Stega's Mega Cockpit of Doom!!!

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Asus VW246H

Well the price is right.. And seems to have everything I would need, including easy mounting. I will look around a bit and see what else is around. But for $700 I can get 3 of those 👍

I am getting very exited for the next few weeks here.

Thanks Latte that was a good find.

Would blacks show up better on an LED LCD screen?

I may be a bit confused about something. If you use a dvi to hdmi cable is the quality somewhat reduced??
 
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I would get this set since I already own the ASUS VK246H Black 24" with biult in web cam for the center monitor then get two of the ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" for the side monitors. Works pretty good with HDMI input and speakers or you can use the headphone jack built in too. What would be better thou is too get ones that are 3D capable monitors if the budget allows but I would find out first if only certain ones will work with the PS3 and GT5.

1 Qty= ASUS VK246H Black 24"
2 Qty= ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%2050001315%20600030619&IsNodeId=1&name=24%22
 
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What would be better thou is too get ones that are 3D capable monitors if the budget allows but I would find out first if only certain ones will work with the PS3 and GT5.

This is what I found on another forum relating to 3d monitors:

The answer is: No. No monitors currently released or in planning publicly are capable of 3D with a playstation 3 or external 3d blu-ray player or external 3d hdtv receiver. All of these require an HDMI 1.4a input which does not exist on any current or planned monitor. The only 3D that these monitors (the 120hz variety) are capable of is while attached to a PC by way of dual link DVI, using Nvidia 3D Vision glasses kits with video games, video files and blu-ray disc drives attached to the computer directly.

3D PS3 support cannot be added to these monitors. They just do not have the correct HDMI receiving chip inside to decode what it will be outputting. It will just show up as "No Signal" when attached to the HDMI port. The only feesible way this could ever happen is if some company designed an external HDMI 1.4a to dual-link DVI adapter for the PS3. Such a device would sell in such low numbers that it is unlikely to ever show up in reality.

I do not know how true that is but I am now looking for a 3d monitor with HDMI 1.4a
 
Stega,

You really should take your time and do a comparison search on monitors with the info I posted on the different LCD panels, a basic search will give you all the info you need to make a good decision with the options you want....Vesa, HDMI, HDCP ect...

HDMI 1.4a is ok to have if you have products that will make use of that format considering most manufactures still haven't made the jump to 1.3
 
Stega,

You really should take your time and do a comparison search on monitors with the info I posted on the different LCD panels, a basic search will give you all the info you need to make a good decision with the options you want....Vesa, HDMI, HDCP ect...

Yeah I am doing this right now...

This SAMSUNG P2450H looks to be a good buy next to the ASUS VE246H. Both have very similar features and price points.

SAMSUNG:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...-details.asp?EdpNo=5765912&csid=ITD&body=MAIN
ASUS:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6077847&CatId=4420

Still on the hunt... I find good and bad reviews for everything it seems lol
 
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A few things to clarify.


  • LED isn't really better than a classic LCD. It has a higher contrast, is thinner and the power consumption is lower.
  • IPS monitors are too expensive for gaming and the response rate is too slow, causing ghosting.
  • You won't see the difference between 5ms and 2ms. I believe that all panels with 8ms and lower are fine.
  • Acer and Samsung have really good and fast monitors.
  • TN panels are fast (ms) and cheaper but the viewing angles are worse.
  • The smaller full HD monitor you get, the crisper the image. I.e.: 1920x1080 on a 21 inch seems to be sharper than 1920x1080 on a 40 inch.
  • Standard monitors, while playing on pc, are always capable of creating a 3D stereoscopic image. You only need this free driver installed on your pc:
    http://www.iz3d.com/driver and instead of a shutter glasses, an anaglyph glasses. With these glasses, you can display 3D stereoscopic (DirectX 9.0c games) on a multi monitor display. I know because I've tested it with 2 monitors. Don't spend all that money on 3D ready monitors. You still need to put on glasses. So, instead of using expensive shutter glasses, use cheap anaglyph glasses. Both glasses can make you dizzy. And I believe that shutter glasses aren't that healthy. AFAIK, they can case epileptic seizures. I just google and found this:
    Will 3D Television Trigger Epileptic Seizures?
    Is the 3D effect a myth or a fact? The answer is it is both!

