Spa-Francorchamps is Not in GT Sport (Yet) Because of Licensing Issues

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  1. Shinu

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    They had the track in previous instalments. There is a chance that it was just upgraded (or downgraded for gt5/6).
    Also there is a possibility that GTS was supposed to launch with SPA but the license lapsed.
     
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  2. Darla Starch

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    Is it because it's an American track?

    Not knocking your opinion, legit curious.
     
  3. TetsuKobura

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    Yeah, there's no reason to be knocking on American tracks right now when the only irl tracks in the americas region are either completely overused (interlagos) or downright horrible for racing due to no off track boundaries (Willow springs).
     
  4. Satomiblood

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    Pfft...
     
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  5. crooky369

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    The portable ones were free. The good old china ones you had to pay for.

    I’ve never had to pay for any toilets here in the UK during a sporting event. I’ve paid good money to come to x sporting event and it should be expected I can go to the loo without spending more money.
     
  6. sumbrownkid

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    Oh licensing fees?

    So this is why it's taking so long to get Grand Valley Speedway back. :p
     
  7. Tassie_tiger

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    It seems reasonable to not over-pay for an asset.
    And if this is the case then I have no issues.

    I've no doubt tracks like Spa and Silverstone will make it to the game.
    It's just a question of "when", not "if".
    So I don't mind the wait.
     
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  8. jaytmtb

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    Roll on more of the fictional tracks, to name a few see below
    • Rome Circuit.
    • Seattle Circuit.
    • Seattle Short Circuit.
    • Red Rock Valley Speedway
    • Grand Valley Speedway
    • Trial Mountain Circuit
    • Deep Forest Raceway
    • Grand Valley East
    • Special Stage Route 5
    • Clubman Stage Route 5
    • Autumn Ring Mini
    • Grindelwald
    • Test Course
    • Motor Sports Land
     
  9. Auditore

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    The GT brand is still the most famous virtual racing brand,license holders know that and take advantage of it.The licensing process for racing games seems to be a bit :censored: up.
     
  10. NevilleNobody

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    Um no. In my previous post i listed my wanted tracks and two were in the US, Road America (arguably the best track in the world) and Road Atlanta. Laguna is just legit rubbish.
     
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  11. RACECAR

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    I don't know the reason for Laguna Seca or Silverstone and I sure as hell am not pretending to so maybe you could not assume I'm some apologist by the tone of your post?

    All I am saying here is that, in the case of Spa, this appears to be the classic "Oh hey, its THOSE Guys. Let see if we can squeeze the hell of them for WAAAY more money"(An issue I've seen happen more often then you might think). I get that this game is severly light on content being on this site all the time (even though I still think there are major issues that need to be fixed instead of overshadowed by content), but to simply dismiss this as "BS" while ignoring many similar cases even outside of gaming is completely ignoring an issue that won't just affect this game, but possibly future ones (and whoever somehow sales a similarly successful selling game).


    Also, the Licensing jokes with fictional tracks can stop now. its Old. Again I get it: People are somehow more concerned about content in the game then its core system being fixed.
     
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  12. Auditore

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    i prefer more underrepresented tracks in videogames like Autopolis than SPA.
     
  13. zeptrans

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    Finally someone wants Tokyo R246 :cheers:

    Personally, best tracks are the fictional ones, Tokyo R246, Trial Mountain or Deep Forest.
     
  14. D-Max

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    What’s this?
     
  15. elston87

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    I'm quoting your post as a bump of sorts because all of the points you've made cannot be stressed enough. It's the best explanation in this thread in my opinion. If PoDi were to pay for whatever the asking license cost was for Spa, that's moneybags in the eyes of other license holders that are of PoDi's interest. I don't think that license holders are going to give a discount or make an exception called "but it's Gran Turismo" regardless of their affiliation with the FIA or not.
     
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  16. 05XR8

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    NO track todaaaaaay.
     
  17. O604

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    In my opinion this is how you get remembered in history as a jerk. It's happened many times with games and licensing in the past. No one ever sees the holdout positively.

    Years from now people will look back on this game and think, "why isn't Spa-Francorchamps in GT Sport? Oh yeah because they were jerks."

