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It does seem that Kaz has gone for "real" race wings rather than just picking out FNF stuff. A number of those huge spoilers can be seen on quite a few JGTC cars. However they do seem to be popular over there in Japan.

I just hope they don't ALL look like that.
 
Greyout
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That being said, the wing in that screen shot looks obscenely huge.

Hey that is Keith Edwards in the CRX....I sold him a set of wheels and race tires a couple of years ago....LOL, but I digress. I will use stock looking wings that enhance downforce, but not for asthetic reasons.

~Conemasher
 
PhatFat
Well what if the kid driving falls off a bridge on to a race track in the middle of the race. He wouldn't stand a chance without a huge wing.
That, of course, makes sense in some odd way or another (:
 
I want to have a beautiful aston martin vanquish. done in british racing green, with a MONSTER aluminum racing wing on it...and tuner stickers on the side...and neon lights under the car...and two BIG exhaust tips
 
TwinTurboJay
I want to have a beautiful aston martin vanquish. done in british racing green, with a MONSTER aluminum racing wing on it...and tuner stickers on the side...and neon lights under the car...and two BIG exhaust tips

I'll take the very same one - and beat you - cause mines got NAAAAAWWZZZZZZZ !
 
Oh my God :lol: Make sure you staple the bottom of your floor when you pump on the NAAAWWWZZ "BRO"
 
It doesnt matter what size the wing is, what matters is the chord length of the wing and the angle of attack it's being used at... Most of the 'tuner' wings available to the market these days do absolutely jack all... apart from give the drivers an ego boost (for what reason i dont know...)

Unless the plane of the wing is large enough to enable the correct boundary layer actions, the wing is simply a drag inducer, an air bulldozer, producing very little downforce for the drag it's generating....

From the sounds of it, they wings will be available on cars which have been fitted with them in Japan, not the US or Aust or UK, which realistically will mean they should be on high hp RW, MR and RR cars.

The intellectual which stated that wings only work in triple figures, you obviously have never watched any form of F1 racing, note the difficulty of drivers to turn into slow corners after they have ripped their front wings off.... monaco is the ultimate example my fiend...

I'll give you an example of a car designed to run up to about 80mph or 120kph, noting that it IS aero limited, but at 80 kph its already providing over 120 kg downforce on the rear wheels, which with this car, would make it an awesome car to drive around any mini track in the GT series...

Note: this is a slow speed wing, hence its size, but it follows many key principles used by aerodynamists to increase the power of the wings without going to large.. ps the entire wing assemblies weigh less than 12 kg, front and rear ...

mmmm carbon fibre honeycomb composites.....
 

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MacGillaZ
It doesnt matter what size the wing is, what matters is the chord length of the wing and the angle of attack it's being used at... Most of the 'tuner' wings available to the market these days do absolutely jack all... apart from give the drivers an ego boost (for what reason i dont know...)

Unless the plane of the wing is large enough to enable the correct boundary layer actions, the wing is simply a drag inducer, an air bulldozer, producing very little downforce for the drag it's generating....

From the sounds of it, they wings will be available on cars which have been fitted with them in Japan, not the US or Aust or UK, which realistically will mean they should be on high hp RW, MR and RR cars.

The intellectual which stated that wings only work in triple figures, you obviously have never watched any form of F1 racing, note the difficulty of drivers to turn into slow corners after they have ripped their front wings off.... monaco is the ultimate example my fiend...

I'll give you an example of a car designed to run up to about 80mph or 120kph, noting that it IS aero limited, but at 80 kph its already providing over 120 kg downforce on the rear wheels, which with this car, would make it an awesome car to drive around any mini track in the GT series...

Note: this is a slow speed wing, hence its size, but it follows many key principles used by aerodynamists to increase the power of the wings without going to large.. ps the entire wing assemblies weigh less than 12 kg, front and rear ...

mmmm carbon fibre honeycomb composites.....

the inclusion of wings, vincicated in a single post. Thank you.
 
WOW....wtf is that thing in your attachments thingy???? :eek: i swear that looks like about 6 or 7 different cars slapped together! now that is one MONSTER wing lol :scared: as for the civic and the CRX in the pic up the page some....i really hope the wind is working for that dude cuz its an eyesore :ouch:
 
MacGillaZ
Note: this is a slow speed wing, hence its size, but it follows many key principles used by aerodynamists to increase the power of the wings without going to large.. ps the entire wing assemblies weigh less than 12 kg, front and rear ...

mmmm carbon fibre honeycomb composites.....

A Pike's Peak Hill climber, no?
 
MacGillaZ
The intellectual which stated that wings only work in triple figures, you obviously have never watched any form of F1 racing, note the difficulty of drivers to turn into slow corners after they have ripped their front wings off.... monaco is the ultimate example my fiend...
True, but that's formula 1 aerodynamics, which is a whole lot more advanced than bolt-on wings.
 
Jows73
Could you provide a source for this information - I am so fed up with speculation and i want evidence!!!

Also it doesn't look much like GT to me - could be wroing just my opinion.

Its true. The info and pics are in the new issue of Hyper Playstation 2 magazine.
 