    This article is for sufferers of epilepsy AND also for non epileptics – the subject is important for everyone.

    The advent of 3D movies such as Avatar and the expected explosion of 3D Television is creating concerns in the community worldwide as to the effect of 3D viewing in “triggering” an epileptic seizure.

    In some cases these concerns are indeed valid, in others it is merely adding another myth to the mystery of epilepsy, particularly in the minds of those who are not epilepsy sufferers.

    As much as awareness of epilepsy and what it is, and more importantly what it is NOT, is growing in society through various information campaigns, the misguided stigmas attached to epileptics are still unfortunately prevalent in those who do not have epilepsy or are not close to someone who does.

    For those that are epileptics they are generally well aware that epilepsy has many forms (types) and seizures manifest themselves in many different ways.

    If you are concerned about 3D Television or 3D movies affecting your epilepsy then the main issue to be determined should be – do you have “Photosensitive Epilepsy” ?

    The following is a brief extract from Wikipedia explaining photosensitive epilepsy – there is much more specific information available however this should suffice to get across my message.

    “In some epileptics, flickering or flashing lights, such as strobe lights, can be responsible for the onset of a tonic clonic, absence, or myoclonic seizure. This condition is known as photosensitive epilepsy, and in some cases, the seizures can be triggered by activities that are harmless to others, such as watching television or playing video games, or by driving or riding during daylight along a road with spaced trees, thereby simulating the “flashing light” effect. Some people can suffer a seizure as a result of blinking one’s own eyes. Contrary to popular belief, this form of epilepsy is relatively uncommon, accounting for just 3% of all cases. In all other epileptics, such lights are no more capable of triggering a seizure than in a non-epileptic person.

    A routine part of the EEG test involves exposing the patient to flickering lights in order to attempt to induce a seizure, to determine if such lights may be triggering a seizure in the patient, and to be able to read the wavelengths when such a seizure occurs”.

    So in my opinion to confirm or obviate any concerns or fears you may have for yourself or loved ones about the trigger factor of viewing 3D Television or 3D movies it would be pertinent to confirm with your doctor, pediatrician or neurologist as to whether you or your loved ones do indeed suffer from PHOTOSENSITIVE epilepsy.

    There are many things that can trigger seizures in different people, one which is fairly common is STRESS – so eliminate the stress and worry you may have about the effects of 3D Television by simply consulting with your physician or primary carer.

    Why deprive yourself or your loved ones of the experience of 3D Television viewing just because of a maybe?

    If you do not have photosensitive epilepsy then the risks should be negligible.

    Many people without epilepsy will feel a bit funny, dizzy, experience headaches etc after watching a 3D movie, after all the transmission and the 3D glasses are playing tricks on your eyes and brain – so in epileptics feeling these sensations it does not necessarily mean the advent of a seizure.

    In summary, the only people who can tell you if 3D Television or movies will affect you is your doctor(s), so don’t listen to rumors or innuendo – enjoy the experience.

    If you happen to be in the approximate 3% of epileptics with photosensitive epilepsy then I feel for you, however again talk to your physician, maybe there is a way to offset the effects (some say taking an increased dose ( such an increase validated by your doctor) of anti-convulsants prior to and after watching 3D Television or 3D movies can be beneficial, however that is only hearsay.


    About the author.
    I am the father of a 23 year old daughter who was diagnosed with Complex Partial Seizures Epilepsy ( formerly known as Grand Mal) at the age of 6 months (initially mis-diagnosed as febrile seizures much to our dismay). I am not a medical practitioner however I have “practical” experience in living with, caring for and fighting for my daughter (who also has intellectual and physical disabilities) and in doing so have tried to keep up with what is happening in the field of epilepsy – research, medications and social awareness. Hopefully this short article is of some value to you.
    Article Source
    link: http://www.healthtips2u.com/articles/will-3d-television-trigger-epileptic-seizures/
  • GT5 will need shutter glasses and monitors with the proper refresh rate. So if GT5 needs monitors and shutter glasses, you probably are also able to use anaglyph glasses. In case of the latter, you don't need a 3D ready monitor or a 100 - 120 Hz monitor.
  • Refresh rate = 50, 60, 100 Hz
  • Response time is in milliseconds and is the time a pixel need to change from black to white or from black to black again. Now they commonly use the G2G term => grey to grey.
  • Input lag is also very important next to the response time, to play games without ghosting or image artifacts. Input lag refers to the time the image is send from the computor to the display. Don't confuse input lag with response time. Input lag can cause a delay in the interface of the inputs of e.g. a mouse/keyboard to the monitor.
So, if you want the best gaming experience, you need to find a monitor that has a very good panel technology, a high response time, at least 8ms and lower, and a high input lag, also not much higher than 10ms. And HDCP ready. Also try to find a monitor with a DisplayPort. I don't know the price for these monitors.

