Tesla Model S- P100D confirmed

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Neat, but I can already see people accidentally hitting the wrong button on the key fob and the car parking itself towards the wrong way than intended.
Or if it's anything like the new 7-series I drove a while back, it'll decide the garage is too narrow and refuse to move. Didn't try it in full auto mode but it did automatically jam the brakes on when it thought the car was too wide for the entrance.

The summoning thing is quite cool though. Definitely useful over shorter trips sometimes. I'd be intrigued to see whether Musk's LA to NYC function would be more or less energy-intensive than simply hopping on a plane and getting your car to collect you from the airport, however...
 
I was curious about how much Teslas went for in the Uk and found this.

It a shame how much more we pay for EV's here in the UK, especially US imported ones. The Vauxhall Ampera was a total flop because of this. 5K more...and 10K more if you didn't take the gov subsidy into account!
 
I took my brother in law to pick up his new Tesla on Christmas Eve... P90D in white, black interior, dark grey 21's, all extras except for the premium sound system.

Picked it up, dropped my car back at home, then drove back to his place.... 125 miles, a mix of motorway and country roads.

The obvious bit 1st... It really is hilariously fast... the acceleration from standstill is, as the mode suggests, insane. Slams you back in the seat with just a tiny bit of wheelspin from the rear tyres... the roads were very wet, and the rears momentarily spun when stamping on the throttle at 20mph. It's the fastest accelerating road car to 100ish I've ever been in. Has the potential to get a bit quicker too as Tesla are adding a 'launch mode' via software update in the near future.

From the passenger seat, it feels a lot like a Panamera... big, wide, quite heavy, reasonably compliant, but with an underlying solidity to the suspension. Very little roll, with strong turn in and grip (relative to the poor road conditions).

I like the interior. It's nothing like as luxurious as a S Class or 7 Series, particularly in the back, but the design does feel in keeping with the car. It feels quite 'techy'; the materials are decent, but the design is minimal, with the MASSIVE screen dominating the dash. His car has the 2nd gen seats, which are comfy and supportive, but soft and squishy they aren't, so you sit on them, rather than in them.

With regards to price... the list on this car was c.£112k, with a £5k government refund off that... so expensive compared to other cars of its size. But for my BIL (and his business partner - they bought 2) they make great sense when bought through their company as they get full Corporation tax write down in year 1 and there's no company car tax (which would be c.£1k/month on a £100k petrol/diesel).
 
My problem is for the money I wouldn't be able to stop myself getting an M5. I know a Tesla fuels motor accelerates faster and is cheaper to run. But an M5 is cheaper and I think I'd enjoy it more.

What does your brother do Stotty and what other cars does he have?
 
particularly in the back
The one thing I can say about the Model S from the brief experience I had in one little over a year ago, is that it certainly wasn't made with the people sitting on the back seat in mind. I only spent the time that it takes to drive one around a block in the back, but despite the fact the rear legroom wasn't completely terrible, the headroom was pathetic, and I'm not excatly what could be considered a tall person. In general it was something compareable to a VW Golf MK5 rather than the other luxury saloons available.

They do have a great amount of space in the front though, which is probably due to them deliberately sacraficing some of the rear space in favor of making the front feel more spacious.
 
My problem is for the money I wouldn't be able to stop myself getting an M5. I know a Tesla fuels motor accelerates faster and is cheaper to run. But an M5 is cheaper and I think I'd enjoy it more.

What does your brother do Stotty and what other cars does he have?

He's one of 2 partners who own a software & software services company. He also has a 2015 X5 (his wife's car). Before the Tesla he had a 640d. He's been to look at Huracan's a couple of times and I think he'll get a spyder in the next year or so.

Personally, the Tesla isn't my sort of thing. It's a big, super fast saloon car, and I just don't see the point of them once the novelty of the acceleration wears off... if I wanted something fast, I'd buy a proper sports car, if I wanted something to carry 5 people, I'd buy a Range Rover. But he's always been an 'early adopter', and as I said, the Tesla makes a lot of sense as a company purchase.

The one thing I can say about the Model S from the brief experience I had in one little over a year ago, is that it certainly wasn't made with the people sitting on the back seat in mind. I only spent the time that it takes to drive one around a block in the back, but despite the fact the rear legroom wasn't completely terrible, the headroom was pathetic, and I'm not excatly what could be considered a tall person. In general it was something compareable to a VW Golf MK5 rather than the other luxury saloons available.

They do have a great amount of space in the front though, which is probably due to them deliberately sacraficing some of the rear space in favor of making the front feel more spacious.