Sven
True, but that's formula 1 aerodynamics, which is a whole lot more advanced than bolt-on wings.

the f1's have so much downforce they can go race in a upside down track, really. i read somewhere it says that. capable of 3 G's turn...holy crap...
 
The car is the Monash Univeristy 2003 SAE racer, which was taken to SAE UK this year, its built by students from the engineering sector of the Uni.

more info can be found here, as well as links to many other teams around Aus and the rest of the world. www-personal.monash.edu.au/~fsae

In regards to F1 engineering to be so advanced, aerodynamics is not that advanced... The concepts and most of the calculations can be done by any senior high school student, its the size and tediousness of the calculations that gets annoying. Using FEMAP and other software, you can these days import AUTOCAD and UNIGRAPHICS models into them and then find out the actual characteristics of the wings, noting also you can find heat build up and stresses in the wing, but I digress....

The adaptation of undertrays and diffusers is a lot harder, as the need for rolling road testing due to ground effects, thats when things get interesting! Noting that most of the stuff has been banned in F1, and is now in use in INDYCAR and IRL, oh and teh new F2 support champ to F1.

Those last few wings look interesting, but again, they are more for looks than operation. look at the amount of height difference across the wing chord (front - back) it's no better than most of the others. The JGTC cars have BIG wings, they may look similar but as the car profile is completely different, the banana wing really is just for show. also notice on all racing wings, they have large end plates to keep teh flow going over teh wing, not separating, now look at most 'off-shelf' wings, end plates, what end plates? 2004 Subaru Rally car took the plate thing to the extreme on the rear wing....

Sorry for taking so much space, but yeah, realistically,I believe they only adding the wings to the game to make the cars look like tuner cars, but noting they, polyphony digital, would have access to data for race car wings, so as long as they include that with the 'looks' on the street cars...

And b4 someone pulls out their time sheets for their STi or EVO, or GTR with an adjustable rear wing, take a look at the thickness and construction of your cars wings., thick and long, just how their meant to be....

The number of Silvias, FTO's, R33's running around Melbourne with stupid wings RIVETED to the BOOT SKIN is scary, someone/something will be hurt at some stage, yet the cops only winge if they stick out further than the car, and if the endplates are too big.... go figure....

END of MACGILLAZ rant
 
I have an STi and I fully admit that it is rice-a-roni for show. It is not the WRC wing - it actually "buffets" when at speed, so I don't count on it for much if any downforce. It is also parallel to the ground and rounded on both top and bottom (not an upside-down airplane wing). The EVO is a different story - it is functional. Mine is functional for drag, 17 lbs of weight, and getting less MPG.
 
MacGillaZ
It doesnt matter what size the wing is

MacGillaz
Unless the plane of the wing is large enough

wtf?

actually, wing surface area does have a very large effect on the lift (or in the case of a car, downforce) created.

Lift (or downforce) created by a wing depends on surface area, angle between the chord line & relative wind (Angle of Attack, like you mentioned), the shape of the upper & lower camber, and the resulting mean camber. Drag & lift (or downforce) increase as angle of attack increases, until the wing stalls, then nearly no lift is produced.

In an automotive application, the downforce created also depends on how "clean" the air is that goes across the wing's surface. Generally, the higher up the wing, the cleaner the air will be. The height requirement depends on the shape of the cars roof & rear window, and its speed.
 
Greyout
wtf?

actually, wing surface area does have a very large effect on the lift (or in the case of a car, downforce) created.

Lift (or downforce) created by a wing depends on surface area, angle between the chord line & relative wind (Angle of Attack, like you mentioned), the shape of the upper & lower camber, and the resulting mean camber. Drag & lift (or downforce) increase as angle of attack increases, until the wing stalls, then nearly no lift is produced.

In an automotive application, the downforce created also depends on how "clean" the air is that goes across the wing's surface. Generally, the higher up the wing, the cleaner the air will be. The height requirement depends on the shape of the cars roof & rear window, and its speed.


I think you two are arguing the same point: your "surface area" is his "plane".

Needless to say, I don't think this one is achieving what either one of you are talking about:
 
Minnesota01R6
I have an STi and I fully admit that it is rice-a-roni for show. It is not the WRC wing - it actually "buffets" when at speed, so I don't count on it for much if any downforce. It is also parallel to the ground and rounded on both top and bottom (not an upside-down airplane wing). The EVO is a different story - it is functional. Mine is functional for drag, 17 lbs of weight, and getting less MPG.

ever consider removing it? There is a lightly modified STI running around here wingless - looks hot.
 
Greyout
ever consider removing it? There is a lightly modified STI running around here wingless - looks hot.


I would love to, but I get 7 holes in my trunk for the effort - I don't want to pay a couple hundred bucks for someone to bondo and respray my trunk.
 
Sven
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That's the funniest damn picture I've seen all year!

Twas for sale on Ebay some time ago... I think the reserve was in the 20K figure..
 
hmm, 20 grand eh...thats sounds like the kind of investment is right up my alley...I mean look at that exhaust ! it so big and shiny...must add like 200 hp, at least !
 
I need to add a skid spoilers to all my cars when i get GT 4!
I will need that down force when I put cargo on the skid!
 
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