(Spin) Problem Handling Cars list

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 6' started by Gturbo5, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. Mr616

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    Staggered compounds? And your telling people to learn how to drive? I log in to see if anybody has more news about the handling oddities, and there's always someone saying "learn how to drive". Staggered compounds is not a fix.

    Thanks for all the test resuts posted. I'll try some tests over the next few days.
     
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  2. TwentyValve

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    has the Audi R8 LMS been mentioned? i see the R8 5.2L has been. the first race car i bought was the R8 cause i love MR cars. my favs to date ar rthe F40, Zonda R, LCC Rocket, and the Xbow. all MR cars. however when i attempted to drive the R8 LMS, the slow speed, off throttle over steer made it infuriating to drive. i did some tuning but it was still very bad. any one else experience this? i thought it would handle much better out of the box being a race car. am i wrong or does this car have some "issues"?
     
  3. mistersafeway

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    Issues, something about being a temperamental pig in real life apparently. :lol:
     
  4. Mr616

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    Check this thread https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/r8-lms-ultra-15th-anniv-tuning-woe.292663/page-3#post-9105583
     
  5. TwentyValve

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    thanks. glad to see i am not the only one. i know with more time tuning i could tame it but i don't want to put that much effort into that car. plus i use a Xbox 360 controller so it makes that car just that much more difficult.
     
  6. HBR-Roadhog

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    I guess you could add the 66 Beetle to that list. It took a while to tame that one.
     
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  7. Mr616

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    There are some tuning suggestions there that are very different. Hopefully you'll find something to make it more managable.
     
  8. mu22stang

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    Yep. You put the wrong tires on it.
     
  9. psavi

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    Yeah, after I posted, I learned about that bug here in the forum, because I would never find out this bug in the game since I don't care for aftermarket wheels.

    But, even so, that is a complete different problem. I actually see only the bright side of the bug as it means the new tire model seems to consider width.

    This thread is about cars that supposedly don't handle as they should. If the problem with the cars concerned is that people changed their wheels, then this thread is solved and we can move the discussion to the other one you linked.
     
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  10. Grayfox

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    Yes, they are stock.
     
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  11. Stotty

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    Says 'Learn to drive'... Then uses staggered tyres :lol:
     
  12. side_winder_9

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    I agree that mid engine cars, particularly ones with short wheel bases are very difficult to control and are very sensitive to lift over steer.

    I cant remember it being that hard to drive a stock AW11?

    The Stratos has the same issue as well. They aren't undrivable, but they are both very sensitive, particularly at corner entry.

    Im not sure if it is a glitch though. I would need to drive a real AW11 to see if they actually handle like that if you lift off the throttle during turn in on corner entry.
     
  13. MaDHaX

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    I think there is an issue with this car, I run afew laps then changed the tyre by going into the pits for a fresh pair. The fuel was also added so I left the pits in exactly the same way I did the first time. Strangely enough the handling felt much better. Give it ago and you'll notice what I mean. That lift off oversteer you mention at low speed turns is non existent with a fresh set of tyres from the pitstop.

    Looks like a bug of some sort to me, I hope PD looks into it.

    Also might I add here about cars you are driving with custom rims. If you are having problems driving, try the car in question with its original wheels. Please report back if you notice a change in the handling.

    I drive on wheel, not sure what people on pad experience but I deffinetly feel the difference in handling.
     
  14. Grayfox

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    I spin out in my V16T on the first left hand bend on le mans at the following speeds with 50% throttle.
    80Km/h with after market wheels
    100km/h stock wheels.

    and i turn in gently, i also have max rear downforce.
     
  15. akyp

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    Did a race with my Stratos AE. Apart from the twitchy handling, in replays the nosedive during braking was hilariously bad. So I bought fully-adjustable suspension, firmed up the fronts, added some rear camber and toe-in and tried again. I can actually trail-brake now. The nosedive still looks bad though.
     
  16. Ridox2JZGTE

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    I used the V16T - stock comfort soft in a race at Tsukuba and Autumn Ring, it's a handful but never spun :) I have to be smooth with the steering. I set brake balance at 9/2. What I noticed from high powered MR cars, I have to be very careful steering the car in mid corner and exit, usually the car have to be almost straight before applying full throttle.

    I just bought Lamborghini Diablo GT road car, changed oil, kept it stock power 600HP, except for the racing brakes and removed the rear wing :) Fitted comfort medium which I deemed close enough to road tires, maybe a 75% tread mid range performance summer tire :lol: I got low 1:40s in 1st warm up lap at Brands Hatch GP, the car is simply outstanding, faultless handling IMO - it demands more from the driver, precision and adaptability.

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  17. masonite

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    Bought an NA AW11 and took it in 100% stock form around tsukuba, using DS3 controller (couldn't be bothered setting up the G25). It's a handful, particularly on the final long corner coming onto the straight, but by no means broken. With a wheel it'd be easier to control, and definitely manageable and competitive in it's pp class.