I'm 6'3"... leg room was fine, even when I set the front seat for me and sat behind it... but my head was jammed against the roof in the back :lol:

Not much of a problem for him as he has 2 boys (12 & 7), and they fit without any problems!
 
I'm 6'3"... leg room was fine, even when I set the front seat for me and sat behind it... but my head was jammed against the roof in the back :lol:

Not much of a problem for him as he has 2 boys (12 & 7), and they fit without any problems!
I'm just feeling sorry for those who sit in the back of a Model S taxi at the airport and have to sit in a very uncomfortable position all the way to the hotel due to the lack of any real headroom. What a way to start a holiday.
 
I'm just feeling sorry for those who sit in the back of a Model S taxi at the airport and have to sit in a very uncomfortable position all the way to the hotel due to the lack of any real headroom. What a way to start a holiday.

I think this is a Nordics specific issue - I see a lot of Tesla taxis when I travel to Oslo, and I've been told it's because of the massive tax breaks for EV's over there... the same concessions don't seem to be available across the rest of Europe as I never see Tesla taxi's in London/UK or when I travel to Geneva/Paris/various Germany & Spanish cities.
 
I think this is a Nordics specific issue - I see a lot of Tesla taxis when I travel to Oslo, and I've been told it's because of the massive tax breaks for EV's over there... the same concessions don't seem to be available across the rest of Europe as I never see Tesla taxi's in London/UK or when I travel to Geneva/Paris/various Germany & Spanish cities.
As of 2016, an electric car will be tax free in Belgium as well. I mean road tax and registration tax.
 
I think this is a Nordics specific issue - I see a lot of Tesla taxis when I travel to Oslo, and I've been told it's because of the massive tax breaks for EV's over there... the same concessions don't seem to be available across the rest of Europe as I never see Tesla taxi's in London/UK or when I travel to Geneva/Paris/various Germany & Spanish cities.
From what I've heard there are some in the Netherlands as well, but despite some taxi services have bought Teslas to a certain extend in other European countries, they're still fairly uncommon pretty much everywhere but Norway. You're still much more likely to end up in an E-Class or a Volvo both here and in Sweden.
 
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I'm not sure I'd like to own one, but as with the 911 Turbo, I'd just love to experience the acceleration.
The acceleration in the Model S is... weird. Very, very fast, but because it's near-silent it also feels quite undramatic. But I've got some quite unusual baselines for comparison.

Probably the fastest I've ever accelerated was as a passenger in a McLaren P1 GTR. That was so fast that my brain didn't even really compute it - it was hugely dramatic, but we were already slowing down before I'd registered the assault on my body.

Then there's the Nissan GT-R. Mega traction, lots of noise. Feels every bit as fast as the 0-60 figures say.

The P85D I drove is very similar on-paper, but a bit like the McLaren (probably more so as I was driving, rather than a passenger) it was almost too quick to register. Green light, bang my foot to the stop, then lift off again only a few seconds later to avoid breaking the speed limit. But absolutely no traction loss whatsoever (less even than the GT-R, which stepped sideways with the torque) and as good as zero noise. It's basically like someone clapping their hands and you being immediately up to your chosen speed.

While I don't quite agree with @Stotty's stance on fast saloons - I find the duality quite appealing in general, and the novelty of driving things like Range Rovers wears off a lot quicker for me - I do agree that the novelty of the acceleration itself would diminish pretty quick unless you're easily amused. Your body gets used to accelerative forces quite quickly. It sounds daft, but even stuff with 400-odd horses feels quite sensible for me now. Your body doesn't take much of a battering and your mind can process the rate at which scenery is going past without too much difficulty.

Though Andy Wallace once told me that he could drive a Veyron for the rest of his life and never tire of its acceleration, so perhaps once you have enough horses the drama never goes away...
 
Great post, thanks for the response. I drive a 123hp Astra and the wife's puny 1.2 Corsa, I'm sure 400bhp would feel like warp speed to me on first acquaintance.
 
I guess it's better that it goes super slow just encase if someone runs out in front of it when it's being summoned. Really only useful for line of sight calling, I wouldn't want to summon it out of sight even if it's close by.
 
Summon feature doesn't make the car pull out of a parking spot, only makes it go forward or reverse. It doesn't make turns around corners, it only makes small steering movements to not hit things.
 
Summon feature doesn't make the car pull out of a parking spot, only makes it go forward or reverse. It doesn't make turns around corners, it only makes small steering movements to not hit things.
What sort of a real life situation would require that? It just makes no sense, unless you have parked in a direct line from where you stand and find walking a short distance too difficult.
 