These are the most important features if you're looking to buy a monitor:

  1. Size of the display
  2. Brightness
  3. Viewing angle
  4. Response time
  5. Input lag
  6. Connections >> HDMI or the cheaper but better DisplayPort
If you don't believe all this crap, I'll try to fool you with other facts and stories. :p
 
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Forget 3D & Multiscreens with PS3 for now...

I keep an eye on several 3D news sites and can tell you their have been no announcements for a HDMI 1.4 Spec 3D Monitor/Display.
Yes it surprises me Samsung etc have not produced a 24"-26" 3DTV (thats a TV not monitor) for gamers but thats not to say within a year they wont appear.
The smallest available is a model from Phillips at 32" and is very expensive.

Also I cant confirm if its possible with multiple PS3/3DTVs to all sync to one pair of glasses. Multiple glasses work on one display but do all displays use the same repeated signal and can the glasses sync with more than one display at a time? Thats the problem!

So this may not be possible even if there was a 3DTV display in the size you wanted...

For PS3 AVOID HDMI-DVI
Some monitors will not work with this because of HDCP.
My older 22" Samsung models are an example, they used to but a firmware update over a year ago changed that.
 
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Also I cant confirm if its possible with multiple PS3/3DTVs to all sync to one pair of glasses. Multiple glasses work on one display but do all displays use the same repeated signal and can the glasses sync with more than one display at a time? Thats the problem!


For PS3 AVOID HDMI-DVI
Some monitors will not work with this because of HDCP.
My older 22" Samsung models are an example, they used to but a firmware update over a year ago changed that.

The multiple screens with glasses thing could be an issue w/ the small viewing angles of 3d screens.

Did not know that about DVI -> HDMI
 
Question for Kikie:

Most manufacturers don't show input lag in their spec sheets. How to you find out more about it then or is there a direct correlation between response time and input lag? Meaning if the monitors response time is faster will it also affect how fast the input lag is. Am I correct to assume this or not?
 
Forget 3D & Multiscreens with PS3 for now...
+1
I'm also waiting for GT5 to be released to know if it supports surround (visual) gaming

Also I cant confirm if its possible with multiple PS3/3DTVs to all sync to one pair of glasses. Multiple glasses work on one display but do all displays use the same repeated signal and can the glasses sync with more than one display at a time? Thats the problem!
I guess you're right as long as we don't know anything about 3D on the PS3. But doesn't the PS3 uses a nVidia graphics card? If so, could it not be possible that it is possible as nVidia makes it possible to game on multi monitors in 3D.
With anaglyph glasses, you don't have that problem. I tried on a 2 monitor setup with Superstars V8 next Challenge.

For PS3 AVOID HDMI-DVI
Why? I use to play GT4 on a multi monitor setup (see youtube clip above) and used HDMI to DVI without any problems. It were older Samsung 245B monitors. As long as the monitor is HDCP ready, there shouldn't be any problem at all, I think.

Question for Kikie:

Most manufacturers don't show input lag in their spec sheets. How to you find out more about it then or is there a direct correlation between response time and input lag? Meaning if the monitors response time is faster will it also affect how fast the input lag is. Am I correct to assume this or not?
I don't think there is a direct connection between input lag and response time.

You could ask the manufacturer.

stega: why don't you buy a VR glasses (head mounted display)?