    I chose it since I have own & drive one (close to stock) in real life - and the AW11 handles pretty similarly to the real life one. It's very susceptible to both snap oversteer and lift off oversteer, and understeer into corners. I've not spun it IRL (almost did when I first got it, not fun) but weight shift in the rear is noticeable even nowhere near the limit, and lift-off turn-in is massive (made worse by initial understeer), so I imagine driving at the limit would exacerbate those issues (and reports I've heard are that it is indeed a handful - browse MR2 forums and there's plenty of wreck stories where the snap-oversteer caught someone out). The rear end is also very hard to catch - the one time I almost lost it was at very low speed on cold roads, turned a corner and the rear stepped out - it simply keeps sliding past where you'd expect an FR car to stop, since momentum is working against you. Turned a 90 degree corner perfectly, but did so a lot faster than I intended...But I learned my lesson :) A good example of the snap oversteer of the MR2's can be seen in a recent season of Top Gear (19 I think?) Where the guys bought cars for rallycross, and James May chose an SW20. He lost it in one direction, tried to counter, and it snapped back into the wall or another car. It's a common trait of the MR2's. (Used to own an SW20 Turbo too :))

    It's definitely not broken in the game though - any MR car being driven close to the limit will be a handful, and trying to drive it like an FR car will result in spins and snap oversteer - I think that's the greater issue here. Any braking from high speed in anything other than a straight line, or trying to scrub speed through a corner like you would in a better behaved FR or particularly FF car *will* result in a large loss of stability.

    The general rule with the AW11 (and MR's in general) is that you take more speed out of the corner than you took going in - anything else and you're more likely to come out facing the wrong direction. And try not to break traction! Once the rear end starts to slide out you'll be spending more time trying to catch it than taking a fast line through the corner.
     
  18. LatinInferno

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    No way, the craps broken thiers no way with cars of that value will handle that terrible in real life with all thier fancy components etc. It's suppose to be a simulator game not get in a car with jallopy settings then go figure it out, ur telling me a stock $20 grand Fitz has better has better stability, braking powerer etc. then a Ferrari with it's fancy brakes acceleration aerodynamics etc. The stupid cars spin when you brake or excel think we have a case of defective cars & stimulator game here boys.
     
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  19. mistersafeway

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    Amazing really, faster cars are harder to drive, who knew? :rolleyes:
     
  20. Bo

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    @mistersafeway some fast MR cars, such as the Diablo GT that Ridox posted, are fine. Some, such as the FXX, are near lethal when bone stock. I am one of the first to pick out people who clearly can't drive well and blame it on the car, but I am going to say something here:

    The weight transfer in GT6 IS exaggerated somewhat. It may be the slightest of mis-calculations on PD's part, but it just tips some cars over the edge.
     
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  21. mistersafeway

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    I don't disagree with the possibility that some cars are too hard to drive, but a supercar built for driving fast is generally going to be a lot harder to control than an underpowered front wheel drive car for driving to the shops. Anyone who expects it to be the other way round in real life finds that out when their shiny new Ferrari eats hedge.
     
  22. sporkface69

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    Cant tell if serious?

    The fit is a frotwheel drive crapbox. Of course its going to be easier to drive than a midenginined italian supercar. You probably just arent good enough to drive it.
     
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  23. LatinInferno

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    Bro I can drive and bet I can smoke you all OVER any track, I just don't have the time to sit & tune half the cars in this game because of thier wacked out physics I have kids to attend to then sit all day and try to enjoy a game that his been stinking of late.

    I been with gt since day one, so I know how to drive chump, I own a 911, Ferrari,& a Super Bee with a Harley tricked out Street Glide, you just stick to your video games as guidance to driving real cars little know it all, boy I don't know if ur on dope or dawg food.
     
  24. Downhill Dino

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    So you challenge us (since you said "you all") and then say you won't follow up the challenge. Okay.

    Which 911 and Ferrari might I inquire? Proof is to be provided now since you've made a claim.

    On a side note, physics still feel perfectly fine for me.
     
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  25. colj00

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    LOL good one

    i found the minolta quite a handful with stock settings but drop the diff torque and acceleration sensitivity and its fine, you just get diff out instead of spin out....
     
  26. mistersafeway

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    :lol:
     
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  27. LatinInferno

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    LOL! Now u all want proof ? How funny soon as I take my daughter to Taekwondo class, then drop my son at basketball practice, thn grab my other daughter from piano lessons then I will oh wait then I have to cook dinner for them afterwards.

    Lets not forget I still got to figure this revers out settings crap tunes that is so unrealistic down first, but wait I forgot to mention I'll have go pick up my other two kids across town, get idea now kids? Time is of an essence would love to sit and play all day but family calls, & as for showing you what I drive in real life.... LoL, sorry Ling Dingle I wish I had more time.
     
  28. mistersafeway

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    Then don't bloody say it. :idea:
     
  29. LatinInferno

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    Really?.......im just saying how a cheap car can drive to it's specs, and a half million $ car can't yes I understand ur going faster etc. But for it to spin out by barely applying the brakes or accelerator 40 miles around a wide turn come on now......and to spin out when one accelerates on a straight line from 3rd to 4th gear really? Hell that sounds like a 2 dollar car to me.
     
  30. Downhill Dino

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    Well your ordeal with day-to-day struggles with time are pretty irrelevant, and I do hope you have the time to provide proof once you can. I mean really, something that would take maybe, 5 minutes?, out of your day would be a huge difficulty eh?

    What. I mean. What? I don't know if I should be offended or not.
     
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