquerer
Is there just about no way we could see the 2010 Red Bull in GT5? I know about the Codemasters license and everything and obviously PD couldn't make a full F1 game or anything like that, but is it possible the that 2010 car could appear in the game, licensed through Red Bull? I remember the McLaren-Mercedes car was in some Mercedes Racing game for Xbox several years back and I doubt they had the F1 license. If it's possible then I think the 2010 model really could be the F1 car we get here, especially with PD working so closely with Red Bull. If not, maybe the 2008 version.
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I see three possibilities:
1. a Red Bull F1 car from 2007, 2008 (like you saybecause of licensing not 2009, 2010)
2. a Red Bull F1 car from 2009, 2010 if they can get around the licensing by a special agreement with Red Bull
3. A Polyphony Digital F1 lookalike, which can technically be identical to the Red Bull car, maybe including the livery, but named differently than the actual F1 2010 car (again to work around the licenses)
 
MSH
I see three possibilities:
1. a Red Bull F1 car from 2007, 2008 (like you saybecause of licensing not 2009, 2010)
2. a Red Bull F1 car from 2009, 2010 if they can get around the licensing by a special agreement with Red Bull
3. A Polyphony Digital F1 lookalike, which can technically be identical to the Red Bull car, maybe including the livery, but named differently than the actual F1 2010 car (again to work around the licenses)
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Yeah, I was thinking about that last point earlier. Could just be the new Polyphony Formula Gran Turismo with a new design by Newey and Red Bull's livery. Would still be pretty cool.
 
javierk128
hi im new in this forum but i read often this page and other like elotrolado to have the best information about gt5, i just want to say hi to everybody here and i can't wait to november 2nd.

beside that. it's great to see red bull in asociation with yamauchi and GT5

see you
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Hi and welcome to the forum.
 
Snaeper
I, too, would love to see more Daytone Prototypes in Gran Turismo. I think they're a very exciting class of car that could easily fit into GT and let the rest of the world enjoy them.

The only problem with the Red Bull DTP is that it's powered by a Porsche Motor...
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A bit off topic but if PD does include a few DP cars, would a DP car beat an LMP2 or LMP1 car?
 
Sam48
A bit off topic but if PD does include a few DP cars, would a DP car beat an LMP2 or LMP1 car?
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It wouldn't even come close. The DP is more on par with the old LMGT1 class. Reaching its top speed around 180-190MPH, It doesn't come with as much down force as a LMP1 or LMP2 car but still more then the LMGT1 class.

The DP comes with 500HP and weigh about 2,250 pounds. the LMP2 Porsche RS Spyder produces anywhere from 440-510HP (depending on the season) but weighs only 1700 pounds. Then Corvette C6.R LMGT1 put out around 590HP but weight 2580 pounds. then the grand daddy of the all the Audi R10 LMP1 car, putting out 650 HP and weighing only 2,040 pounds.
 
Sam48
A bit off topic but if PD does include a few DP cars, would a DP car beat an LMP2 or LMP1 car?
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I would imagine the Daytona Prototypes would be most competitive with LMP2 class cars, if either class at all.

DP's use a much more cost-based formula, resulting in what is still a very fast and competitive car... but a type of competitive that relies on it racing itself instead of international sports cars. DP's also use a racing-modified Production-based engine, instead of an engine that's built almost entirely from the ground up for racing use. LMP Cars also extensively use Carbon Fiber, where the Daytona Prototypes use a steel-tube frame chassis almost like a NASCAR.

For comparison, the Porsche RS Spyder LMP2 Car, at the height of the allowed specs, made 503hp with a hand built naturally aspirated V8. It weighed only 1700 pounds eventually going up to 1820 pounds with rule changes.

DP's usually weigh around 2200+ pounds with a maximum limit of 500hp. They make less down force and are specifically designed to only be 3-5 seconds faster than the GT Cars, to keep the racing between both classes close and competitive. Fun fact, the Super GT GT300 Class Mooncraft Shiden is based off of (or around) the Daytona Prototype rules, which are allowed in the class.

The biggest difference between LMP and DP cars is the cost. You'll have a hard time spending under $20 million USD running a full season in any LMP car. Whereas a competitive Daytona Prototype can run a full season for around $750,000... that's including the price of buying the car.

EDIT: The Daytona Prototypes would make interesting racing against a Formula Le Mans car though. I was wondering why the ALMS changed the naming of their classes.... It turns out that LMP1 and 2 cars now race in the same class. GT2 Cars are now the only GT class with the Forumla Le Mans cars and Porsche GT3 Cup cars racing in Challenge classes.
 
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NapoleonMikey
Porsche has an exclusive contract with certain company's and wont sign it to other company's for there own reasons. It is the reason why we haven't had any Porsche cars in the past in GT. The only way to get the the car with out going through Porsche would be to go through Grand-Am. I'm kinda surprised Polyphony doesn't do this seeing as grand-am is owned by NASCAR. They already have the relationship with NASCAR and it would help expose the series to more fans and maybe help boost ticket sales to Grand-Am events. It would also benefit the GT community by giving us a Porsche 911 GT3 RSR race car along with the Porsche DP.