You can have them for video and pc. The pc version are 3D and if you use a head tracking device, it can't be more realistic.
The 2 problems I see with these glasses is;


  • The VR glasses I used to have, covers up your eyes. You can't see your steering wheel, cockpit anymore
  • My personal view. You have a device on your head that produces a lot of EM radiation and electrical fields, unless you get one that runs on a battery.

http://www.vrealities.com/hmd.html
 
Watching the Sim racing tonight GT5 special the 3d really seems like it would be amazing even with one screen.



At about 30 mins in they talk about how it almost eliminates the need for triple screen.
I really gotta think about this one. I think 3 screens is still the way to go.

Samsung - 46" LED LCD 3DTV $1500 Not bad... But I have no Idea how good 3d would really be.
Thinking about it the $$$ I will spend on a triple screen setup is about the same for a single 3d setup. 3x ps3's and 3x monitors vs 1x ps3 and 1x 3d tv. Now I just need to decide what would be best for GT5.

Looks like my Clark Synthesis TT was just delivered to my place. Along with the neoprene isolators for the riser. More to come soon...
 
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I have the Cark unit on my desk at work now. The thing is heavier than I had imagined. I got the Prosound429 package if anyone is wondering. I need to buy some speaker wire on the way home. I should just try and match the wire gauge? The instructions say nothing about types of wires etc..

The peak limiter / amp interface comes with these speakon connectors can I hook the other end of the wires +/- red/black directly into the spreaker wire output on my monoblock amp??

Wow these speakon things are ****in so hard to deal with. I can't get the damn thing open to connect the speaker wire lol

I got it open but it took not joking about 15 mins to figure it out.
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And tracking says the frame part of my 8020 is here on Friday!! yay
 
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Thinking about it the $$$ I will spend on a triple screen setup is about the same for a single 3d setup. 3x ps3's and 3x monitors vs 1x ps3 and 1x 3d tv. Now I just need to decide what would be best for GT5.
As Mr Latte said before, it's not 100% confirmed. Wait untill GT5 is released before you buy all the extras.

Me personally, I'm for 99% sure that there will be multi monitor support.
 
As Mr Latte said before, it's not 100% confirmed. Wait untill GT5 is released before you buy all the extras.

Me personally, I'm for 99% sure that there will be multi monitor support.

Right well the two other ps3's come last if at all.
 
For Sean & Darin to make such a remark about 3DTV, oh hold on Sonys Bravia 3DTV at a show they got privledged invites too is them being astute and sensible from a marketing position.

Will 3DTV be good on PS3 yes damn right it will. So Im not saying they just were bumming and blowing..
Ive tested the few demos/games already briefly at my local TV Store and while it was a good 3D effect to average at times it isnt really a gameplay enchancing benifit (not yet) as much as it is eye candy and increased entertainment value.

Multiscreens is totally different as having a much wider viewing angle in a racing game can be a major benifit. Yes it also has increased entertainment value.
In simulation aspect its probably the greates thing possible.

Head Tracking yes is good addition for one screen but will always only show a single screen width at a time. The immersion from a single screen cannot match the experience that surround gaming produces its that simple.

GT5 in multiscreens will be better than FM3 if it is supported and I can tell you some reasons why.
The track detail and crowds are often very close to the side of the track and being closer produces a better sensation of speed and being part of the 3D world.
The car cockpits are much more superior over FM3 and in particular how the beautiful shadows in GT5 move across the full cockpit is greatly enchanced across all the screens.

GT5P doesnt work with Multiscreens but I have managed to simulate it in the best way GT5P will allow.

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More testing of this will be done in the Multiscreen thread over the weekend.
 
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Here is the platform/riser I have made for my cockpit. It is mounted on-top of 8 neoprene isolators. Sorry about the mess they are knocking my balcony down to re-pour the concrete.

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I have also just finished mounting the clark synthesis transducer to the bottom of my MOMO seat.
 
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Looks like Dexter is coiming to visit you, you even made a chopping board ready... :p

Nice pics Latte of the 3 screen setup 👍
 
Here is the platform/riser I have made for my cockpit. It is mounted on-top of 8 neoprene isolators. Sorry about the mess they are knocking my balcony down to re-pour the concrete.

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I have also just finished mounting the clark synthesis transducer to the bottom of my MOMO seat.
It seems that you took my advice on getting a piece of wood to mount everything on. :p
 
Ive never put so much interest in all that kind of debate of wich Tv setup woulb be best.