    Not saying it's right or wrong. It's just how we tend to remember things.
     
  18. TonyJZX

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    Remember the Porsche EA nonsense that lasted more than a decade? Jerks the lot of them.
     
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  19. I_Leak_Oil

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    Spa is good but not that good, they can keep it if they are trying to rip Sony off.

    What a shame if it’s finished after all the hard work.
     
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  20. I-Runner

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    Special Stage Route 5 linked to Special Stage Route 7 .. in order to have a decent Wangan .. (~ 27km/16.8 miles)

    IR
     
  21. I_Leak_Oil

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    Similar situation I think, so Slightly Mad slightly adjusted the track and called it Sakkito. Allegedly
     
  22. Moglet

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    It happens quite a bit, and it's terrifying every single time. I've seen studios go under because they did exactly this.
     
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  23. DJShadesUK

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    Pfff, tell me about it. But the less said about that the better! :lol:

    IIRC it was either GT 5 or 6 that cost $60m (or thereabouts) to produce (note that is total production cost - development, licencing & promotion - not just development of the engine and asset creation).
     
  24. Walter_Start

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    Well, i was aware of the licensing problems. Good to know that's the circuit is ready, but i'm fine with PD to not pay this abusive fee, and hope for a good resolution. But i think the "Spagate" rejoin a whole general atmosphere. Some Belgians Journalists have telling me that the whole situation of the belgian motorsport is a disaster.

    The direction of Spa-Francorchamps wanted to transform the circuit into a amusement park just like Nurburgring or Abu Dhabi. But even with F1 costs, the financial situation of the circuit is ok, they're not ruined at all. But the President of the track is trying to get as much as possible a state and regional funding to cover their expenses, but also private funding, just like the fee they wanted for the licence, only to not pay these changes with their own money. They're also reduce accessibility to the track, especially for photographers, with concrete walls all over the pit straight.

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    (the photos are from this tweet: )

    There's more. Spa President wanted to get World RX and Moto GP, and wanted to transform the circuit, but the FIM doesn't really wanted to go at Spa. Too Dangerous, even with the supposed changes. She also wanted to do some "VIP Tribunes", which in fact, replace the general attendance places. The RACB, the Belgian Motorsport Federation, is also in a bad situation. Their junior program is lead by nepotism and money, apparently. The winner is not the one who is the fastest, but the one who got the money from the parents or is the son of a famous name.

    But i think this will not continue like this. Many people doesn't like how Spa handle the whole situation, and the president is on an ejectable chair. The region Wallonie wanted his head on a silver plate for running the gentrification of the track. But let's get hope. They don't want more negative publicity and risking to isolate themselves like this.
     
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  25. Fosterions

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    Jeez. Really? I've almost always been in IT/Development but supporting a business, not as the core business function. Sure, there's always black ops development going on, but the scale is small of course and it gets approved before getting bigger. Always business approved before costing a pile of money and that means having business agreements. To do that sort of thing in a big studio is irresponsible, you're risking livelihoods. Fine if you're a small band of hot shots that thinks they're wonderful, but when you've got administration and support staff on as well, as you do in a bigger studio, playing loose with those people's jobs is gross and bad leadership.

    Huh. Interesting. When I wrote my novel on the previous page I did not know or consider there were such political implications.
     
  26. Dmac72

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    R246 was always one of my favourites. Many happy hours in Tom’s Supra round there. Being a public road it would be a relatively easy addition.
     
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  27. Walter_Start

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    Licensing problems is always political. Or just a marketing problem because sometimes, they didn't think about this. Just like Ferrari being a diva and doesn't want damage or unfavorable performance to their cars only because it's Ferrari.
     
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  28. Auditore

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    I always remember the infamous Kaz white porsche from GT3 being taken out of the.game last minute because it was at that time EA made the exclusive porsche deal.It was such a last minute decision that the car could be found in the game using gameshark.

    If game shark was.still a thing we probably would have already seen SPA in GT SPORT
     
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    RIP Gameshark. Press F to pay respects.
     
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  30. Conquerer

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    I assume it's the same issue with Silverstone since it's pretty well just as iconic of a track and would be a popular choice among fans. So if they could've given us Silverstone instead to keep us happy, I think they would've.