EDIT: Though because it is a race car they might be able to skip Porsche and get the license for it from Red Bull themselves. But im not to sure on that seeing as they didn't build the car they bought the chassis and they lease the engines from Porsche. that one im not sure how the licensing would work. They could possibly include the car and not list the engine manufacture.
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Actually, there are no Red Bull Sponsored DPs now. There hasn't been for the last three years as the 58 lost them after 2007 and now, Brumos Racing only has the 59 while the 58 has become the #9 for Action Express Motorsports. As far as getting a Porsche-Powered DP, simple: Call up Bill Riley and get his permission to include the Riley MK XX. You can even leave off the Porsche sticker and BAM!, Problem Solved:) The same can easily be done for the Dallara DP01, the Lola B08/70, the Coyote CC08 and the Crawford DP 08.



As far as the debate on the 2009/2010 F1 cars being in GT5, Lets not forget that at the time the cars have undergone a drastic rule change. There is also the possibility that Bernie Ecclestone has managed to get all the teams to sing an exclusivity rights to the cars and as such, thats why you don't see a F1 car from this year or last year in any console game that isn't licensed by F1. So at best, we'll get the Red Bull RB3 or the RB4, much like we got with the Ferrari F2007.


Aloha62_2
Iam surprised that PD even want to associated with red bull at the moment, RBR actions in F1 have resulted in a lot of fan resentment.
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They've been working together way before all the drama that began at Istanbul, they didn't just start.
 
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RACECAR
Actually, there are no Red Bull Sponsored DPs now. There hasn't been for the last three years as the 58 lost them after 2007 and now, Brumos Racing only has the 59 while the 58 has become the #9 for Action Express Motorsports. As far as getting a Porsche-Powered DP, simple: Call up Bill Riley and get his permission to include the Riley MK XX. You can even leave off the Porsche sticker and BAM!, Problem Solved:) The same can easily be done for the Dallara DP01, the Lola B08/70, the Coyote CC08 and the Crawford DP 08.



As far as the debate on the 2009/2010 F1 cars being in GT5, Lets not forget that at the time the cars have undergone a drastic rule change. There is also the possibility that Bernie Ecclestone has managed to get all the teams to sing an exclusivity rights to the cars and as such, that's why you don't see a F1 car from this year or last year in any console game that isn't licensed by F1. So at best, we'll get the Red Bull RB3 or the RB4, much like we got with the Ferrari F2007.
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Ok i should have just posted this earlier to end the debate on the 2009 2010 F1 cars but i forgot about it completly.

iRacing.com has the rights to include the 2009 AT&T Williams FW31 F1 car in there simulator.

http://www.iracing.com/news/williams-f1-and-iracing-announce-virtual-version-of-att-williams-fw31/

It is currently under development and is expected to be released at the begining of season 4 (basically the last quarter of the year). I belive this proves the fact that the F1 license does not give exclusive rights of the cars to codemasters. each team still owns the rights to the cars.

And Race car your right there isn't a Red Bull backed car in DP class (and I should have recognized that too seeing as I've been to the 24 hours of Daytona 2 years in a row now), but i do believe my post would work for any team in the Rolex series I was giving a hypothetical answer to sneaper and dave. on uncluding a Porsche engine DP car.
 
The RB3 was Newey's first design for Red Bull I believe, but Vettel was never in the car so his input would be rather meaningless...However....it doesn't say what Vettel actually contributed and it looks like he's helping with voice overs in some form based on E3.

I'm not getting my hopes up, but I still think there is a chance we could see the RB6 in the game or at least the RB5.

As for DP...NASCAR now owns Grand Am and the Rolex Series... We haven't heard much about what the extent of the partnership of PD and NASCAR means as far as what's coming to the game as far as series, cars other than current Cup cars and tracks....but... PD does already have a relationship with Grand Am and more importantly the Rolex Series because of NASCAR.
 
Vettel is helping PD with AI overtaking, so expect poor attempts despite a far faster car before crashing into you on the final lap.
 
NapoleonMikey
Ok i should have just posted this earlier to end the debate on the 2009 2010 F1 cars but i forgot about it completly.

iRacing.com has the rights to include the 2009 AT&T Williams FW31 F1 car in there simulator.

http://www.iracing.com/news/williams-f1-and-iracing-announce-virtual-version-of-att-williams-fw31/

It is currently under development and is expected to be released at the begining of season 4 (basically the last quarter of the year). I belive this proves the fact that the F1 license does not give exclusive rights of the cars to codemasters. each team still owns the rights to the cars.

And Race car your right there isn't a Red Bull backed car in DP class (and I should have recognized that too seeing as I've been to the 24 hours of Daytona 2 years in a row now), but i do believe my post would work for any team in the Rolex series I was giving a hypothetical answer to sneaper and dave. on uncluding a Porsche engine DP car.
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So the Williams car that is going to be in iRacing will not be in until after the 2010 season is over?

That is because Bernie owns the rights for the current and previous season. At the end of the 2010 season, the rights to the 2009 cars are no longer held by Bernie.