What sort of a real life situation would require that? It just makes no sense, unless you have parked in a direct line from where you stand and find walking a short distance too difficult.
Could be effective for people who have movement disabilities or issues, but most likely it'll probably be used when other people get too damn lazy to walk to their car.
 
Let's not forget that this is just the first beta release of the feature. Over time it may do exactly what people expect of it.
 
Video of the summon feature in action. Only thing I notice is that it's really slow.



That guy's not in Miami. In Miami, your car would never get there. It's so slow that everyone would be walking or driving around it, and it would stop so it wouldn't hit or kill anyone.
 
Could be effective for people who have movement disabilities or issues, but most likely it'll probably be used when other people get too damn lazy to walk to their car.

Or can't reach the doors because some sod failed to leave enough space. The same can apply to tight garage parking.
 
It's basically like someone clapping their hands and you being immediately up to your chosen speed.

Spot on in regard to the Tesla 👍

I driven, and been drive in, some properly fast cars over the years, but the Tesla is different. Launch control in a 997 Turbo S for example, gives a similar set of numbers to the P90D, but in the 997 you have more aural reference points - the engine building revs before the launch, the revs rising as the 'clutch' engages and then the gear changes. In the Tesla you have silence then you have launch with just a bit of road noise.

While I don't quite agree with @Stotty's stance on fast saloons - I find the duality quite appealing in general, and the novelty of driving things like Range Rovers wears off a lot quicker for me

I think it's an age thing :lol:

When I was in my 20's I'd have had the M5. Now I'm in my 40's I value comfort much more highly.
 
Spot on in regard to the Tesla 👍

I driven, and been drive in, some properly fast cars over the years, but the Tesla is different. Launch control in a 997 Turbo S for example, gives a similar set of numbers to the P90D, but in the 997 you have more aural reference points - the engine building revs before the launch, the revs rising as the 'clutch' engages and then the gear changes. In the Tesla you have silence then you have launch with just a bit of road noise.
I think it's the rate of acceleration too. Combustion engine stuff gives you an initial torque and noise hit when you first take off, then a building rate of momentum and noise in the first few gears that adds to the drama. In the Tesla there's no great shock through the drivetrain at launch, just an incredibly rapid rate of acceleration that tails off in a linear fashion the faster you go, signalled only by increasing wind noise.

It's definitely an experience I'd urge anyone to try at least once. Particularly those who still think electric stuff is boring. Although the sensation of acceleration would probably wear off eventually, I'm not sure the surprise that it accelerates with so little histrionics would.

For me at least, there's something hugely appealing about going so quickly without antisocial levels of noise to accompany it. Rightly or wrongly, making lots of noise as you go fast makes you look a bit of a bellend. Unless you're on a race track, when the inverse is true.
I think it's an age thing :lol:

When I was in my 20's I'd have had the M5. Now I'm in my 40's I value comfort much more highly.
I went through a brief phase of liking SUVs, but it's rapidly passed. And in most cases, I've found saloons to ride better than SUVs anyway since they aren't fighting the laws of physics quite as much. Easier to get the springing and damping of a low-slung car right than it is trying to simultaneously make an SUV both comfortable and not prone to falling over...
 
I went through a brief phase of liking SUVs, but it's rapidly passed. And in most cases, I've found saloons to ride better than SUVs anyway since they aren't fighting the laws of physics quite as much. Easier to get the springing and damping of a low-slung car right than it is trying to simultaneously make an SUV both comfortable and not prone to falling over...

I need something big enough to take gold clubs and leccy trolley or all my fishing gear, so when I give up my company car later this year I'll be looking at both big wagons and full size SUV's... what I get will depend more on the deal than anything else as I'll still have the old 996 for fun :)
 
That guy's not in Miami. In Miami, your car would never get there. It's so slow that everyone would be walking or driving around it, and it would stop so it wouldn't hit or kill anyone.

Someone would have put a ramp in front of it going into a trailer and then stolen it.
 
No matter how many times I see this car, I just can't help but be awe-struck at its loveliness. I saw one in silver earlier today while it was raining here in the Houston area. I just love the Model S- just a gorgeous car all around with fascinating levels of performance.

It was not too long ago I saw body kits for the Model S as well as the Saleen GTX. To those, I can only say... no. I'd prefer the Model S as it is. At times, I still imagine a racing version of the Model S if ever one materialized. Like if there was a touring car of the Model S or a real good GT-style Model S. Anyhow... love the Model S!
 
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