But ive never seen someone talking about the canopy screen by frex gp, looks awesome, and you got no black area between all three different screen, things ive never liked about triple screen setup. watch that video who gives you a pretty nice lookaround of this great but expensive product/setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocDMNX9KlY8&feature=player_embedded#!
 
Stega

I expect a report and comparison regards the Buttkicker/Clarke.
What price are the isolators?
Oh and one more thing, welcome to the world of d.i.y cockpits... 👍

A full report will be on its way sometime in the next 2 weeks. I need to get my 8020 stuff Friday/Monday and put it together before I can do a true test right now. I will also see if they compliment one another or if they are best used separately.

The neoprene isolators were $10 a piece. The medium rubber ones are $20 for 5.
 
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I would rather go with this than the canopy if budget was not a issue.

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and hopefully in 3D. Maybe in the near future they will come out with just a sheet of OLED screen and we can go as long as a 360 degrees. :crazy:
 
I would rather go with this than the canopy if budget was not a issue.

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and hopefully in 3D. Maybe in the near future they will come out with just a sheet of OLED screen and we can go as long as a 360 degrees. :crazy:

This one actually accepts a single hdmi input. Too bad the price is absolutely nuts. Not even close to other panoramic monitors.
$7k+
Doubt the ps3/xbox could handle the weird resolutions.
 
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So I am back in action w/ my new 8020 cockpit. SUPER DUPER THANK YOU TO NICK!!! I would not have been able to part it all out w/o his help and his design.

Now this cockpit should last me forever with its unlimited options for customization. I am very very pleased so far. Everything just seemed to fit together so nicely. I was even able to attach the isolators to the bottom of the frame using the t-nuts.

I am still awaiting some more pieces in the mail coming early next week Tuesday-Wednesday. But the design will not change much, essentially there are 2 rails running the length of the cockpit right now, I am instead getting one long rail for the whole rig.

Some pics (more to come...)
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I hope install my clark TT tomorrow and give it a go! And get the MDF for the 8020 frame.
 
Steven, it looks great! It seemed like you put it together pretty qiuck. the 8020 stuff is definitely awesome--so modular.

But, because of your seat width, it looks like the bottom main cross-member is a smidge too long, which we assumed would be the case. Trim that piece down so that the whole rig is squared up. Any shop with a basic chop saw can trim it in 10 seconds. OR, tell me the exact width of the rails under the seat and I'll send you a new piece the correct width.

Also, since you are not going to overlap the the pedal rails and seat rails, ie, you are going to use one rail on each side the entire length, then you don't need to use the right and left hand corner brackets at the bottom of the steering posts. That's why I sent you those basic 4 hole L-brackets. Use those instead. You don't need those corner brackets sticking out.

Otherwise, great job! Looks like you're having a lot of fun with it.
 
I wonder if it's possible to have the wheel bracket slanted so that it is easier to get in and out but still be stable enough.
 
I wonder if it's possible to have the wheel bracket slanted so that it is easier to get in and out but still be stable enough.

It is slant-able... Also my seat is like all the way forward in that pic, it easily slides back with the 8020 "sliders" on the rails...

Nick are you sure it's off center?? I just played around with it a bit and now it looks to be balanced. I did not have everything tightened. I just took a new pic... Still w/ my ****** mac book cam tho ;(
Measuring the front and then the back it looks to be 18 -12/16'' on the back and 19'' on the front.
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More tips: don't get Home Depot to cut the MDF at the 16" width like the plans tell you because the whole rig is narrower than the one in the plans.

Just take the bottom cross-member out and make everything 90 degrees, the bottom rails not tilted in, the steering posts dead vertical, and this is personal preference, but I really think you should turn those seat side mounts around so that they are as designed and it looks much cleaner to hide those bottom bolts.

Then measure the distance between the rails and that is your new width for the pedal plate and steering plate. So, where ever it says 16 on the plans, change that to the new number. Do you understand all that?

Remeber to use one of the 8020 joining plates as a guide to drill your holes in the MDF. It makes it 10 times easier, and the holes will be in the exact right place.
 
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