I did think it was strange iRacing had got the rights for an F1 car, when Bernie had already given the exclusive rights to Codemasters. That clears that up :)
 
Did you miss the race at Silverstone? Vettel put on a passing clinic at the end of the race!

If you're speaking of the Silverstone race and the final pass on Sutil. The Force India car is probably among the quickest cars in a straight line so the car is far from slow and Vettel changed tires on lap one so his rubber was trash by the end of the race and he still put on a fantastic show!
 
I think they will have RBR F1 car. In the E3 trailer they have also shown RBR F1 team HQ and Adrian Newey so that give some sign of their F1 car ?
 
A little bit off topic. I was thinking the PD Formula car looks more like an IRL car and since they are a spec series it would be easy to just make it pretty identical to it and with livery editor in GT5 we have an instant IRL series going.
 
gtracedriver
In the E3 trailer they have also shown RBR F1 team HQ and Adrian Newey so that give some sign of their F1 car ?
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No, Newey is an advisor at PD. They showed him to gain credibility. Having someone so renowned in the automotive world working on the game can do wonders.
 
Radracing
A little bit off topic. I was thinking the PD Formula car looks more like an IRL car and since they are a spec series it would be easy to just make it pretty identical to it and with livery editor in GT5 we have an instant IRL series going.
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I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering if they might do this with a few different types. There could be IRL, ALMS challenge series, and stuff like that.
 
Seismica
So the Williams car that is going to be in iRacing will not be in until after the 2010 season is over?

That is because Bernie owns the rights for the current and previous season. At the end of the 2010 season, the rights to the 2009 cars are no longer held by Bernie.

I did think it was strange iRacing had got the rights for an F1 car, when Bernie had already given the exclusive rights to Codemasters. That clears that up :)
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If that were the case they wouldnt have been alllowed to sign a deal until after the 2010 season was over. Also iRacing wouldnt be allowed to put out any work showing the car in development because that would break the "exclusive" rights codemasters has. But iRacing and Williams have already done both. Also iRacing originally wanted there car to bereleased before the British GP but the long development process meant that couldnt happen.

And after looking into what the exact exclusive rights the Formula One Management owns, It is only

The F1 FORMULA 1 logo, FORMULA 1, FORMULA ONE, F1 STORE, F1, GRAND PRIX, the logo of this site (being the official website of Formula 1TM), the Sweeping Curves logo and related logos are trademarks of Formula One Licensing BV, a Formula One Group Company. All rights reserved.
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From my understanding that is the only EXCLUSIVE content codemasters can hold seeing as that is the only exclusive rights the FOM holds. That means the teams still own rights to there cars.



EDIT: Also when Stupiod Liverpool released Formula One Championship Edition in 2006\2007 they had the Exclusive F1 rights. Yet BMW gave rFactor the rights to the F1.06 and F1.07 that same year to include in there simulator.

I stand by what I say that the official F1 licences only gives rights to all F1 logos and covers the right to include all teams and venues but those are not EXCLUSIVE.
 
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NapoleonMikey
Ok i should have just posted this earlier to end the debate on the 2009 2010 F1 cars but i forgot about it completly.

iRacing.com has the rights to include the 2009 AT&T Williams FW31 F1 car in there simulator.

http://www.iracing.com/news/williams-f1-and-iracing-announce-virtual-version-of-att-williams-fw31/

It is currently under development and is expected to be released at the begining of season 4 (basically the last quarter of the year). I belive this proves the fact that the F1 license does not give exclusive rights of the cars to codemasters. each team still owns the rights to the cars.
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Key words bolded right there. In other words (as Seismica has stated), The FIA hold the rights to the current season of cars so essentially, you won't see anyone with the 2009/2010 cars until 2011.
 
RACECAR
Key words bolded right there. In other words (as Seismica has stated), The FIA hold the rights to the current season of cars so essentially, you won't see anyone with the 2009/2010 cars until 2011.
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So since GT5 is coming in Q3 (technically), we won't see the 09' RB F1 Car in GT5. Fiscally, it's Q3, I believe.
 
Sam48
So since GT5 is coming in Q3 (technically), we won't see the 09' RB F1 Car in GT5. Fiscally, it's Q3, I believe.
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For the most part, yes. No RB5 or RB6. So again, the closest PD possibly could had gotten is the RB4 or RB3. Of course one funny thing I think they could do to get some Toro Rossos is just paint the RB cars in the same paint scheme, change the engine note and voila! STRS are now in the game :D
 
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JB Motorsports
The RB3 was Newey's first design for Red Bull I believe, but Vettel was never in the car so his input would be rather meaningless...However....it doesn't say what Vettel actually contributed and it looks like he's helping with voice overs in some form based on E3.
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wasn't the STR2 essentially a RB3 with a Ferrari engine?
 
Radracing
A little bit off topic. I was thinking the PD Formula car looks more like an IRL car and since they are a spec series it would be easy to just make it pretty identical to it and with livery editor in GT5 we have an instant IRL series going.
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The PD F1 car was more based off of the old 90's F1 cars, mid to late 90's. It has a 3 litre V12, with slick tires, fronts much smaller then the rears.
 

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